Elektron Musical Instruments

editing is pretty straight forward so and editor isn\ufffdt really necessary. 
What would be useful would be some sort of kit/pattern manager. One thing 
that could let you build kits taking single parts of other kits, and 
something that let you arrange patterns to prepare a live set or so. Am I 
making sense? I know a program like this would be tricky to do because it\ufffdd 
be based on sysex instead of midi, but it is just an idea...


>From: "Arno van Goch" <avg@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [elektron] Software tools for the MD
>Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:04:54 +0200
>
>I've just got my MD, and I have a long way to go exploring al its
>possibilities.
>
>However, being a programmer, I'm also toying with the idea of write some
>tool for it ... an editor or librarian, I don't know.
>
>What kind of software tool for the MD is needed the most, if there is need
>at all ?
>What kind of tools already exist ?
>
>Arno
>
>




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I have created a preliminary adaptation for SoundDiver to handle
Global data, Kits, Patterns, and Song dumps...  however, due to the
way the the MD currently handles patch dumps / receives via SysEx,
it would be very difficult to create an editor that is flexible enough
to satisfy most user needs.

I have written Elektron about this, and hopefully we will see some
changes in the SysEx implementation so that a more robust adaptation
or standalone editor/librarian can be made.


Adam


Saturday, July 6, 2002, 11:26:30 AM, you wrote:

RP> editing is pretty straight forward so and editor isn\ufffdt really necessary. 
RP> What would be useful would be some sort of kit/pattern manager. One thing 
RP> that could let you build kits taking single parts of other kits, and 
RP> something that let you arrange patterns to prepare a live set or so. Am I 
RP> making sense? I know a program like this would be tricky to do because it\ufffdd 
RP> be based on sysex instead of midi, but it is just an idea...


>>From: "Arno van Goch" <avg@...>
>>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: [elektron] Software tools for the MD
>>Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:04:54 +0200
>>
>>I've just got my MD, and I have a long way to go exploring al its
>>possibilities.
>>
>>However, being a programmer, I'm also toying with the idea of write some
>>tool for it ... an editor or librarian, I don't know.
>>
>>What kind of software tool for the MD is needed the most, if there is need
>>at all ?
>>What kind of tools already exist ?
>>
>>Arno
>>
>>







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 Adam                            mailto:adam@...

Awesome! is this available?

: -----Original Message-----
: From: Adam Watson [mailto:adam@...]
: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 2:53 PM
: To: Rui Peixoto
: Subject: Re[2]: [elektron] Software tools for the MD
:
:
: I have created a preliminary adaptation for SoundDiver to handle
: Global data, Kits, Patterns, and Song dumps...  however, due to the
: way the the MD currently handles patch dumps / receives via SysEx,
: it would be very difficult to create an editor that is flexible enough
: to satisfy most user needs.
:
: I have written Elektron about this, and hopefully we will see some
: changes in the SysEx implementation so that a more robust adaptation
: or standalone editor/librarian can be made.
:
:
: Adam
:
:
: Saturday, July 6, 2002, 11:26:30 AM, you wrote:
:
: RP> editing is pretty straight forward so and editor isn\ufffdt
: really necessary.
: RP> What would be useful would be some sort of kit/pattern
: manager. One thing
: RP> that could let you build kits taking single parts of
: other kits, and
: RP> something that let you arrange patterns to prepare a live
: set or so. Am I
: RP> making sense? I know a program like this would be tricky
: to do because it\ufffdd
: RP> be based on sysex instead of midi, but it is just an idea...
:
:
: >>From: "Arno van Goch" <avg@...>
: >>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
: >>To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
: >>Subject: [elektron] Software tools for the MD
: >>Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:04:54 +0200
: >>
: >>I've just got my MD, and I have a long way to go exploring al its
: >>possibilities.
: >>
: >>However, being a programmer, I'm also toying with the idea
: of write some
: >>tool for it ... an editor or librarian, I don't know.
: >>
: >>What kind of software tool for the MD is needed the most,
: if there is need
: >>at all ?
: >>What kind of tools already exist ?
: >>
: >>Arno
: >>
: >>
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
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> I have created a preliminary adaptation for SoundDiver to handle
> Global data, Kits, Patterns, and Song dumps...  however, due to the
> way the the MD currently handles patch dumps / receives via SysEx,
> it would be very difficult to create an editor that is flexible enough
> to satisfy most user needs.

What exactly where the limitations you ran across ?

I've been reading the manual and it suggests that the MD only accepts any
given sysex packed if it has been specifically and manually asked to do so.
Is this true and is this what you are referring to ?

