Elektron Musical Instruments

>.. cannot scroll the sound selection wheel very fast

Same problem here, the encoder is turning into an old and dirty
bastard. 

Elektron! How about posting the manufacturer and part number for both
the big alpha dial and the small encoders here on the list so people
can replace it without going through the hazzle of opening the machine
first to check what sort of part it is? 



Andreas

I barely use the big old wheel... the Function key / Drum type has always
been a faster way to get to the page I want to edit.  I'm not sure I
would even consider sending it for repair... since I had such a rotten
experience sending my MD back for the UW upgrade ($150, and lying about the
price of the unit (as suggested by elektron) to avoid getting screwed by
customs).

Somebody posted jpgs of the inside of the MD, maybe you can tell what type
of encoder it is from that.  Probably a Bourns.  Swapping it would be easy,
but getting the plastic knobs off of the other 9 delicate encoders to be
able to lift the faceplate is reportedly a risky business.  It would suck to
go through the whole surgical transplant only to find that once you've
buttoned it back together that you screwed one of your other encoders in the
process.

My advice - get to know the Function/BD Function/HH etc. shortcut.  As long
as the encoder isn't spitting random values, you can work around it easily.
Except for tempo, and a couple of other functions, it isn't used that much.

-gerald


On 4/1/06, andreas nordenstam <bergenteknomafia@...> wrote:
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> >.. cannot scroll the sound selection wheel very fast
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> Same problem here, the encoder is turning into an old and dirty
> bastard.
>
> Elektron! How about posting the manufacturer and part number for both
> the big alpha dial and the small encoders here on the list so people
> can replace it without going through the hazzle of opening the machine
> first to check what sort of part it is?
>
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> Andreas
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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"Don't use the wheel" 

That's not really what I want to hear. I got this drum because I
really like it's UI, and that includes the big wheel and the encoders.
Knowing what I know now, I will do my cutoff tweaking with my doepfer
kob box, but i wish that wasn't the case.

If you cannot carefully remove the nine knobs before lifting the
faceplate, you should most definitely have someone do that for you. I
don't think that it really is thst big a deal, but even then I'd have
my friend the electronics tech do it maybe. Or the local synth repair
guy, who is totally worth his $80CDN an hour.

I recently had some encoders replaced by elektron, and while it was
not too expensive, if I could have just bought the part i'd have had
it done in under a week probably. Plus, if I do mess it up repairing
it, it seems to me that's just cash in the bank for the repair/support
department.

What I'd like to see is better knobs. Kick the price up a hundred
bucks and give me some five-year encoders. I'd trade fancy (push in,
continuous rotary, whatever) for "lasts ten years".

Just out of curiosity does the MnM have the same encoders?  The knobs  
are definitely different, but I haven't heard of any encoders dying  
on the MnM yet.  Of course I just got my MnM so I've been mostly  
ignoring MnM related posts since it came out.

I know I prefer the feel of the MnM knobs over the MD's.  They have  
more grip to them.

c.

On Apr 3, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Tom wrote:

> "Don't use the wheel"
>
> That's not really what I want to hear. I got this drum because I
> really like it's UI, and that includes the big wheel and the encoders.
> Knowing what I know now, I will do my cutoff tweaking with my doepfer
> kob box, but i wish that wasn't the case.
>
> If you cannot carefully remove the nine knobs before lifting the
> faceplate, you should most definitely have someone do that for you. I
> don't think that it really is thst big a deal, but even then I'd have
> my friend the electronics tech do it maybe. Or the local synth repair
> guy, who is totally worth his $80CDN an hour.
>
> I recently had some encoders replaced by elektron, and while it was
> not too expensive, if I could have just bought the part i'd have had
> it done in under a week probably. Plus, if I do mess it up repairing
> it, it seems to me that's just cash in the bank for the repair/support
> department.
>
> What I'd like to see is better knobs. Kick the price up a hundred
> bucks and give me some five-year encoders. I'd trade fancy (push in,
> continuous rotary, whatever) for "lasts ten years".
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

That's one of my only complaints about the MD knobs, they are kinda
slippery.  In a hot and sweaty club they can be a bit slick.  I was
thinking of putting some type of rubberized coating, or scoring some
vertical lines on the knobs eventually...

On 4/3/06, Corey Appleby <digitalwank@...> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity does the MnM have the same encoders?  The knobs
> are definitely different, but I haven't heard of any encoders dying
> on the MnM yet.  Of course I just got my MnM so I've been mostly
> ignoring MnM related posts since it came out.
>
> I know I prefer the feel of the MnM knobs over the MD's.  They have
> more grip to them.
>


--
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

We are using the highest specified encoders available. They should
last generally at least 100.000 turns, and that is a quite a high
number for encoders. Believe me, we know more than what is common when
it comes to encoders, we have tried close to all available. We need
the push-function for the interface with locks&speed-shift, so that
rules out some.

Over the years we have worked together with the factory and with
decoding techniques to improve the feeling and working life further.
The Monomachine and the Machinedrum use the same type of encoders, but
the Machinedrum have been available for longer, and therefore have
been equiped with encoders from more different production batches.
Someone who bought their Machinedrum and Monomachine years apart might
have units with different feelings, and possibly total encoder-life-span.

