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EII vs Mac

EII vs Mac

2008-03-25 by wintermute0815

Hi,

I finally received my MacPlus and tried to connect it to my EII. ( I
had a hard time getting it running by the way since there was no
Systemdisk)
Since I own a Rev.0 board I had to built a Mac Interface but
unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with the circuit I
did. Maybe I missinterpreted some of the connection in the schematics
provided by Rob. Does anyone have a more "readable" version of the
RS422 interface schematics? There are some connection I can not read
in the document. Do I have to do any additional mods to the board
beside the connection wires? Is there noone to send me pictures of the
interface board (from top and buttom) so I can compare my circuit to
them? 
Please help. I want to control my EII via SD. :(

Thanks in advance

Cheers

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-25 by elmbeatz

What kind of error message does SD give you?

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-25 by wintermute0815

Hi,

Can not communicate with EII.
Check cable and MIDI on...etc.

The cable is fine, MIDI on and I already tried the MacMode as well.
When using a terminal program and going back to RS232 on the EII I
receive messages from the EII on the MAc. Using the RS422 interface
and a terminal I receive nothing :(

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "elmbeatz" <elmbeatz@...> wrote:
>
> What kind of error message does SD give you?
>

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-25 by elmbeatz

Hi!
I'm no expert in circuitry 'n stuff, But you should turn everything
OFF that's dealing with Midi. Best you disconnect any midi cable.

This surely won't be the solution to your problem, but anyway, Midi
has best to be disconnected and without activity during SD operations.

All the best, Elm (who's glad to have a rev 1).

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-26 by wintermute0815

Hi,

thanks for the advice but I did connect all MIDI cables. What I mean
is that MIDI is turned on in the EII patch. Is there no one with a
Rev.0 board and a RS422 interface?

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "elmbeatz" <elmbeatz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I'm no expert in circuitry 'n stuff, But you should turn everything
> OFF that's dealing with Midi. Best you disconnect any midi cable.
> 
> This surely won't be the solution to your problem, but anyway, Midi
> has best to be disconnected and without activity during SD operations.
> 
> All the best, Elm (who's glad to have a rev 1).
>

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-26 by hexafuzz

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "wintermute0815"
<wintermute303@...> wrote:
>
> I did connect all MIDI cables.

Elm is correct. When troubleshooting SD, midi cables must be
-UNPLUGGED- when connected to a Macintosh. The SD communication error
you have described CAN be caused by having a midi cable connected.

> Is there no one with a Rev.0 board and a RS422 interface?

Rob is probably your best bet concerning board revisions and what is
required.

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-03-26 by wintermute0815

Its the interface board for sure.
No cables connected, no terminal signal, no reaction on the EII side
at all. Is Rob out there?

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "hexafuzz" <gclip@...> wrote:
>
> --- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "wintermute0815"
> <wintermute303@> wrote:
> >
> > I did connect all MIDI cables.
> 
> Elm is correct. When troubleshooting SD, midi cables must be
> -UNPLUGGED- when connected to a Macintosh. The SD communication error
> you have described CAN be caused by having a midi cable connected.
> 
> > Is there no one with a Rev.0 board and a RS422 interface?
> 
> Rob is probably your best bet concerning board revisions and what is
> required.
>

Re: EII vs Mac

2008-09-22 by andrevbemden

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "wintermute0815" 
<wintermute303@...> wrote:
> You can look in the Emulator forum and type RS422 
www.eiiiforum.com. I Have that problem 2. Greats!
> Hi,
> 
> I finally received my MacPlus and tried to connect it to my EII. ( I
> had a hard time getting it running by the way since there was no
> Systemdisk)
> Since I own a Rev.0 board I had to built a Mac Interface but
> unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with the circuit I
> did. Maybe I missinterpreted some of the connection in the 
schematics
> provided by Rob. Does anyone have a more "readable" version of the
> RS422 interface schematics? There are some connection I can not read
> in the document. Do I have to do any additional mods to the board
> beside the connection wires? Is there noone to send me pictures of 
the
> interface board (from top and buttom) so I can compare my circuit to
> them? 
> Please help. I want to control my EII via SD. :(
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Cheers
>

WTB Emulator II

2008-09-25 by David

Looking for a really nice example
please email off list

thanks Dave

Help with restoring --WTB Emulator II Parts and samples and DPX1 player

2008-09-26 by David

As well as looking for a really nice example of a fully working  
Emulator II i secured one 5 minutes drive from my house
that appears to work but needs some restore work--the white keys on  
the end are tight
and the LCD display backlight is gone
it came with EII 3.1 OS disk and that boots up--Im afraid to do much  
more testing as it has been in storage and maybe a tech needs to open  
it carefully
and check for dust etc
This EII is the first model single floppy drive and the control panel  
has dust spots--is there replacement control panels etc
Im after sounds and a DPX1 player a new control panel

thanks in advance
David


On 25/09/2008, at 6:17 PM, David wrote:

