Elektron Musical Instruments

> hmm...I am curious why they say these are 'new' products.  They seem
> more like hardware revisions with one added feature on each the MnM
> and MD.  I am surprised that they still offer a non-UW MD..
>
> the MnM wave loading looks cool, depending on how its implemented and
> when it is - its not actually included yet.  I dont ever trust 'coming
> soon' in a list of features...
>
> color me a little let down.
>
> Tony
>



True, I understand those sentiments. I was hoping for a brand new box, but
I'll take the 64-step seq for now. I'm hoping that since the HW has been
upgraded that we may be able to see more advanced features added in the near
future via OS updates.


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I'm actually a little upset to be honest, since in the past Elektron
had said they would not release updated versions of their products.
That was one reason I didn't mind shelling out $1700 on a drum
machine, there was no chance it would be 'outdated' in couple years by
a newer model.  Sure the originals are not useless or outdated, but I
think people know what I mean.

At least the UW aspects were available as retrofits, I hope that it's
possible for the older SPS-1's can at least get the 64 step
sequencing...

On 11/13/07, Robert Krueger <robert.krueger@...> wrote:
> > hmm...I am curious why they say these are 'new' products.  They seem
> > more like hardware revisions with one added feature on each the MnM
> > and MD.  I am surprised that they still offer a non-UW MD..
> >
> > the MnM wave loading looks cool, depending on how its implemented and
> > when it is - its not actually included yet.  I dont ever trust 'coming
> > soon' in a list of features...
> >
> > color me a little let down.
> >
> > Tony
> >
>
>
>
> True, I understand those sentiments. I was hoping for a brand new box, but
> I'll take the 64-step seq for now. I'm hoping that since the HW has been
> upgraded that we may be able to see more advanced features added in the near
> future via OS updates.
>
>
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I second you on that.... i was hopping for a new machine not an  
upgraded version.... elektron could have done better than...


  i'm sure the 64 steps can be done in the OS....

the shadow of the endless upgrade nightmare of the software companies  
has finally reached the hardware makers?

Rui

On 13 Nov 2007, at 15:17, Tarekith wrote:

> I'm actually a little upset to be honest, since in the past Elektron
> had said they would not release updated versions of their products.
> That was one reason I didn't mind shelling out $1700 on a drum
> machine, there was no chance it would be 'outdated' in couple years by
> a newer model.  Sure the originals are not useless or outdated, but I
> think people know what I mean.
>
> At least the UW aspects were available as retrofits, I hope that it's
> possible for the older SPS-1's can at least get the 64 step
> sequencing...
>
> On 11/13/07, Robert Krueger <robert.krueger@...> wrote:
>>> hmm...I am curious why they say these are 'new' products.  They seem
>>> more like hardware revisions with one added feature on each the MnM
>>> and MD.  I am surprised that they still offer a non-UW MD..
>>>
>>> the MnM wave loading looks cool, depending on how its implemented  
>>> and
>>> when it is - its not actually included yet.  I dont ever trust  
>>> 'coming
>>> soon' in a list of features...
>>>
>>> color me a little let down.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> True, I understand those sentiments. I was hoping for a brand new  
>> box, but
>> I'll take the 64-step seq for now. I'm hoping that since the HW  
>> has been
>> upgraded that we may be able to see more advanced features added  
>> in the near
>> future via OS updates.
>>
>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> -- 
> Tarekith
> http://tarekith.com
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i doubt the 64 step will be an upgrade.  daniel always said that it  
wasn't added in os updates because there was no way to do it without  
the proper grid indicator led's.  likewise, they never added trigless  
trigs because of the lack of tri-color led's on the md.  so adding  
the 64 step grid would prolly mean changing the interface board and  
the faceplate, which i doubt will happen.

i don't recall elektron saying they'd never upgrade their products  
(on the hardware front), but you may be correct.