The interface of the Machinedrum invites intense editing, and thats
why people notice them wearing out, whereas they might not for other
instruments. Although encoders are notoriously known for breaking down
on many synths even though used a fraction of the Machinedrum (Yamaha
A3-4-5000 samplers, Waldorf Q I think).

The encoders we use are not an off-the-shelf that can be bought
wherever. But if you want your local tech to exchange them (out of
warranty supposedly) rather than us we can supply them. We offer
repair facilities at self cost more or less, so it's not like we
aspire for the units to break down so we can get them back and repair
them. If I would choose I'd like them all to have an eternal life!

Daniel, Elektron


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <user29a@...> wrote:

>
> "Don't use the wheel" 
> 
> That's not really what I want to hear. I got this drum because I
> really like it's UI, and that includes the big wheel and the encoders.
> Knowing what I know now, I will do my cutoff tweaking with my doepfer
> kob box, but i wish that wasn't the case.
> 
> If you cannot carefully remove the nine knobs before lifting the
> faceplate, you should most definitely have someone do that for you. I
> don't think that it really is thst big a deal, but even then I'd have
> my friend the electronics tech do it maybe. Or the local synth repair
> guy, who is totally worth his $80CDN an hour.
> 
> I recently had some encoders replaced by elektron, and while it was
> not too expensive, if I could have just bought the part i'd have had
> it done in under a week probably. Plus, if I do mess it up repairing
> it, it seems to me that's just cash in the bank for the repair/support
> department.
> 
> What I'd like to see is better knobs. Kick the price up a hundred
> bucks and give me some five-year encoders. I'd trade fancy (push in,
> continuous rotary, whatever) for "lasts ten years".
>

i have had a couple of data wheels wear out or start playing up. i was
wondering.. if they are optical, could they be affected by smoke in
the studio or club?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@...>
wrote:
>
> 
> We are using the highest specified encoders available. They should
> last generally at least 100.000 turns, and that is a quite a high
> number for encoders. Believe me, we know more than what is common when
> it comes to encoders, we have tried close to all available. We need
> the push-function for the interface with locks&speed-shift, so that
> rules out some.
> 
> Over the years we have worked together with the factory and with
> decoding techniques to improve the feeling and working life further.
> The Monomachine and the Machinedrum use the same type of encoders, but
> the Machinedrum have been available for longer, and therefore have
> been equiped with encoders from more different production batches.
> Someone who bought their Machinedrum and Monomachine years apart might
> have units with different feelings, and possibly total
encoder-life-span.

> 
> The interface of the Machinedrum invites intense editing, and thats
> why people notice them wearing out, whereas they might not for other
> instruments. Although encoders are notoriously known for breaking down
> on many synths even though used a fraction of the Machinedrum (Yamaha
> A3-4-5000 samplers, Waldorf Q I think).
> 
> The encoders we use are not an off-the-shelf that can be bought
> wherever. But if you want your local tech to exchange them (out of
> warranty supposedly) rather than us we can supply them. We offer
> repair facilities at self cost more or less, so it's not like we
> aspire for the units to break down so we can get them back and repair
> them. If I would choose I'd like them all to have an eternal life!
> 
> Daniel, Elektron
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <user29a@> wrote:
> >
> > "Don't use the wheel" 
> > 
> > That's not really what I want to hear. I got this drum because I
> > really like it's UI, and that includes the big wheel and the encoders.
> > Knowing what I know now, I will do my cutoff tweaking with my doepfer
> > kob box, but i wish that wasn't the case.
> > 
> > If you cannot carefully remove the nine knobs before lifting the
> > faceplate, you should most definitely have someone do that for you. I
> > don't think that it really is thst big a deal, but even then I'd have
> > my friend the electronics tech do it maybe. Or the local synth repair
> > guy, who is totally worth his $80CDN an hour.
> > 
> > I recently had some encoders replaced by elektron, and while it was
> > not too expensive, if I could have just bought the part i'd have had
> > it done in under a week probably. Plus, if I do mess it up repairing
> > it, it seems to me that's just cash in the bank for the repair/support
> > department.
> > 
> > What I'd like to see is better knobs. Kick the price up a hundred
> > bucks and give me some five-year encoders. I'd trade fancy (push in,
> > continuous rotary, whatever) for "lasts ten years".
> >
>

The encoders are electrical, not optical. For some reason optical
encoders are dead expensive. Plus that we have not found any that
meets our requirements.

The environment should not have so much impact on their life-span, but
maybe being in a smokey studio for some years, or in a very humid
environment I guess there is a slight possibility they could be
affected. But it's more probable not.

The Machinedrum is designed to be used on stage or in a club, so that
kind of environment should be OK.

Daniel, Elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "analogback" <gehayman@...> wrote:

>
> i have had a couple of data wheels wear out or start playing up. i was
> wondering.. if they are optical, could they be affected by smoke in
> the studio or club?

Hello

A little hardtech real time impro to test my new UW extension... MD and nothing
else :)

http://onosendai.free.fr/zic/Onosendai_UW_impro.mp3

a+

Ono

Fun stuff man, i think we all did similar when first getting the UW :)

On 4/13/06, onosendai@... <onosendai@...> wrote:
> Hello
>
> A little hardtech real time impro to test my new UW extension... MD and nothing
> else :)
>
> http://onosendai.free.fr/zic/Onosendai_UW_impro.mp3
>
> a+
>
> Ono

--
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com