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Hi everyone, new here :) sorry if this question is asked frequently.. 

Which mac do you prefer to use with sound designer? I just bought
emulator II and try to find proper mac for it, i have couple of
candidates here i´ve found recently to pickup:

1. Powerbook 100
2. Classic ][ europlus
3. Mac 9600/200 (running with 7.5.5)

What do you think about running virtual II emulator on ibook
http://www.xs4all.nl/~gp/VirtualII/ for using SD? :) ..is it possible? 

And people with GREAT experience here, feel free to recommend any good
models here!

Thanks.

- R

--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, "roisto" <roisto@...> wrote:
>
> And people with GREAT experience here, feel free to recommend any good
> models here!

Check the compatibility table in the group database, search the
message archives, and see the Mac related links in the links section.
In general, a 68030 based machine or better is recommended.

Let me start by saying that I collected all these
ancient samplers because they had analog output
sections and sometimes seperate DAC's and to my way of
thinking, that equalled GUTS. Yeah, screw laptops, I
wanted a multi-thousand dollar cash outlay timebomb
consuming huge area, breaking down, suffer floppy
drives, custom studio fixtures, format hell, 2-line
displays, insane arcana load times and editing
foibles. Whoops, you popped a PAL, better find a mule.
Sure I have space for all this- WAIT! need more
triple-booting Vintage MAC's to run 68000 dodgy
assembler - ahh holiest Trevor Horn grail!!! I still
don't have that Lex 224 or EE degree.

I've come home to work on my OB-X some this week. I've
done a lot to it- resoldered both motherboards,
replace trims, reseat all logic, clean ALL
connectors... and calibrate. I had it since 2003 but I
never really had much use for it until my Prophet X
took serious ill a couple days back. After all that
was done I wrote about 20 new sounds for it. My ears
were quite full of OB-X. 

I haven't used my EII HD for a couple of months. I
flipped it on and sampled a killer FM sound (sharp
bass with high feedback, aggressive)from this thrift
store Yamaha. I sampled at every fifth. I tried to
fiddle with the sound a bit.

Immediately, I became kind of frustrated with the
contours from the EII. 

I started to wish they had gone with 3310...
same storage overhead / memory space?

Is that not what was in the original Emulator I ?

I know people were delighted just to be able to sample
and that's what you were supposed to do with it.

I guess I am asking why they didn't and if anyone
during the 80's ever complain. I feel its extremely
noticeable in the VCF response. Could it have possibly
been cost? For my present tastes there's just not
enough bloody resolution.

Are there LAG's on the control lines to the VCA?
Wasn't there some mod that would give faster A?

On a related note, I had the sneaking suspicion that
the seperate LFO per voice was more to do with the
realtime instances of the voices and how to get them
out of the microcontroller- rather than the EII team
wishing for Prophet style Polymod.

I know this is treasonable, however, I think the
Prophet 2000 may have the venerable EII beat on
analog.
If that's the case well... [w]


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Hi!

I've got SD running on a Mac SE, one of those cubic macs from '87.
It's also got SCSI to have external media connected to it. 
Thing is, that the industrial design of both devices was done by Ken
Provost (I think), so the two really make a good couple, even in an
aesthetical way ::))

Greetings,
Elm.

Hi
E-mu Systems released a modification to the Emulator II that increased the
Attack times of the envelopes.
If you are interested I can send the details. Or load into the Group
database....
 
The EII is NOT good at fast envelopes, snappy lead lines and drum sounds are
not possible....
It is good for choir, strings, acoustic samples etc. Use the special charm
the EII has on these sounds and forget bass and lead.
 
The EII is not a digital camera, its a slow synth with cool samples.
 
Regards
Rob
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[mailto:emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Griffin
Sent: 30 November 2007 11:15
To: emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emulatorII-list] EG's... thoughts on EII analog can of Vorms



Let me start by saying that I collected all these
ancient samplers because they had analog output
sections and sometimes seperate DAC's and to my way of
thinking, that equalled GUTS. Yeah, screw laptops, I
wanted a multi-thousand dollar cash outlay timebomb
consuming huge area, breaking down, suffer floppy
drives, custom studio fixtures, format hell, 2-line
displays, insane arcana load times and editing
foibles. Whoops, you popped a PAL, better find a mule.
Sure I have space for all this- WAIT! need more
triple-booting Vintage MAC's to run 68000 dodgy
assembler - ahh holiest Trevor Horn grail!!! I still
don't have that Lex 224 or EE degree.

I've come home to work on my OB-X some this week. I've
done a lot to it- resoldered both motherboards,
replace trims, reseat all logic, clean ALL
connectors... and calibrate. I had it since 2003 but I
never really had much use for it until my Prophet X
took serious ill a couple days back. After all that
was done I wrote about 20 new sounds for it. My ears
were quite full of OB-X. 

I haven't used my EII HD for a couple of months. I
flipped it on and sampled a killer FM sound (sharp
bass with high feedback, aggressive)from this thrift
store Yamaha. I sampled at every fifth. I tried to
fiddle with the sound a bit.

Immediately, I became kind of frustrated with the
contours from the EII. 

I started to wish they had gone with 3310...
same storage overhead / memory space?

Is that not what was in the original Emulator I ?

I know people were delighted just to be able to sample
and that's what you were supposed to do with it.

I guess I am asking why they didn't and if anyone
during the 80's ever complain. I feel its extremely
noticeable in the VCF response. Could it have possibly
been cost? For my present tastes there's just not
enough bloody resolution.