> Looking for a really nice example
> please email off list
>
> thanks Dave

Re: [emulatorII-list] Help with restoring --WTB Emulator II Parts and samples and DPX1 player

2008-09-26 by David

Does the Emulator II use the same SSM filter chip part numbers as the  
Emax 1 HD
I have an Emax 1 HD rack that wont boot past system diagnostics

thanks Dave

On 26/09/2008, at 8:02 PM, David wrote:

> As well as looking for a really nice example of a fully working
> Emulator II i secured one 5 minutes drive from my house
> that appears to work but needs some restore work--the white keys on
> the end are tight
> and the LCD display backlight is gone
> it came with EII 3.1 OS disk and that boots up--Im afraid to do much
> more testing as it has been in storage and maybe a tech needs to open
> it carefully
> and check for dust etc
> This EII is the first model single floppy drive and the control panel
> has dust spots--is there replacement control panels etc
> Im after sounds and a DPX1 player a new control panel
>
> thanks in advance
> David
>
> On 25/09/2008, at 6:17 PM, David wrote:
>
> > Looking for a really nice example
> > please email off list
> >
> > thanks Dave
>
>
> 



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SV: [emulatorII-list] Help with restoring --WTB Emulator II Parts and samples and DPX1 player

2008-09-26 by Kenneth Abildgaard | OIIO

Hi Dave – and congratulations on your EII.

 

The EII uses SSM2045 filters – where as the Emax uses the combined VCA/VCF
SSM2047 chip.

 

So no swapping of filter chips allowed here J

 

KennethA

12bit.com

 

 

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Sendt: 26. september 2008 10:05
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [emulatorII-list] Help with restoring --WTB Emulator II Parts and
samples and DPX1 player

 

Does the Emulator II use the same SSM filter chip part numbers as the 
Emax 1 HD
I have an Emax 1 HD rack that wont boot past system diagnostics

thanks Dave

On 26/09/2008, at 8:02 PM, David wrote:

> As well as looking for a really nice example of a fully working
> Emulator II i secured one 5 minutes drive from my house
> that appears to work but needs some restore work--the white keys on
> the end are tight
> and the LCD display backlight is gone
> it came with EII 3.1 OS disk and that boots up--Im afraid to do much
> more testing as it has been in storage and maybe a tech needs to open
> it carefully
> and check for dust etc
> This EII is the first model single floppy drive and the control panel
> has dust spots--is there replacement control panels etc
> Im after sounds and a DPX1 player a new control panel
>
> thanks in advance
> David
>
> On 25/09/2008, at 6:17 PM, David wrote:
>
> > Looking for a really nice example
> > please email off list
> >
> > thanks Dave
>
>
> 

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question about floppy disk drive care

2008-09-26 by David

opps the manual says to put a blank disc in the EII before moving  
across the room!!!!
Is that overkill or what??
Surely 51/4 inch drives cant be that fragile

One last question are NOS spare drives available or do you guys swap  
them with 3 1/2 drives from Route 66 these days?

thanks in advance
David

SV: [emulatorII-list] question about floppy disk drive care

2008-09-26 by Kenneth Abildgaard | OIIO

Hi again David.

 

I haven’t been able to find any new drives anywhere.

I would look at eBay or at Route66 for their 3.5” replacement drive.

 

I personally is a little crazy about aesthetics and I prefer the original
5.25” drives J

 

I think you can move the machine without putting any floppies in the drive.
But for a longer or bumpy ride I would obviously do it.

But don’t come blaming me if anything happens J

 

Kenneth

12bit.com

 

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Sendt: 26. september 2008 13:40
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [emulatorII-list] question about floppy disk drive care

 

opps the manual says to put a blank disc in the EII before moving 
across the room!!!!
Is that overkill or what??
Surely 51/4 inch drives cant be that fragile

One last question are NOS spare drives available or do you guys swap 
them with 3 1/2 drives from Route 66 these days?

thanks in advance
David

 



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5.25 floppy disk drive replacements

2008-09-28 by David

> Hi will the original Apple drive work as a replacement drive for the  
> E2

eg

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Vintage/auction-178785649.htm



thanks Dave

Parts question for Emulator 2

2008-09-28 by David

Hi are these parts here for the EMU SP12 work with EMU Emulator 2

slider
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=27

  pots
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=28

lcd display
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49


lcd invertor
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=51


thanks in advance
David

SV: [emulatorII-list] 5.25 floppy disk drive replacements

2008-09-29 by Kenneth Abildgaard | OIIO

I would say no.

 

Are you familar with the Emulator Archive ?

