Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi.

using MNMv1.03. Desktop version.

Sends out a fine midi clock, just won't sync to an incoming clock.

All settings seem to be correct, it just doesn't want to do it.

Clock is being provided by my Roland SBX-80, a very stable clock.

The frustrating thing is that even thought the MnM doesn't want to sync to the 
incoming clock it passes it out from its midi thru to my MD and then the MD locks 
up beautifully with the SBX-80!!!!!!!

So, the incoming clock is perfect, it's just that the software on the MNM sucks ass 
when it comes to reading the clock I guess.

Anyone had a similar problem?

I'm really getting the feeling that the MnM is an expensive peice of garbage. the 
sounds are poor, weak envelopes, not quick enough for really punchy basses. I've 
been finding it very unsatisfactory to work with.

The only upside is that the sequencer is pretty unique and has a really nice feel. 

Generally though, I'm not having much love for the MnM right now.

If anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Donnacha.

On Nov 20, 2004, at 2:32 PM, donnachaminimise wrote:

>  So, the incoming clock is perfect, it's just that the software on the 
> MNM sucks ass
>  when it comes to reading the clock I guess.

actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I guess)

make sure that in the global menu you have control->control in->tempo 
sync
set to "ext midi clk" and it should be fine.  you also might want to 
turn the
acceptance of transport and prgm change messages.

>  I'm really getting the feeling that the MnM is an expensive peice of 
> garbage. the
>  sounds are poor, weak envelopes, not quick enough for really punchy 
> basses. I've
>  been finding it very unsatisfactory to work with.

I disagree but then again, not every synth is made for everyone.  if 
you're unhappy
with it then put it on eBay.  there are several others who would be 
much happier
with it and would enjoy purchasing a slightly discounted one from you.
"and when I'm lying in my bed, I think about life and I think about 
death.  and neither one particularly appeals to me." - the smiths

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 2004, at 2:32 PM, donnachaminimise wrote:
> 
> >  So, the incoming clock is perfect, it's just that the software on the 
> > MNM sucks ass when it comes to reading the clock I guess.
> 
> actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I guess)

No, actually, I was right. 1.03 has known issues dealing with midi clock when 
there is swing in your sequences. So, the MnM v1.03 is unusable as a slave!

It is dealt with in 1.04 which I loaded and this solved the problem. 

Why do companies release things that aren't properly debugged?

> actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I guess)>

What is that supposed to be?

> make sure that in the global menu you have control->control in->tempo 
> sync set to "ext midi clk" and it should be fine.  you also might want to 
> turn the acceptance of transport and prgm change messages.
 
Of course, I had done this.

Donnacha.

PEBKAC, a common phrase in the tech support world: "Problem exists
between keyboard and chair".

How are you getting on with the machinedrum Donnacha?

-Stephen

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:48:17 -0000, donnachaminimise <d@...> wrote:


>  > actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I guess)>
  
>  What is that supposed to be?

-- 
http://www.skkatter.net

> PEBKAC, a common phrase in the tech support world: "Problem exists
> between keyboard and chair".>>


Hey, thanks stephen. 

I would have much preferred if the smartass who mistakenly identified my 
problem with the monomachine as <PEBKAC> had actually given me some 
constructive help instead of assuming I'm a moron! It would also have been good 
if elektron had bothered to install the current OS instead of leaving me to update 
it. Oh well.

As for the machinedrum... I would say it's OK. I'm happier with it than I am with 
the monomachine.

I must admit to feeling slightly ripped off with both of them though. 

Nice build, nice styling but those things don't really make up for the shortcomings 
IMHO.

I really prefer my older machines but I'm prepared to stick with the mm/md as 
I'm trying to change my work methods at the moment. I'm really having a hard 
time learning to love them though.

Donnacha.



 
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, skkatter <skkatter@g...> wrote:
> PEBKAC, a common phrase in the tech support world: "Problem exists
> between keyboard and chair".
> 
> How are you getting on with the machinedrum Donnacha?
> 
> -Stephen
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:48:17 -0000, donnachaminimise <
d@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> >  > actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I guess)>
>   
> >  What is that supposed to be?
> 
> -- 
> http://www.skkatter.net

I'm surprised you say you are more happy with the MD.  I love using it
so much after spending years with an MPC2000.  It's short comings (no
live external midi record) aren't that big of a deal(have a different
sequencer to record live notes).  It is so easy to come up with
something and it's so fun to use.  Yet it is also quite open that it
requires you to be creative to make something good on it.  You also
learn alot more as your combine parameters and find little tweaks. 
I'm planning on getting rid of my ms2000r and Access Indigo 2 but the
MD will be with me for life.

You have to bear in mind the MnM is quite new and Elektron is quite
small.  They'll fix it but it will take time.  You should also send
any questions or comments to them by way of support@....  They
will send you a personal reply in a day or so.

I don't know if it says in the MnM manual but in the MD manual it
suggests that you use the MD clock as the master.  Using both I
wouldn't know what to say, I don't have the MnM.  I guess I would use
the MD as master since it has less bugs I suppose.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "donnachaminimise" <d@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > PEBKAC, a common phrase in the tech support world: "Problem exists
> > between keyboard and chair".>>
> 
> 
> Hey, thanks stephen. 
> 
> I would have much preferred if the smartass who mistakenly
identified my 
> problem with the monomachine as <PEBKAC> had actually given me some 
> constructive help instead of assuming I'm a moron! It would also
have been good 
> if elektron had bothered to install the current OS instead of
leaving me to update 
> it. Oh well.
> 
> As for the machinedrum... I would say it's OK. I'm happier with it
than I am with 
> the monomachine.
> 
> I must admit to feeling slightly ripped off with both of them though. 
> 
> Nice build, nice styling but those things don't really make up for
the shortcomings 
> IMHO.
> 
> I really prefer my older machines but I'm prepared to stick with the
mm/md as 
> I'm trying to change my work methods at the moment. I'm really
having a hard 
> time learning to love them though.
> 
> Donnacha.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, skkatter <skkatter@g...> wrote:
> > PEBKAC, a common phrase in the tech support world: "Problem exists
> > between keyboard and chair".
> > 
> > How are you getting on with the machinedrum Donnacha?
> > 
> > -Stephen
> > 
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:48:17 -0000, donnachaminimise <
> d@...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >  > actually, it sounds like PEBKAC to me....  (or "PEBMnMAC" I
guess)>

> >   
> > >  What is that supposed to be?
> > 
> > -- 
> > http://www.skkatter.net

I've started mapping a MIDI controller to various functions of the MnM. 
  I noticed that a parameter's display is not updated when it is changed 
via MIDI,  same goes for track mutes, etc.

Seems a little strange that it works this way, the status of the 
monomachine can get out of sync with what the LEDs say it's doing.

cheers
ripe