On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Tarekith wrote:

> I'm actually a little upset to be honest, since in the past Elektron
> had said they would not release updated versions of their products.
> That was one reason I didn't mind shelling out $1700 on a drum
> machine, there was no chance it would be 'outdated' in couple years by
> a newer model. Sure the originals are not useless or outdated, but I
> think people know what I mean.
>
> At least the UW aspects were available as retrofits, I hope that it's
> possible for the older SPS-1's can at least get the 64 step
> sequencing...


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You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:

Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
Bar 4 - LED 2 solid

On 11/13/07, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> i doubt the 64 step will be an upgrade.  daniel always said that it
> wasn't added in os updates because there was no way to do it without
> the proper grid indicator led's.  likewise, they never added trigless
> trigs because of the lack of tri-color led's on the md.  so adding
> the 64 step grid would prolly mean changing the interface board and
> the faceplate, which i doubt will happen.
>
> i don't recall elektron saying they'd never upgrade their products
> (on the hardware front), but you may be correct.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Tarekith wrote:
>
> > I'm actually a little upset to be honest, since in the past Elektron
> > had said they would not release updated versions of their products.
> > That was one reason I didn't mind shelling out $1700 on a drum
> > machine, there was no chance it would be 'outdated' in couple years by
> > a newer model. Sure the originals are not useless or outdated, but I
> > think people know what I mean.
> >
> > At least the UW aspects were available as retrofits, I hope that it's
> > possible for the older SPS-1's can at least get the 64 step
> > sequencing...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I guess we should all just be happy that elektron is still alive as a  
company, but I do want user waves in my MnM! though certainly not  
going the sell the SFX-6 to get it, although...


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

> i doubt the 64 step will be an upgrade. daniel always said that it
> wasn't added in os updates because there was no way to do it without
> the proper grid indicator led's. likewise, they never added trigless
> trigs because of the lack of tri-color led's on the md. so adding
> the 64 step grid would prolly mean changing the interface board and
> the faceplate, which i doubt will happen.
>
> i don't recall elektron saying they'd never upgrade their products
> (on the hardware front), but you may be correct.
>


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where's the memory for this to come from?  you immediately just  
halved the number of patterns you can store.

i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their  
beautiful and well thought-out interface.  but that's just my $.02





On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:

> You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
>
> Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
> Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
> Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
> Bar 4 - LED 2 solid


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I was very happy when I could upgrade my MD SPS1 to a U/W by simply replacing the Main Board.

When can I upgrade to a MK2!!

probably when a MK3 is released and everyone wants to sell MK2's

Anyone wanna buy a MD U/W MK1 ?

I still have the SPS1 Main Board, I should sell my SPS1 and sell the U/W Upgrade board seperately to save up for the MK2....

Oh well, I have ALWAYS wanted 64 steps...

-JC


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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] RE : Woot!!!


where's the memory for this to come from? you immediately just 
halved the number of patterns you can store.

i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their 
beautiful and well thought-out interface. but that's just my $.02

On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:

> You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
>
> Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
> Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
> Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
> Bar 4 - LED 2 solid

Joseph Melnyk wrote:
> 
> 
> where's the memory for this to come from? you immediately just
> halved the number of patterns you can store.
> 
> i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their
> beautiful and well thought-out interface. but that's just my $.02
> 
> On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:
> 
>  > You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
>  >
>  > Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
>  > Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
>  > Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
>  > Bar 4 - LED 2 solid
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 

Well, another option is to use led 1 & 2 to represent pattern 1&2, and 
then have the 1/16-led lit and 1 & 2 representing 3 & 4 respectively.

About the memory, well, I'd take 64 patterns with 64 steps over 128 
patterns with 32 steps. However, why not make it user selectable, like a 
global setting. You could just chain say pattenr A1 and E1, A2 and E2 
and so on, so in 64-pattern mode you can only access bank A-D. Pattern 
A1 has 64 steps, and the 32 last of those are stored (physically so to 
speak) in the E1 pattern (although you reach it using the page select 
button, and it behaves like a 64 step pattern). Pattern A2 is linked to 
E2 and so on. If you then change to 32 step patterns, hey presto, banks 
E-H are selectable again, and containing the second halves of your 64 
step patterns...