Arno

Hello Arno,

AvG> What exactly where the limitations you ran across ?

Several limitations...

1. In the byte sequence for patch names, some sort of padding character
data is being used; the name be downloaded properly, but the patch will
become corrupt if you try to edit the character data in SoundDiver.

2. Again with the character data, some sort of extended ASCII
characters are being used for special characters, and  I do not have
the mappings.

3. Patch swapping cannot occur.  The MD hard-codes the kit/pattern
location in the patch itself, so when the data is sent back, it always
gets put to the original location it came from.  The only way to
override this is by manually specifying the memory location on the
unit itself in the SysEx REC page.


AvG> I've been reading the manual and it suggests that the MD only accepts any
AvG> given sysex packed if it has been specifically and manually asked to do so.
AvG> Is this true and is this what you are referring to ?

Yes, this is the biggest drawback.  You cannot have the MD go into
auto-request mode.  The user must manually enter the SysEx REC
page in order to send data.


I am really hoping Elektron changes its SysEx implementation...


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 Adam
 adam@...

Hello Eric,

Saturday, July 6, 2002, 8:30:45 PM, you wrote:

EP> Awesome! is this available?

I haven't posted it anywhere yet, as I was hoping for a more robust
adaptation before releasing it.  Frankly, with the limitations of the
SysEx on MD coupled with SoundDiver, the adaptation is currently only
good for backup and restore without having to send/receive the entire
memory contents.  In other words, the main use for it in this state is
being able to backup and restore single memory locations...  hardly
flexible at all, but does save some time in the backup and restore
process if you are only interested in specific data versus the entire
memory of the MD.

Of course, the entire memory can be backed up too using it.

Send me your private email address and I will send you a copy - just
keep these limitations in mind when using it.

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Best regards,
 Adam

That sounds awesome... I use SoundDiver extensively with my Ensoniq 
Fizmo and E-Mu E-6400... Would love to use it with the MD, too.  Do 
you know what's going to happen with SoundDiver, though?  Apple just 
announced that they're going to cut support for PC versions of 
Logic.  I wonder if they're going to do the same w/ SD?


--- In elektron-users@y..., Adam Watson <adam@s...> wrote:
> I have created a preliminary adaptation for SoundDiver to handle
> Global data, Kits, Patterns, and Song dumps...  however, due to the
> way the the MD currently handles patch dumps / receives via SysEx,
> it would be very difficult to create an editor that is flexible 
enough

> to satisfy most user needs.
> 
> I have written Elektron about this, and hopefully we will see some
> changes in the SysEx implementation so that a more robust adaptation
> or standalone editor/librarian can be made.
> 
> 
> Adam

I'd be happy to send over the minimal adaptation I have so far if
you'd like to try it out.  As I stated before, so far its really only
good for backup and restore of select slots of data, instead of having
to do bulk dumps...  but it is more convenient and time saving in this
manner.  Also helps in being able to copy Global data to different
slots instead of recreating your MIDI maps by hand...

As for SoundDiver, I do not know what its fate will be for sure - who
really does?   I can say, though, that since SoundDiver has a
Macintosh port, that it will probably remain alive - at least, for
that platform. From the sounds of the press releases, I don't think we
can count on a PC version being developed for far into the future, though.
Apple has made it fairly clear that the Windows line of software from
Emagic will no longer be developed for after September 30.  On
Emagic's site, there is a statement that Emagic intends on providing
continuing service and support to Logic Windows owners... so maybe
we'll see support and maintenance for the current release of
SoundDiver?


Time will tell, I suppose...


Adam



Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 9:25:17 AM, you wrote:

m> \ufffd That sounds awesome... I use SoundDiver extensively with my Ensoniq 
m> Fizmo and E-Mu E-6400... Would love to use it with the MD, too.\ufffd Do 
m> you know what's going to happen with SoundDiver, though?\ufffd Apple just 
m> announced that they're going to cut support for PC versions of 
m> Logic.\ufffd I wonder if they're going to do the same w/ SD?


m> --- In elektron-users@y..., Adam Watson <adam@s...> wrote:
>> I have created a preliminary adaptation for SoundDiver to handle
>> Global data, Kits, Patterns, and Song dumps...\ufffd however, due to the
>> way the the MD currently handles patch dumps / receives via SysEx,
>> it would be very difficult to create an editor that is flexible 
m> enough
>> to satisfy most user needs.
>> 
>> I have written Elektron about this, and hopefully we will see some
>> changes in the SysEx implementation so that a more robust adaptation
>> or standalone editor/librarian can be made.
>> 
>> 
>> Adam




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