Take a look here for repairs:

http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Archives/Samplers/E2Overview/E2Repairs/e2repa
irs.html

 

Kenneth

12bit.com

 

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[mailto:emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af David
Sendt: 29. september 2008 00:37
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [emulatorII-list] 5.25 floppy disk drive replacements

 

> Hi will the original Apple drive work as a replacement drive for the 
> E2

eg

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Vintage/auction-178785649.htm

thanks Dave

 



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SV: [emulatorII-list] Parts question for Emulator 2

2008-09-29 by Kenneth Abildgaard | OIIO

Hi David.

 

In all honesty I don’t know.

I think the display and LCD inverters are different.

Can you read what’s on your display – but there’s no light ?

Then maybe a new EL-foil is all you need:

http://www.midi-rakete.de/eng/elfolie.htm

 

I’d recommend you to contact the guys at EPR regarding the other items – I
am sure they know.

 

Kenneth

12bit.com

 

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[mailto:emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af David
Sendt: 29. september 2008 00:44
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [emulatorII-list] Parts question for Emulator 2

 

Hi are these parts here for the EMU SP12 work with EMU Emulator 2

slider
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail
<http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=27> &p=27

pots
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail
<http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=28> &p=28

lcd display
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail
<http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=49> &p=49

lcd invertor
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail
<http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=51> &p=51

thanks in advance
David

 



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EPR Electronics (never answer emails)

2008-09-29 by David

>
> Has anyone on the list had any luck with sending enquires to
>

> info@...



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SV: [emulatorII-list] EPR Electronics (never answer emails)

2008-09-29 by Kenneth Abildgaard | OIIO

I have – a couple of times.

 

Sometimes it apparently takes a LOOOONG time, but I managed to get through J

 

Kenneth

12bit.com

 

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[mailto:emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af David
Sendt: 29. september 2008 13:48
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [emulatorII-list] EPR Electronics (never answer emails)

 


>
> Has anyone on the list had any luck with sending enquires to
>

> info@EPRelectronics.com <mailto:info%40EPRelectronics.com> 

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Emulator 2 vs 3 for realiability

2008-09-29 by David

Do you know much about E2 vs E3 for reliability???
In general are the E2s better suited for long life

---my understanding that E3 was over engineered and because of the  
card cage and keeps on breaking down

thanks in advance
Dave

SV: [emulatorII-list] Emulator 2 vs 3 for realiability

2008-10-03 by Brian Ronn

Hi Dave
 
Your right. The E2 is a strong workhorse and the E3 is somewhat fragile and a maintenance machine. The E3 cardcase and the long internal cables are not the best design.
 
Best regards
 
Brian
Denmark 

--- Den man 29/9/08 skrev David <d2ba@...>:

Fra: David <d2ba@...>
Emne: [emulatorII-list] Emulator 2 vs 3 for realiability
Til: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Dato: mandag 29. september 2008 21.16






Do you know much about E2 vs E3 for reliability? ??
In general are the E2s better suited for long life

---my understanding that E3 was over engineered and because of the 
card cage and keeps on breaking down

thanks in advance
Dave

 














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RE: [emulatorII-list] Emulator 2 vs 3 for realiability

2008-10-03 by rob

Hi
I agree with Brian, and there are other E3 problems...
 
SIMM sockets in first batch were bad - many early E2's were recalled
secretly
Hard disk in first batch were troublesome
Burr Brown DAC's can fail and are expensive
Card frame is a mistake - it was designed to be expandable by marketing 
SCSI cable runs are too long in keyboard version
Removing cards can strip components off nearby boards, especially
polystyrene caps
Inserting jacks into stereo outs can blow a variety of components
Needs alignment and maintenance every year
16 channel TTL based microcontroller just pushes the boundaries of dense TTL
and all that heat - what an idea!
Rack version is considerably more reliable , as its later and has the card
frame vertically - shorter SCSI cable too
If you love your E3 get a second for spares and an expander board. I sold my
E3's long ago - too much hassle.
 
E2 is prone to rare chip failure - S3528 switched capacitor and SSM filter
chip. These are hard to find, so buy some now as spares!
E2 power supply overheats the PCB's and then voices cut out. Power supply
often fails but is repairable
E2 hard disk is now well past its life.
Molex interconnects can fail
I'd replace the Tantumlum bypass caps, as they are 25 years old and will die
causing more problems
Other than that its pretty much ok and uses sensible parts and a good 2 PCB
layout. 
 
The E3 product quality failure was significant in 1988 and E-mu Systems
nearly went out of business as a direct result. They unfortunately over
reacted and introduced Japanese TQM. This  reduced innovation is such a
small company, and meant senior managers would not approve any further mega
projects for many years...hence the Proteus was born..Its why the was a big
gap until the E4 arrived, as the E3 exapnsion plans were axed and only a 2x
Emax II (the E3XP) was eventually built.
 
Positive side was Dave Rossum created more custom ASIC chips to improve
relaibility. Ahhh the G Chip !
 