Just my 2...

/Patrik

I always thought that electron should take a page from JoMoX and just
add a 'last step' parameter.

on the JoMoX, this let you 'overflow' into the next pattern.  in this
way, each pattern only had 32 steps, but you could go to as many as
128 by setting that parameter.  if you set it to 64, for example, it
would play the 32 steps from pattern 'a1' and then immediately follow
it with pattern 'a2' as an example.

Just a thought.  takes care of the memory issue too:  let the user decide.

Tony

On Nov 13, 2007 11:11 AM, Patrik Rydan Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
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>
> Joseph Melnyk wrote:
> >
> >
> > where's the memory for this to come from? you immediately just
> > halved the number of patterns you can store.
> >
> > i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their
> > beautiful and well thought-out interface. but that's just my $.02
> >
> > On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:
> >
> > > You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
> > >
> > > Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
> > > Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
> > > Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
> > > Bar 4 - LED 2 solid
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> Well, another option is to use led 1 & 2 to represent pattern 1&2, and
> then have the 1/16-led lit and 1 & 2 representing 3 & 4 respectively.
>
> About the memory, well, I'd take 64 patterns with 64 steps over 128
> patterns with 32 steps. However, why not make it user selectable, like a
> global setting. You could just chain say pattenr A1 and E1, A2 and E2
> and so on, so in 64-pattern mode you can only access bank A-D. Pattern
> A1 has 64 steps, and the 32 last of those are stored (physically so to
> speak) in the E1 pattern (although you reach it using the page select
> button, and it behaves like a 64 step pattern). Pattern A2 is linked to
> E2 and so on. If you then change to 32 step patterns, hey presto, banks
> E-H are selectable again, and containing the second halves of your 64
> step patterns...
>
> Just my 2...
>
> /Patrik
>
>
>

I would GLADLY lose half my pattern memory for this, that's not an
issue for me at all.

On 11/13/07, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> where's the memory for this to come from?  you immediately just
> halved the number of patterns you can store.
>
> i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their
> beautiful and well thought-out interface.  but that's just my $.02
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:
>
> > You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
> >
> > Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
> > Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
> > Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
> > Bar 4 - LED 2 solid
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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what is wrong with chaining patterns?


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It's a clumsy way of organizing if you want greater pattern length or
simplified live set up.  Obviously Elektron thought so too or they
wouldn't have added 32 more steps in the new versions.

On 11/13/07, rory st john <rory.stjohn@...> wrote:
> what is wrong with chaining patterns?
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So, basically, this is the want/need: ability to do a user-upgrade to MK1
MD's & MNM's to allow for 64-step patterns.  Preferably an OS-update, even
if it's going to change the amount of patterns available in memory.
Correct?

I don't see what's wrong with selling your current machines and putting that
money towards the MK2's.  It would probably cost the same amount as an
upgrade (unless it truly was a software update, in which case it would
hopefully be free and optional).




On Nov 13, 2007 2:04 PM, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:

>   It's a clumsy way of organizing if you want greater pattern length or
> simplified live set up. Obviously Elektron thought so too or they
> wouldn't have added 32 more steps in the new versions.
>
>
> On 11/13/07, rory st john <rory.stjohn@... <rory.stjohn%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > what is wrong with chaining patterns?
> >
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press patter A1 then A2 at the same time for the same effect;) 

 

Tony Scharf writes: 

