Elektron Musical Instruments

Just happened to me. All patterns + my own samples gone.

What happened? For some reason the UW has locked up totally when playing 
patterns with the RAM-machines in them. My guess is that playing the 
"play" machines before anything has been sampled with the "record" machine 
makes it lock up.

Anyway. The UW locked up (as usual) when playing such a pattern straight 
from booting up. DSP lock up, complete with annoying high pitched sound. 
Turn it off, turn it back on. Automatically the factory reset starts...

Anyone who has had similar experiences? Anyone that can explain this 
behaviour?

/Janne

The only explanation I have for this is that Elektron machines, while 
great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates usually resolve 
some of these bugs, but surface others.

What bothers me most is the 'code of silence' Elektron users share 
and follow. Lets face it, if any company released machines with such 
problems they would be out of bussiness soon, but Elektron doesnt, 
and its something that still makes me wonder why.

I love my Elektron machines, both my machinedrum and monomachine, but 
I would love even more if Elektron released a final OS for both with 
no bugs at all. 

It pains me to hear all sort of new features to be added on the 
machines, or new product releases by Elektron, while their old and 
VERY EXPENSIVE stuff is still unfinished and buggy.

Please Elektron: finish your stuff. Get rid of bugs for once and 
simply close the OS's on monomachine and machinedrum. The best new 
feature you could include in both your machines would be a bugless, 
crash proof OS.

Thanks

PD: I know I'll get flamed for this post, but its my personal 
opinion, and its backed up by my personal experience.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" <jgb@c...> 
wrote:
> Just happened to me. All patterns + my own samples gone.
> 
> What happened? For some reason the UW has locked up totally when 
playing 
> patterns with the RAM-machines in them. My guess is that playing 
the 
> "play" machines before anything has been sampled with the "record" 
machine 
> makes it lock up.
> 
> Anyway. The UW locked up (as usual) when playing such a pattern 
straight 
> from booting up. DSP lock up, complete with annoying high pitched 
sound. 
> Turn it off, turn it back on. Automatically the factory reset 
starts...
> 
> Anyone who has had similar experiences? Anyone that can explain 
this 

> behaviour?
> 
> /Janne

they should've sworn you in to the oath of silence
before they shipped your drum. 

but I don't think you can handle the truth


--- microkorg666 <glamourofviolence@...>
wrote:

> The only explanation I have for this is that
> Elektron machines, while 
> great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates
> usually resolve 
> some of these bugs, but surface others.
> 
> What bothers me most is the 'code of silence'
> Elektron users share 
> and follow. Lets face it, if any company released
> machines with such 
> problems they would be out of bussiness soon, but
> Elektron doesnt, 
> and its something that still makes me wonder why.
> 
> I love my Elektron machines, both my machinedrum and
> monomachine, but 
> I would love even more if Elektron released a final
> OS for both with 
> no bugs at all. 
> 
> It pains me to hear all sort of new features to be
> added on the 
> machines, or new product releases by Elektron, while
> their old and 
> VERY EXPENSIVE stuff is still unfinished and buggy.
> 
> Please Elektron: finish your stuff. Get rid of bugs
> for once and 
> simply close the OS's on monomachine and
> machinedrum. The best new 
> feature you could include in both your machines
> would be a bugless, 
> crash proof OS.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> PD: I know I'll get flamed for this post, but its my
> personal 
> opinion, and its backed up by my personal
> experience.
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son
> Berg" <jgb@c...> 
> wrote:
> > Just happened to me. All patterns + my own samples
> gone.
> > 
> > What happened? For some reason the UW has locked
> up totally when 
> playing 
> > patterns with the RAM-machines in them. My guess
> is that playing 
> the 
> > "play" machines before anything has been sampled
> with the "record" 
> machine 
> > makes it lock up.
> > 
> > Anyway. The UW locked up (as usual) when playing
> such a pattern 
> straight 
> > from booting up. DSP lock up, complete with
> annoying high pitched 
> sound. 
> > Turn it off, turn it back on. Automatically the
> factory reset 
> starts...
> > 
> > Anyone who has had similar experiences? Anyone
> that can explain 
> this 
> > behaviour?
> > 
> > /Janne
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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I'm not sure what the 'code of silence' is.  There is an official UW 
thread on the Elektron-Users board that is intended to expose bugs in 
the current OS.  Elektron actively solicits bug reports.  Perhaps you 
should try reporting your problems to this list, the Web forum, and 
Elektron itself in order to move forward in correcting the issues you 
are experiencing.

