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Hi is it safe to store E2 on its side (Disk drive side on floor ) when not in use
I dont have a lot of space in my room
I would probaly insert an old floppy in drive also
 
 
thanks in advance
David

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I personally wouldn't do it. But I have no clue if it's really bad for
the machine.

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "elmbeatz" <elmbeatz@...> wrote:
>
> I personally wouldn't do it.

I agree. Much better to construct or invest in a quality tiered stand
that will let you stack multiple instruments correctly and make the
most of your limited space.

You really seem to have a lack of space... according to the Emax group 
you also want to put your Emax on its side :-)

I would never put an EII on its side. Simply transporting the machine 
can already "disable" it. The EII will not break down of course, but 
it's annoying to have to open the machine over and over again to push 
some IC's and molex connectors :-)

///E-Synthesist 

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
>
> Hi is it safe to store E2 on its side (Disk drive side on floor ) 
when not in use
> I dont have a lot of space in my room
> I would probaly insert an old floppy in drive also
>  
>  
> thanks in advance
> David
> 
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>

Yes I do have a lack of space--in fact many studios  store their  
keyboards on there side due to storage issues
The E2 has a nice hard case--I was worried about 5.25 disk drive  
mainly going out of alignment
Surely the risk of IC's and molex connectors coming loose is very very  
low

Dave

On 11/10/2008, at 8:24 AM, esynthesist wrote:

> You really seem to have a lack of space... according to the Emax group
> you also want to put your Emax on its side :-)
>
> I would never put an EII on its side. Simply transporting the machine
> can already "disable" it. The EII will not break down of course, but
> it's annoying to have to open the machine over and over again to push
> some IC's and molex connectors :-)
>
> ///E-Synthesist
>
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi is it safe to store E2 on its side (Disk drive side on floor )
> when not in use
> > I dont have a lot of space in my room
> > I would probaly insert an old floppy in drive also
> > Â
> > Â
> > thanks in advance
> > David
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> 



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I actually store mine on the side and move it around quite a bit, and it does just fine.  I've never had anything come loose over the years and I'd say I relocate my EII about once a month. I guess milage varies on that, but once a synth gets to the point where you're afraid to tilt it, you've got to reassess your fun/hassle ratio. 

On Oct 10, 2008, at 2:09 PM, David <d2ba@...> wrote:

Yes I do have a lack of space--in fact many studios store their 
keyboards on there side due to storage issues
The E2 has a nice hard case--I was worried about 5.25 disk drive 
mainly going out of alignment
Surely the risk of IC's and molex connectors coming loose is very very 
low

Dave

On 11/10/2008, at 8:24 AM, esynthesist wrote:

> You really seem to have a lack of space... according to the Emax group
> you also want to put your Emax on its side :-)
>
> I would never put an EII on its side. Simply transporting the machine
> can already "disable" it. The EII will not break down of course, but
> it's annoying to have to open the machine over and over again to push
> some IC's and molex connectors :-)
>
> ///E-Synthesist
>
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi is it safe to store E2 on its side (Disk drive side on floor )
> when not in use
> > I dont have a lot of space in my room
> > I would probaly insert an old floppy in drive also
> > Â
> > Â
> > thanks in advance
> > David
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> 

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"Surely the risk of IC's and molex connectors coming loose is very
very low"

- NO! No, it's not. In fact it's very high, at least that's my
experience...  Of course, they're not becoming so loose that they fall
out or such, but their pins' contacts to the sockets are VERY
sensitive. Even if they seem to be socketed correctly, there's great
chance that something happens to 'em, when the unit is being moved
with abrasion (correct word?)
I got mine working perfectly, but after I took it on a 250 KM ride on
the backseat of my car (a cushioned backseat, and I was driving with
caution) - nothing worked properly any more - ugh. I had to reseat and
reconnect everything inside. Pain in the ass I can tell. It's perfect
again now, but I surely would avoid any risk of exposing it to
physical shocks, even slight ones.

Greetz,
Elm.

I agree, that's why I warned for it.

Some of them are simply not reliable. That doesn't mean they *will* 
have problems after transport or having been put on its side, it just 
means they *can* have such problems.
If I remember well there's a rock band that still uses EIIs today on 
stage; during the gig breaks the crew members have to open the EIIs 
to make sure that all connections and chips are still 100% OK.

I have transported my EIIs for more than 200 km without any problem, 
but I also have moved them from one table to another resulting in the 
time consuming "push the IC and Molex" procedure.

My experience shows that moving an EII is a gamble, either a positive 
one or a negative one. 
I remember a ride of 400 km with an EII on the backseat of my car. 
When I picked it up the seller showed me how one of the floppy drives 
didn't work anymore (the motor spinned but resulted in read errors 
all the time). Besides this problem however, the machine was perfect.
 
