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Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-20 by synth.junkie

Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
thanks

Re: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-20 by WT

I think we get the message by now......this is message number six.

Maybe you don\ufffdt get any replies via the list ? Check your spamfilter.

As for the problem I have no clue to what it could be but since it doesn\ufffdt 
get better with swapping chips I\ufffdd say the problem is either before or 
after. Maybe D/A or outputamp.

WT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "synth.junkie" <friends-inmyhead@...>
To: <emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help


> Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did 
> not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on 
> the same voice.
> I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the 
> other outputs/voices are ok.
> I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is 
> still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
> Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
> thanks
>
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Re: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-20 by Mike de Vries

Sheesh... whats with the 8 posts?
 
First thing I'd try is to "re-seat" the IC's.. this involves 'gently' slightly removing the IC's (With a small screw driver prying each end of the IC).. then pushing them back in.
Don't completely take out the IC's, just move them out about 1mm, then push them back in.
 
Your fault could be the result of a poor connection between the IC and it's mount.. (It seems EII's are notorious for this... it happened to mine)
 
If this does not fix the fault, it could be the result of a faulty op-amp etc.. hard to know exactly, so a tech might be needed.
 
Be careful, inside the EII are lethal voltages, so make sure it is unplugged when you are working on it.
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
Regards
 
Mike
 
Regards
 
Mike
 


--- On Mon, 20/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...> wrote:


From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...>
Subject: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 11:14 PM


  



Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
thanks

















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Re: Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-21 by synth.junkie

Sorry about the extra posts, I was having difficulties with my pc and didn't think they went through.
Anyway, I have reseated all the IC's on the output board.
I even went as far as swapping over all the IC's for voice 1 on the output board except for the D/A Converter and 1 of the logic IC.
Can the digital board on the right side cause this problem, i will probably try to re-seat those ic's also.
Regards
Rob

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, Mike de Vries <mrjdevries@...> wrote:
>
> Sheesh... whats with the 8 posts?
>  
> First thing I'd try is to "re-seat" the IC's.. this involves 'gently' slightly removing the IC's (With a small screw driver prying each end of the IC).. then pushing them back in.
> Don't completely take out the IC's, just move them out about 1mm, then push them back in.
>  
> Your fault could be the result of a poor connection between the IC and it's mount.. (It seems EII's are notorious for this... it happened to mine)
>  
> If this does not fix the fault, it could be the result of a faulty op-amp etc.. hard to know exactly, so a tech might be needed.
>  
> Be careful, inside the EII are lethal voltages, so make sure it is unplugged when you are working on it.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Mike
>  
> Regards
>  
> Mike
>  
> Regards
>  
> Mike
>  
> Regards
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> Mike
>  
> Regards
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> Mike
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> Regards
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> Mike
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> --- On Mon, 20/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...> wrote:
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> From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...>
> Subject: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
> To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 11:14 PM
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>   
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> 
> 
> Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
> I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
> I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
> Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
> thanks
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Re: Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-21 by George

Hi Rob,

It sounds like the same problem I had with mine. Mine played the faulty channel back very low in volume and distorted. I also had tried everything you did so far without any results. Swapped/ reseated chips on both - analog and digital boards. At some point I gave up and brought it to a tech. It turned out to be an open circuit due to a bad solder joint on a chip. I don't know how tech savvy you are, but if you search the posted messages for "Dead Voice" you will see my posts and all the helpful tips I received from the wonderful people in this forum. There might be some useful info in there for you. Like Mike already said, be super careful when working on the EII as the power supply holds lethal charges even long after being unplugged. If in doubt bring it to a tech.

Where are you located? Maybe I can link you up with my tech...

Cheers
George



--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "synth.junkie" <friends-inmyhead@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry about the extra posts, I was having difficulties with my pc and didn't think they went through.
> Anyway, I have reseated all the IC's on the output board.
> I even went as far as swapping over all the IC's for voice 1 on the output board except for the D/A Converter and 1 of the logic IC.
> Can the digital board on the right side cause this problem, i will probably try to re-seat those ic's also.
> Regards
> Rob
> 
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, Mike de Vries <mrjdevries@> wrote:
> >
> > Sheesh... whats with the 8 posts?
> >  
> > First thing I'd try is to "re-seat" the IC's.. this involves 'gently' slightly removing the IC's (With a small screw driver prying each end of the IC).. then pushing them back in.
> > Don't completely take out the IC's, just move them out about 1mm, then push them back in.
> >  
> > Your fault could be the result of a poor connection between the IC and it's mount.. (It seems EII's are notorious for this... it happened to mine)
> >  
> > If this does not fix the fault, it could be the result of a faulty op-amp etc.. hard to know exactly, so a tech might be needed.
> >  
> > Be careful, inside the EII are lethal voltages, so make sure it is unplugged when you are working on it.
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Mike
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 20/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@>
> > Subject: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
> > To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 11:14 PM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
> > I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
> > I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
> > Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
> > thanks
> > 
> > 
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Re: Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-21 by synth.junkie

Thanks for the advice, 
Im a tech, I dont work on keyboards but can do the basics. 
Will probably check the board next for bad solder/tracks as you mentioned and re-seat the ic's on the digital board. Im located in Melbourne.
Regards 
Rob