/Scott

kenny brush wrote:
> they should've sworn you in to the oath of silence
> before they shipped your drum. 
> 
> but I don't think you can handle the truth
> 
> 
> --- microkorg666 <glamourofviolence@...>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The only explanation I have for this is that
>>Elektron machines, while 
>>great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates
>>usually resolve 
>>some of these bugs, but surface others.
>>
>>What bothers me most is the 'code of silence'
>>Elektron users share 
>>and follow. Lets face it, if any company released
>>machines with such 
>>problems they would be out of bussiness soon, but
>>Elektron doesnt, 
>>and its something that still makes me wonder why.
>>
>>I love my Elektron machines, both my machinedrum and
>>monomachine, but 
>>I would love even more if Elektron released a final
>>OS for both with 
>>no bugs at all. 
>>
>>It pains me to hear all sort of new features to be
>>added on the 
>>machines, or new product releases by Elektron, while
>>their old and 
>>VERY EXPENSIVE stuff is still unfinished and buggy.
>>
>>Please Elektron: finish your stuff. Get rid of bugs
>>for once and 
>>simply close the OS's on monomachine and
>>machinedrum. The best new 
>>feature you could include in both your machines
>>would be a bugless, 
>>crash proof OS.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>PD: I know I'll get flamed for this post, but its my
>>personal 
>>opinion, and its backed up by my personal
>>experience.
>>
>>
>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son
>>Berg" <jgb@c...> 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Just happened to me. All patterns + my own samples
>>
>>gone.
>>
>>>What happened? For some reason the UW has locked
>>
>>up totally when 
>>playing 
>>
>>>patterns with the RAM-machines in them. My guess
>>
>>is that playing 
>>the 
>>
>>>"play" machines before anything has been sampled
>>
>>with the "record" 
>>machine 
>>
>>>makes it lock up.
>>>
>>>Anyway. The UW locked up (as usual) when playing
>>
>>such a pattern 
>>straight 
>>
>>>from booting up. DSP lock up, complete with
>>
>>annoying high pitched 
>>sound. 
>>
>>>Turn it off, turn it back on. Automatically the
>>
>>factory reset 
>>starts...
>>
>>>Anyone who has had similar experiences? Anyone
>>
>>that can explain 
>>this 
>>
>>>behaviour?
>>>
>>>/Janne
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 		
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I never got a code of silence. Did you guys? They must have forgot to pack it in with my sidstation.

Anyhow, when I find a bug, I figure out how to make the bug happen. I write the instructions down and I send them to Elektron. Next time they release an OS, the bug is fixed. This has never failed me so far - I keep a list of bugs I have reported and cross them off when they are fixed. They're all crossed off right now, but I am about to report a couple of new ones (one in page copy, and some kind of multi-lock bug).

Really, the most time consuming part for me is making the bug happen again in as few steps as possible. Sometimes it is hard to remember what you just did, in the heat of creation. And then you go online and post a vague complaint about "all the bugs". You should resist, though. Make good bug reports!

>Lets face it, if any company released machines with such
>problems they would be out of bussiness soon
I'll tell microsoft, ford, and intel the bad news.