After the 400 km drive, the floppy drive was still defective but the 
keyboard suddenly also had major problems: a few keys didn't trigger 
anymore. When I wanted to investigate and fix the problems, the 
machine suddenly fell of the table (a fall of half a meter, it fell 
on my feet :-). 
My first reaction was one of complete panic: given the known 
fragility of the machine I was convinced I destroyed the whole thing.
But I was pleasantly surprised: the 'accident' resulted in a keyboard 
which was 100% OK again and on top of that the floppy drive also 
seemed to be fully operational again. The only "repair action" I 
performed was letting the machine fall !
This happened more than a year ago and until today this EII is still 
in fully operational mode, in fact it is even more reliable than my 
other EII which never experienced this kind of abuse.

But this doesn't mean that anyone with EII problems should throw his 
EII on the ground of course :-)

///E-Synthesist


--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "elmbeatz" <elmbeatz@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> "Surely the risk of IC's and molex connectors coming loose is very
> very low"
> 
> - NO! No, it's not. In fact it's very high, at least that's my
> experience...  Of course, they're not becoming so loose that they 
fall
> out or such, but their pins' contacts to the sockets are VERY
> sensitive. Even if they seem to be socketed correctly, there's great
> chance that something happens to 'em, when the unit is being moved
> with abrasion (correct word?)
> I got mine working perfectly, but after I took it on a 250 KM ride 
on
> the backseat of my car (a cushioned backseat, and I was driving with
> caution) - nothing worked properly any more - ugh. I had to reseat 
and
> reconnect everything inside. Pain in the ass I can tell. It's 
perfect
> again now, but I surely would avoid any risk of exposing it to
> physical shocks, even slight ones.
> 
> Greetz,
> Elm.
>

Funny story.
I didn't know anything about ALL this stuff about storage , my E-MU was sitting in the last year in a lot of different positions for long periods of time, because with the repainting and renovating of my flat, I have moved it all the time in a clean place. But thx God, any problems after. And is a HD one. Everihting works ok. What you do about the software for PC is great. I have no Mac,so, is impossible to work with.
Cheers, Mike.

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, esynthesist <esynthesist@...> wrote:
From: esynthesist <esynthesist@...>
Subject: [emulatorII-list] Re: Storing E2 on its side
To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 11:14 PM










    
            I agree, that's why I warned for it.



Some of them are simply not reliable. That doesn't mean they *will* 

have problems after transport or having been put on its side, it just 

means they *can* have such problems.

If I remember well there's a rock band that still uses EIIs today on 

stage; during the gig breaks the crew members have to open the EIIs 

to make sure that all connections and chips are still 100% OK.



I have transported my EIIs for more than 200 km without any problem, 

but I also have moved them from one table to another resulting in the 

time consuming "push the IC and Molex" procedure.



My experience shows that moving an EII is a gamble, either a positive 

one or a negative one. 

I remember a ride of 400 km with an EII on the backseat of my car. 

When I picked it up the seller showed me how one of the floppy drives 

didn't work anymore (the motor spinned but resulted in read errors 

all the time). Besides this problem however, the machine was perfect.

 

After the 400 km drive, the floppy drive was still defective but the 

keyboard suddenly also had major problems: a few keys didn't trigger 

anymore. When I wanted to investigate and fix the problems, the 

machine suddenly fell of the table (a fall of half a meter, it fell 

on my feet :-). 

My first reaction was one of complete panic: given the known 

fragility of the machine I was convinced I destroyed the whole thing.

But I was pleasantly surprised: the 'accident' resulted in a keyboard 

which was 100% OK again and on top of that the floppy drive also 

seemed to be fully operational again. The only "repair action" I 

performed was letting the machine fall !

This happened more than a year ago and until today this EII is still 

in fully operational mode, in fact it is even more reliable than my 

other EII which never experienced this kind of abuse.



But this doesn't mean that anyone with EII problems should throw his 

EII on the ground of course :-)



///E-Synthesist



--- In emulatorII-list@ yahoogroups. com, "elmbeatz" <elmbeatz@.. .> 

wrote:

>

> 

> "Surely the risk of IC's and molex connectors coming loose is very

> very low"

> 

> - NO! No, it's not. In fact it's very high, at least that's my

> experience.. .  Of course, they're not becoming so loose that they 

fall

> out or such, but their pins' contacts to the sockets are VERY

> sensitive. Even if they seem to be socketed correctly, there's great

> chance that something happens to 'em, when the unit is being moved

> with abrasion (correct word?)

> I got mine working perfectly, but after I took it on a 250 KM ride 

on

> the backseat of my car (a cushioned backseat, and I was driving with

> caution) - nothing worked properly any more - ugh. I had to reseat 

and

> reconnect everything inside. Pain in the ass I can tell. It's 

perfect

> again now, but I surely would avoid any risk of exposing it to

> physical shocks, even slight ones.

> 

> Greetz,

> Elm.

>




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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