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "George" <trickstar303@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
> 
> It sounds like the same problem I had with mine. Mine played the faulty channel back very low in volume and distorted. I also had tried everything you did so far without any results. Swapped/ reseated chips on both - analog and digital boards. At some point I gave up and brought it to a tech. It turned out to be an open circuit due to a bad solder joint on a chip. I don't know how tech savvy you are, but if you search the posted messages for "Dead Voice" you will see my posts and all the helpful tips I received from the wonderful people in this forum. There might be some useful info in there for you. Like Mike already said, be super careful when working on the EII as the power supply holds lethal charges even long after being unplugged. If in doubt bring it to a tech.
> 
> Where are you located? Maybe I can link you up with my tech...
> 
> Cheers
> George
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "synth.junkie" <friends-inmyhead@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about the extra posts, I was having difficulties with my pc and didn't think they went through.
> > Anyway, I have reseated all the IC's on the output board.
> > I even went as far as swapping over all the IC's for voice 1 on the output board except for the D/A Converter and 1 of the logic IC.
> > Can the digital board on the right side cause this problem, i will probably try to re-seat those ic's also.
> > Regards
> > Rob
> > 
> > --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, Mike de Vries <mrjdevries@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sheesh... whats with the 8 posts?
> > >  
> > > First thing I'd try is to "re-seat" the IC's.. this involves 'gently' slightly removing the IC's (With a small screw driver prying each end of the IC).. then pushing them back in.
> > > Don't completely take out the IC's, just move them out about 1mm, then push them back in.
> > >  
> > > Your fault could be the result of a poor connection between the IC and it's mount.. (It seems EII's are notorious for this... it happened to mine)
> > >  
> > > If this does not fix the fault, it could be the result of a faulty op-amp etc.. hard to know exactly, so a tech might be needed.
> > >  
> > > Be careful, inside the EII are lethal voltages, so make sure it is unplugged when you are working on it.
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 20/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@>
> > > Subject: [emulatorII-list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
> > > To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
> > > Received: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 11:14 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
> > > I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
> > > I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
> > > Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
> > > thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [emulatorII-list] Re: Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help

2009-07-22 by Mike de Vries

Another EII user in Australia> (Unless you are talking about another Melbourne?)... great.. (Sydney)

--- On Wed, 22/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...> wrote:


From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@...>
Subject: [emulatorII-list] Re: Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 3:56 AM


  



Thanks for the advice, 
Im a tech, I dont work on keyboards but can do the basics. 
Will probably check the board next for bad solder/tracks as you mentioned and re-seat the ic's on the digital board. Im located in Melbourne.
Regards 
Rob

--- In emulatorII-list@ yahoogroups. com, "George" <trickstar303@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
> 
> It sounds like the same problem I had with mine. Mine played the faulty channel back very low in volume and distorted. I also had tried everything you did so far without any results. Swapped/ reseated chips on both - analog and digital boards. At some point I gave up and brought it to a tech. It turned out to be an open circuit due to a bad solder joint on a chip. I don't know how tech savvy you are, but if you search the posted messages for "Dead Voice" you will see my posts and all the helpful tips I received from the wonderful people in this forum. There might be some useful info in there for you. Like Mike already said, be super careful when working on the EII as the power supply holds lethal charges even long after being unplugged. If in doubt bring it to a tech.
> 
> Where are you located? Maybe I can link you up with my tech...
> 
> Cheers
> George
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emulatorII-list@ yahoogroups. com, "synth.junkie" <friends-inmyhead@ > wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about the extra posts, I was having difficulties with my pc and didn't think they went through.
> > Anyway, I have reseated all the IC's on the output board.
> > I even went as far as swapping over all the IC's for voice 1 on the output board except for the D/A Converter and 1 of the logic IC.
> > Can the digital board on the right side cause this problem, i will probably try to re-seat those ic's also.
> > Regards
> > Rob
> > 
> > --- In emulatorII-list@ yahoogroups. com, Mike de Vries <mrjdevries@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sheesh... whats with the 8 posts?
> > >  
> > > First thing I'd try is to "re-seat" the IC's.. this involves 'gently' slightly removing the IC's (With a small screw driver prying each end of the IC).. then pushing them back in.
> > > Don't completely take out the IC's, just move them out about 1mm, then push them back in.
> > >  
> > > Your fault could be the result of a poor connection between the IC and it's mount.. (It seems EII's are notorious for this... it happened to mine)
> > >  
> > > If this does not fix the fault, it could be the result of a faulty op-amp etc.. hard to know exactly, so a tech might be needed.
> > >  
> > > Be careful, inside the EII are lethal voltages, so make sure it is unplugged when you are working on it.
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > Regards
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 20/7/09, synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@ > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: synth.junkie <friends-inmyhead@ >
> > > Subject: [emulatorII- list] Faulty voice on a EII+HD, need help
> > > To: emulatorII-list@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 11:14 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi, I own a EII+HD. When i turned it on today every 8th keypress it did not make a sound. Now it plays the sample but it sounds very distorted on the same voice.
> > > I checked from the seperate outputs and found output 1 is faulty, the other outputs/voices are ok.
> > > I swapped over the SSM2045 & S3528 from a good channel, but output 1 is still distorted. Therefore it is not those IC's.
> > > Can anyone please help, not sure what to check next.
> > > thanks
> > > 
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