I hope this was flamey enough for you,
-Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: microkorg666 <glamourofviolence@...>
Sent: Aug 29, 2005 11:31 AM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [elektron] Re: Unprovoked factory reset of UW

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The only explanation I have for this is that Elektron machines, while <BR>
great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates usually resolve <BR>
some of these bugs, but surface others.<BR>
<BR>
What bothers me most is the 'code of silence' Elektron users share <BR>
and follow. Lets face it, if any company released machines with such <BR>
problems they would be out of bussiness soon, but Elektron doesnt, <BR>
and its something that still makes me wonder why.<BR>
<BR>
I love my Elektron machines, both my machinedrum and monomachine, but <BR>
I would love even more if Elektron released a final OS for both with <BR>
no bugs at all. <BR>
<BR>
It pains me to hear all sort of new features to be added on the <BR>
machines, or new product releases by Elektron, while their old and <BR>
VERY EXPENSIVE stuff is still unfinished and buggy.<BR>
<BR>
Please Elektron: finish your stuff. Get rid of bugs for once and <BR>
simply close the OS's on monomachine and machinedrum. The best new <BR>
feature you could include in both your machines would be a bugless, <BR>
crash proof OS.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks<BR>
<BR>
PD: I know I'll get flamed for this post, but its my personal <BR>
opinion, and its backed up by my personal experience.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" <jgb@c...> <BR>
wrote:<BR>
> Just happened to me. All patterns + my own samples gone.<BR>
> <BR>
> What happened? For some reason the UW has locked up totally when <BR>
playing <BR>
> patterns with the RAM-machines in them. My guess is that playing <BR>
the <BR>
> "play" machines before anything has been sampled with the "record" <BR>
machine <BR>
> makes it lock up.<BR>
> <BR>
> Anyway. The UW locked up (as usual) when playing such a pattern <BR>
straight <BR>
> from booting up. DSP lock up, complete with annoying high pitched <BR>
sound. <BR>
> Turn it off, turn it back on. Automatically the factory reset <BR>
starts...<BR>
> <BR>
> Anyone who has had similar experiences? Anyone that can explain <BR>
this <BR>
> behaviour?<BR>
> <BR>
> /Janne<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</tt>


  

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "microkorg666"
<glamourofviolence@h...> 
wrote:
> The only explanation I have for this is that Elektron machines,
while 
> great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates usually
resolve 
> some of these bugs, but surface others.

if an OS is listed as being "beta" (as this one is) then you should
expect bugs.  if you don't want to help debug the OS, don't install it.

Elektron actively work towards fixing their bugs.  they beta-test in
small circles for months before releasing updates to the public.
once doing so, they continue to update as bugs are reported.
if the bug can be recreated, you can bet your ass they'll fix it.
it's the quirky ones and the ones where people don't remember
what they did beforehand that linger.  and even in those cases,
Elektron will work with you to try to figure out just what you were
doing, in hopes of recreating and then fixing it.  they want their
OS's to be bug free just as much as we do (if not more).
 
> What bothers me most is the 'code of silence' Elektron users share 
> and follow. Lets face it, if any company released machines with
such 
> problems they would be out of bussiness soon, but Elektron doesnt, 
> and its something that still makes me wonder why.

this is utter bullshit, nothing else.  there's no code of silence.
and it's unfair of you to point the finger at other users who try
their best to help Elektron debug their OS's (rather than just
whining that they're not perfect).  no matter how much we love
these machines, we still spent money on them and we still write
music with them and we want them to be the best that they can.
so we report any problems that arise and try to be constructive
about it, rather than just blaming Elektron.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, microkorg666 wrote:

> The only explanation I have for this is that Elektron machines, while
> great, are also infested with bugs. Their OS updates usually resolve
> some of these bugs, but surface others.

As bugfixes inherently does. Trust me, I'm working with QA at a software 
company. There is no such thing as bugfree software.

I've gotten direct response from Elektron. The bug has probably been fixed 
in OS 1.29c, I'm running 1.29. Have tried to reproduce the bugs with the 
freezing patterns for a couple of hours now, but no such "luck".

Tomorrow I'll do the upgrade to OS 1.29d, hopefully this will not happen 
to anyone else.

/Janne

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Janne G:son Berg wrote:

> I've gotten direct response from Elektron. The bug has probably been fixed
> in OS 1.29c, I'm running 1.29. Have tried to reproduce the bugs with the
> freezing patterns for a couple of hours now, but no such "luck".

Just had a look at the elektron-users forum, a guy there has had the same 
problem as me, very similar pattern setup.

http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=347&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=26
(or http://shorl.com/femohorakaga for those who do not like long URLs)

/Janne