All the best
Rob
www.emulatorarchive.com 


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Re: [emulatorII-list] Emulator 2 vs 3 for realiability

2008-10-03 by David

thanks Rob--great info

Best way to get spare SSM chip for E2 is to buy a Oberheim DPX1 on  
Ebay I assume?
Now how many SSM S3528 switched capacitors does the E2 use?

thanks David


On 4/10/2008, at 5:00 AM, rob wrote:

> Hi
> I agree with Brian, and there are other E3 problems...
>
> SIMM sockets in first batch were bad - many early E2's were recalled
> secretly
> Hard disk in first batch were troublesome
> Burr Brown DAC's can fail and are expensive
> Card frame is a mistake - it was designed to be expandable by  
> marketing
> SCSI cable runs are too long in keyboard version
> Removing cards can strip components off nearby boards, especially
> polystyrene caps
> Inserting jacks into stereo outs can blow a variety of components
> Needs alignment and maintenance every year
> 16 channel TTL based microcontroller just pushes the boundaries of  
> dense TTL
> and all that heat - what an idea!
> Rack version is considerably more reliable , as its later and has  
> the card
> frame vertically - shorter SCSI cable too
> If you love your E3 get a second for spares and an expander board. I  
> sold my
> E3's long ago - too much hassle.
>
> E2 is prone to rare chip failure - S3528 switched capacitor and SSM  
> filter
> chip. These are hard to find, so buy some now as spares!
> E2 power supply overheats the PCB's and then voices cut out. Power  
> supply
> often fails but is repairable
> E2 hard disk is now well past its life.
> Molex interconnects can fail
> I'd replace the Tantumlum bypass caps, as they are 25 years old and  
> will die
> causing more problems
> Other than that its pretty much ok and uses sensible parts and a  
> good 2 PCB
> layout.
>
> The E3 product quality failure was significant in 1988 and E-mu  
> Systems
> nearly went out of business as a direct result. They unfortunately  
> over
> reacted and introduced Japanese TQM. This reduced innovation is such a
> small company, and meant senior managers would not approve any  
> further mega
> projects for many years...hence the Proteus was born..Its why the  
> was a big
> gap until the E4 arrived, as the E3 exapnsion plans were axed and  
> only a 2x
> Emax II (the E3XP) was eventually built.
>
> Positive side was Dave Rossum created more custom ASIC chips to  
> improve
> relaibility. Ahhh the G Chip !
>
> All the best
> Rob
> www.emulatorarchive.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Looking for Emulator 2 sound library

2008-10-03 by David

Hi Im looking for Emulator 2 Sound library
I have both original machine and DPX1 but no library-
Also looking for a good source for blank 5.25 floppys

thanks in advance
David

Re: Looking for Emulator 2 sound library

2008-10-03 by jmp701

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, David <d2ba@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Im looking for Emulator 2 Sound library
> I have both original machine and DPX1 but no library-
> Also looking for a good source for blank 5.25 floppys
> 
> thanks in advance
> David
>
Hi David, 

I've used these fine with my EMU II: 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Box-of-10x-5-25-DS-DD-Disks-with-Sleeves-Labels_W0QQitemZ310078981510QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310078981510&_trkparms=72%3A1301|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

You can buy Northstar library disks here but they're quite expensive: 

http://www.northstarsamples.com/EIIFloppies.html

John.

Re: Looking for Emulator 2 sound library

2008-10-03 by esynthesist

Possible sources:
- http://www.emulatorarchive.com: buy the CD with cable, it contains 
the full Emu factory sound library and a lot more !
- contact members who own the full OMI library, see also topic on 
http://www.eiiiforum.com about sound banks for EII. You'll probably 
be lucky in getting a copy in one or another way... 

Above sources are CD-roms with SoundDesigner for EII files on it, so 
you'll need a Mac and an EII with rev1 board or RS422 upgrade kit.

- http://www.northstarsamples.com/EIIFloppies.html. Here you can buy 
the full (and great) northstar sample library on floppy but they are 
VERY expensive. Note that 90% of their floppies have been released as 
the OMI volume 3 cd.

Blank floppies ? I don't know where to get them, I got +300 of them 
when I bought my EII :-) But if you have a Mac you will almost never 
use these floppies except one or two to boot the EII.

To load EII banks into the DPX, you can use DPXTOOLS (see 
http://users.skynet.be/emxp/DPX.htm) which enables you to convert 
SDforEII files into DPX format and to write these DPX images to 3.5 
floppy disks which will load in your DPX. Of course you will need one 
of the higher OS versions of the DPX.

I hope this helps.

Kris


--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, David <d2ba@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Im looking for Emulator 2 Sound library
> I have both original machine and DPX1 but no library-
> Also looking for a good source for blank 5.25 floppys
> 
> thanks in advance
> David
>