Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi peoplez, got my MD today! Yes yes, at last! But already a 
request... (have been on the list for a while)

The way the data entry buttons work (pushing them for fast movement) 
seems unnatural to me. The natural way would be fast movement when 
not pushed, and fine movement when pushed. 'cause when trying out 
sounds i quickly change the parameter with large intervals until i 
have roughly the desired sound, and then fine tune it. Not the other 
way around. That means i  use the fast movement way more than the 
fine movement. So it s not quite ergonomic if i have to push all the 
time to use it.

It would be nice to have a setting with wich you can choose in what 
way the buttons work, pressing for fast or fine movement. Anyone 
agrees on this or am i the only one? 

Another solution is making the buttons less heavy to turn, but that 
would reqiure something else than an OS update :] (is it possible 
anyway?)


Greets, d

On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:36:01AM -0000, divi309 wrote:
>    Hi peoplez, got my MD today! Yes yes, at last! But already a
>    request... (have been on the list for a while)
>    The way the data entry buttons work (pushing them for fast movement)
>    seems unnatural to me. The natural way would be fast movement when
>    not pushed, and fine movement when pushed. 'cause when trying out
>    sounds i quickly change the parameter with large intervals until i
>    have roughly the desired sound, and then fine tune it. Not the other
>    way around. That means i  use the fast movement way more than the
>    fine movement. So it s not quite ergonomic if i have to push all the
>    time to use it.
>    It would be nice to have a setting with wich you can choose in what
>    way the buttons work, pressing for fast or fine movement. Anyone
>    agrees on this or am i the only one?

no, this has been discussed in here several times. but adding it to
the list is a good idea. I don't personally want it, though.

>    Another solution is making the buttons less heavy to turn, but that
>    would reqiure something else than an OS update :] (is it possible
>    anyway?)

they used to be easier to turn, until the MnM was released. then everyone
said "we like these knobs better." to which Elektron replied "we do too
and we are putting them on MD's from now on." :-) BUT they do wear down
a bit once you break them in (at least, the ones on my MnM have) so I'm
sure you'll be happy with them.

Joe

Good thinking!
i feel exactly the same.
Shouldnt be difficult to implement!

Hans

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "divi309" 
<theartistformerlyknownasvandoren@h...> wrote:

> Hi peoplez, got my MD today! Yes yes, at last! But already a 
> request... (have been on the list for a while)
> 
> The way the data entry buttons work (pushing them for fast movement) 
> seems unnatural to me. The natural way would be fast movement when 
> not pushed, and fine movement when pushed. 'cause when trying out 
> sounds i quickly change the parameter with large intervals until i 
> have roughly the desired sound, and then fine tune it. Not the other 
> way around. That means i  use the fast movement way more than the 
> fine movement. So it s not quite ergonomic if i have to push all the 
> time to use it.
> 
> It would be nice to have a setting with wich you can choose in what 
> way the buttons work, pressing for fast or fine movement. Anyone 
> agrees on this or am i the only one? 
> 
> Another solution is making the buttons less heavy to turn, but that 
> would reqiure something else than an OS update :] (is it possible 
> anyway?)
> 
> 
> Greets, d

i certainly hope so! finally i ve got a perfect tool to lay down my 
drums without dragging around a mouse, but what i get now is even 
more RSI pain in the hands. very pitty for such a userfriendly 
machine.

oh yeah, it **really** needs 909 hats. but me, i m lucky enough to 
have an MD AND 909 to mess around with :] 


greets, d

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:36:01AM -0000, divi309 wrote:
> >    Hi peoplez, got my MD today! Yes yes, at last! But already a
> >    request... 

[blabla]

> 
> they used to be easier to turn, until the MnM was released. then 
everyone
> said "we like these knobs better." to which Elektron replied "we 
do too
> and we are putting them on MD's from now on." :-) BUT they do wear 
down
> a bit once you break them in (at least, the ones on my MnM have) 
so I'm

> sure you'll be happy with them.
> 
> Joe

>From: "divi309" <theartistformerlyknownasvandoren@...>

This is not going to happen, Daniel explained this already.
If you do this it will be impossible to do subtle adjustments.
Look it up in the archive for the complete story.

Ronald.

so i was told by daniel, yes. but i couldn t find a search string 
that would give the desired posts. anyway, here s the deal, quoted 
from daniel:

"Pushing down often makes a few ticks before reaching the lower 
lever, which would make it impossible to make fine adjustments 
without making course adjustments first."