Are there LAG's on the control lines to the VCA?
Wasn't there some mod that would give faster A?

On a related note, I had the sneaking suspicion that
the seperate LFO per voice was more to do with the
realtime instances of the voices and how to get them
out of the microcontroller- rather than the EII team
wishing for Prophet style Polymod.

I know this is treasonable, however, I think the
Prophet 2000 may have the venerable EII beat on
analog.
If that's the case well... [w]

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- rob <rob@...> wrote:

> Hi
> E-mu Systems released a modification to the Emulator
> II that increased the
> Attack times of the envelopes.
> If you are interested I can send the details. Or
> load into the Group
> database....

When they stood back and listened to the thing after
NAMM that year, were they pleased? A friend of mine
had a T-8 once and we were mutually appalled by the
sound.  I mean only to say that SCI lost their minds
building that machine... 
  
> The EII is NOT good at fast envelopes, snappy lead
> lines and drum sounds are
> not possible....
> It is good for choir, strings, acoustic samples etc.
> Use the special charm
> the EII has on these sounds and forget bass and
> lead.

Oh heavens yes, I'd like to see the Mod.

I guess Ministry, Front 242, Depeche Mode, Jam & Lewis
and the like relied on gobs of outboard compressors
and gates. 

I think it's beautiful what they managed with only a
Zilog. Was 6809 ever a question?

> The EII is not a digital camera, its a slow synth
> with cool samples.

Dave Cookbook Smith should come out with a MIPS based
sampling upgrade for his overpriced, SMD Split-Eight.

[w]




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Hi,
The NAMM EII was a prototype with the wire wrap boards hidden under the
table...they were well behind schedule. I don't think the samples at this
first NAMM were sorted out properly, probably ports from the EI library. Yes
the E-mu team were well impressed with the EII sound and capability, at the
time it was a major break through and caused a buzz in Silicon Valley. The
factory library is okay, but the OMI library is the one to use - its a
collection of user samples from top studios in the USA.
 
E-mu always wanted to build a true 16-bit sampler from 81 onwards but they
didn't have the resources or custom chip capability in 84. In fact they were
out of money and Syco had to order the first batch of EII's to get some cash
flow in. The EII digital electronics are very good, but the slow envelopes
and the rather weak SSM2045 filter chip lets it down a bit. If only they had
used the SSM2040.  
 
Regards
Rob
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--- rob <rob@...> wrote:

probably ports
> from the EI library. Yes

That reminds me somewhat of our discussion from
earlier this year when we were talking about what Unix
or VMS (I can't recall) they had in house. That should
fill a book in itself.

> E-mu always wanted to build a true 16-bit sampler
> from 81 onwards but they
> didn't have the resources or custom chip capability
> in 84. 

Was this anything to do with Soundstream?

http://mixonline.com/TECnology-Hall-of-Fame/thomas-stockham-soundstream-090106/


> out of money and Syco had to order the first batch
> of EII's to get some cash

who are Syco?

> flow in. The EII digital electronics are very good,
> but the slow envelopes
> and the rather weak SSM2045 filter chip lets it down
> a bit. If only they had
> used the SSM2040.  

Well, what prompted the use of the 2045? I've never
seen it in anything else... cheers, [w]


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--- In emulatorII-list@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Griffin
<ingsoc_1979@...> wrote:
>
> who are Syco?

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug00/articles/emuretro.htm

Only Available In London  	 
  	
Few people ever realised that the EII almost didn't see the light of
day. When the smiling Californian demonstrators from Emu Systems
premiered the prototypes to such enthusiastic reception at the
Frankfurt show in February 1984, the company was actually on the brink
of financial collapse. They didn't even have the money to build the
first production run of machines. As a result, a deal was struck with
Syco Systems, the company Peter Gabriel had founded with his cousin
Stephen Paine to distribute the Fairlight in the UK (and which also
handled Emu), whereby they agreed to pay upfront for the first 25
machines. But as a consequence, some fairly rigid legal restrictions
were placed on Emu to make sure that all of the first 25 machines came
to the UK. I have heard stories of Santa Cruz lawyers checking serial
numbers and units on the production line to make sure that not even
one machine slipped out for delivery to US dealers or stars until
Emu's obligation to the bacon-saving Syco was fulfilled.

As a result, some fairly famous American names were left waiting high
and dry for this machine they had heard so much about (the Summer NAMM
show in Chicago had let the cat out of the bag in Emu's home country
as well). When it was clearly explained to them that the first units
had all been shipped to the UK, they did what any self-respecting star
would do -- they got on planes and came to London. Which is how I came
to see Stevie Wonder coming out of the Syco demo room with his
entourage while I was waiting to go in, and (literally) ran into Steve
Porcaro and David Paich of Toto coming in as I left. I was keeping
fine company indeed, and even though I personally hadn't a snowball's
chance in hell of coming up with the 10 grand plus VAT needed to buy
my own EII, I still felt like I was walking with giants. Both, I
believe, bought EIIs from Syco that day.

--- hexafuzz <gclip@...> wrote:

> Only Available In London  	 
>   	
> Few people ever realised that the EII almost didn't
> see the light of
> day. When the smiling Californian demonstrators from
> Emu Systems

Absolutely biblical, mate.

We are each a scholar. This thread is making me wish
we could have a vintage sampler group meeting,
somewheres in the Golden Future Time. Either that or
the private press of Rob's book should come out
::wink:: Share the lore! [w]


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