> I always thought that electron should take a page from JoMoX and just
> add a 'last step' parameter. 
> 
> on the JoMoX, this let you 'overflow' into the next pattern.  in this
> way, each pattern only had 32 steps, but you could go to as many as
> 128 by setting that parameter.  if you set it to 64, for example, it
> would play the 32 steps from pattern 'a1' and then immediately follow
> it with pattern 'a2' as an example. 
> 
> Just a thought.  takes care of the memory issue too:  let the user decide. 
> 
> Tony 
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2007 11:11 AM, Patrik Rydan Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Joseph Melnyk wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > where's the memory for this to come from? you immediately just
>> > halved the number of patterns you can store.
>> >
>> > i don't see elektron shoe-horning something like this into their
>> > beautiful and well thought-out interface. but that's just my $.02
>> >
>> > On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tarekith wrote:
>> >
>> > > You can use blinking LEDs to get around the 2 bar limit:
>> > >
>> > > Bar 1 - LED 1 solid
>> > > Bar 2 - LED 2 blinks (in time with tempo?)
>> > > Bar 3 - LED 1 blinks
>> > > Bar 4 - LED 2 solid
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > 
>>
>> Well, another option is to use led 1 & 2 to represent pattern 1&2, and
>> then have the 1/16-led lit and 1 & 2 representing 3 & 4 respectively. 
>>
>> About the memory, well, I'd take 64 patterns with 64 steps over 128
>> patterns with 32 steps. However, why not make it user selectable, like a
>> global setting. You could just chain say pattenr A1 and E1, A2 and E2
>> and so on, so in 64-pattern mode you can only access bank A-D. Pattern
>> A1 has 64 steps, and the 32 last of those are stored (physically so to
>> speak) in the E1 pattern (although you reach it using the page select
>> button, and it behaves like a 64 step pattern). Pattern A2 is linked to
>> E2 and so on. If you then change to 32 step patterns, hey presto, banks
>> E-H are selectable again, and containing the second halves of your 64
>> step patterns... 
>>
>> Just my 2... 
>>
>> /Patrik 
>>
>> 
>>

At first, this update seems a bit on the thin side. I'd love to be able to have a peek in the new manual, to check out what's under the hood exactly. For instance, Elektron writes about extended control over external gear. A polyfonic midi sequencer would make this update worthwhile for me alone. I'd swap my MnM first, cos the loading of wavetables should be awsome too.

If you're listening Elektron, could you give us some more details before the Friends' offer ends??

Bye,
Jasper


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>
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>  press patter A1 then A2 at the same time for the same effect;)
>

can I save that, power down and then have the MD remember that later?  No?

well..there it is then.

Tony

as the french would say...

touched

On Nov 13, 2007 10:02 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem@...> wrote:

>    >
> >
> > press patter A1 then A2 at the same time for the same effect;)
> >
>
> can I save that, power down and then have the MD remember that later? No?
>
> well..there it is then.
>
> Tony
>
> 
>


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64 kits for 64 patterns makes more sense to me anyway :)

On 11/13/07, rory st john <rory.stjohn@...> wrote:
> as the french would say...
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> touched
>
> On Nov 13, 2007 10:02 PM, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem@...> wrote:
>
> >    >
> > >
> > > press patter A1 then A2 at the same time for the same effect;)
> > >
> >
> > can I save that, power down and then have the MD remember that later? No?
> >
> > well..there it is then.
> >
> > Tony
> >
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Eh.

An upgrade path would have been greatly appreciated - like
I'd want to use the SFX-60 build after years with the SFX-6?

Right now, all I want is a MDUW that doesn't freeze when I
put the R and P machines on the same step.  Differing track
lengths and paramater locks to CC are always on my wishlist, but I know they won't happen.  None of these require new hardware {I hope}.

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O, and two more things tha could also be fixed in software:

1. Fix the borked program change behavior, or at least
provide a sensible workaround

2. A librarian, please!

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The chain gets lost whenever you change pattern, or when you hit 
stop-play if the machinedrum runs on external sync...

/Patrik

rory st john wrote:

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> what is wrong with chaining patterns?
> 
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>

Don't you think MK1 & MkII could share the same OS ? I remember that Daniel did
not want to make alternative OS for the same machine, so maybe they can find a
way to add 64step on a MK1, and find a system with led (blink is a great idea).

The only problem i see is for the new 0.5s... the OS could maybe check the
Machinedrum version and bypass this setting if it find a MK1.

Ono