"The encoders have varied over time, I think you have got one with 
heavier ones to turn. Now we have very light encoders."

"The encoders usually looses up some over time, but not very much. 
It's not possible to make them looser by force, it is controlled 
inside the knobs from factory."

if i understand it right, the problem is that the parameter would 
jump a little before it can be adjusted finely. to me, in the 
studio, this wouldn t be a problem. for live use i see the 
inconvenience. so wouldn t it still be possible to have a setting in 
wich to switch it? eg. switching between studio and live use.


greets, d 
 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald Vonk \(Roonan\)" 
<info@r...> wrote:

> >From: "divi309" <theartistformerlyknownasvandoren@h...>
> 
> This is not going to happen, Daniel explained this already.
> If you do this it will be impossible to do subtle adjustments.
> Look it up in the archive for the complete story.
> 
> Ronald.

> oh yeah, it **really** needs 909 hats. but me, i m lucky enough to 
> have an MD AND 909 to mess around with :] 

Any thoughts about differencies of these two machines?

Toni.

i believe there was also talk of, if a knob were bumped while doing 
something else (and the knobs were set to 'coarse' adjustment when up 
and fine when pressed) then your parameters would become all kindsa 
messed up. 
i had initial thoughts about the knobs like you, s, but when i got to 
know the MD (doesn't take long!) i appreciated the way they are set 
up. 

best,
wendell.

conrexrecords.com/scutopus for all MD/SID tracks. i recommend 'flirt' 
if you have bandwidth. 


> "Pushing down often makes a few ticks before reaching the lower 
> lever, which would make it impossible to make fine adjustments 
> without making course adjustments first."
> 
> "The encoders have varied over time, I think you have got one with 
> heavier ones to turn. Now we have very light encoders."
> 
> "The encoders usually looses up some over time, but not very much. 
> It's not possible to make them looser by force, it is controlled 
> inside the knobs from factory."
> 
> if i understand it right, the problem is that the parameter would 
> jump a little before it can be adjusted finely. to me, in the 
> studio, this wouldn t be a problem. for live use i see the 
> inconvenience. so wouldn t it still be possible to have a setting 
in 

> wich to switch it? eg. switching between studio and live use.
> 
> 
> greets, d 


> > This is not going to happen, Daniel explained this already.
> > If you do this it will be impossible to do subtle adjustments.
> > Look it up in the archive for the complete story.
> > 
> > Ronald.

I too like the way they are set up with slow being regular, and faster
when pressed, I hope to see more gear using this style of pot in the
future...

what I would love to see in the MD is a global setting for the increment
value, So you could have it set up how it is normal +/- 1 regular, +/- 7
pressed for studio work and set it to +/- 4 regular +/- 12 pressed for
live

-cryogenick
cryogenick.net

-----Original Message-----
From: scutopus [mailto:scutopus@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:02 AM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [elektron] Re: MD feature request - pushing buttons

i believe there was also talk of, if a knob were bumped while doing 
something else (and the knobs were set to 'coarse' adjustment when up 
and fine when pressed) then your parameters would become all kindsa 
messed up. 
i had initial thoughts about the knobs like you, s, but when i got to 
know the MD (doesn't take long!) i appreciated the way they are set 
up. 

best,
wendell.

conrexrecords.com/scutopus for all MD/SID tracks. i recommend 'flirt' 
if you have bandwidth. 


> "Pushing down often makes a few ticks before reaching the lower 
> lever, which would make it impossible to make fine adjustments 
> without making course adjustments first."
> 
> "The encoders have varied over time, I think you have got one with 
> heavier ones to turn. Now we have very light encoders."
> 
> "The encoders usually looses up some over time, but not very much. 
> It's not possible to make them looser by force, it is controlled 
> inside the knobs from factory."
> 
> if i understand it right, the problem is that the parameter would 
> jump a little before it can be adjusted finely. to me, in the 
> studio, this wouldn t be a problem. for live use i see the 
> inconvenience. so wouldn t it still be possible to have a setting 
in 
> wich to switch it? eg. switching between studio and live use.
> 
> 
> greets, d 


> > This is not going to happen, Daniel explained this already.
> > If you do this it will be impossible to do subtle adjustments.
> > Look it up in the archive for the complete story.
> > 
> > Ronald.


 

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hello, lovely elektrons,

would it be possible to make the LFO window a destination
for other LFOs?  i'm especially interested in being able to
change, say, LFO1's destination with LFO2, and LFO2's
shape with LFO3.

thanks!

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