Elektron Musical Instruments

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <synthysyzor@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you, Sad Robot, that I would like to see it fixed if
possible, too.  This issue in reality lies with the expertise of
Elektron's firmware designers, and the motivation of their bosses to
have them look at if it can be fixed.
> 
> To be honest, most of the time I apply a generous amount of swing to
my internal MD-UW patterns, so I personally never noticed the slop. 
But if you don't use swing and sequence straight percussion patterns
in sync with other devices playing straight patterns with identical
sounds, I can understand how you would not only hear it but be upset
with the Machinedrum performance.
> 
> Also, I want to add that I find it disturbing how many people who
are criticizing and deriding the people that have the guts to report
that this bug exist and that it be fixed.  It's a strange, almost
"Elektron herd" mentality (forget about Elektron friends?!) in terms
of dismissing a technical problem or negative connotation because it's
a fundamental flaw in their favorite gear company/brand.  Sure, the
Machinedrum is my favorite, too... but remember that all of us are
consumers, and we have the right to *ahem* report bugs and flaws in
our products.  Nobody should be belittling us at a personal level.
> 
> I really hate to see personal bullying going on, but this is
somewhat ridiculous.  If you want to throw personal flames and have
schoolyard catfights, go somewhere else.
> 
> This is a professional-grade premium Drum Machine product and
deserves professional-level criticism from consumers and appropriate
support from the manufacturer.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sad1robot2003 
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:38 AM
>   Subject: [elektron] THE MD SPS-1 timing debate issue
> 
> 
>   Last week i purchased a SPS1-uw and fell in love with it out of
the box.Playing/ 
>   programming it for hours on end ~by itself it has tons of
character. the timing 
>   randomness i could FEEL right off the bat. The night before buying
it i spotted the thread 
>   about the Timing fluctuations in the sound triggering dept. of the
MDs internal 
>   sequencer.hmmm i thought, cant be that bad~ oh how wrong ~how high
my hopes were ~ 
>   I syncd it to my roland orchestra of midi clock/ Din syncd
drummachines and i was sadly 
>   aware of the Timing issue.Here is where i notice it most: i have
an 808 & 909 pattern 
>   running in tandem , all sounds( kicks , snares , claps, hats toms
etc etc are going thru the 
>   separate out puts on the 808 & 909. arriving into individual input
channels on a healthy 
>   soundcraft ghost 24 LE, i like have all the individual channels up
& running with the sep 
>   sounds all Looping and the PLAYING the mute switches making parts
with combinations of 
>   all machines on the fly. Of course im decribing something tons of
electronic musicians 
>   have been doing forever, no secret stuff~ but heres when the SPS 1
timing slop is really 
>   apparent. When you start isolating sounds I.E. an sps-1uw snare
track played in tandem 
>   with the 808's kick and the 909s ride, that snare hits OFF about
75 % of the time. 
>   occasionally youll get a dead on hit and it sounds magical like
the rolands do 100% of the 
>   time.ive been a drummer for over 20 years. my drum teacher used to
have me practice to 
>   a metronome and my mission was to play rudiments and nail the
metronome track spot 
>   on. when this happens , stick and click hitting at the same time
theres a crack of accuracy 
>   that is magic. flams are flams, and thats the best way to describe
what the SPS 1 is doing 
>   most of the time! Flaming! and have been collecting drum machines
for the past 10. my 
>   collection is vast( tr 505,606, 808, 909, dr-110, cr-8000, cr-78,
sp-12 turbo, sp-1200, 
>   mpc60,II, Mpc 3000 korg micro pops, kpr-77 simmons sds- 9, sds
1000, so of course 
>   goes w/out saying ive been looking forward to owning the
machinedrum for some time 
>   now. On its own its fantastic ~ fluctuating and all, but when
played alongside the other 
>   classic drummachines, i just want to mute it. sad cause i love the
sounds out of it. Ive 
>   been following the thread close and just dont get how some people
overlook the fact that 
>   this is a problem that needs to be solved. to pay good money for a
unique modern 
>   machine is worth it for the sheer power of customization and
control~ YET its insane that 
>   one of the most important features of a drum machine is its
ability to play its own internal 
>   sounds Precisely with accurate precision, and all the power to
people that are measuring it 
>   against MPC 60s or 3000's than by all means make those standards
by which the SPS 1 
>   should perform up to. recording the SPS 1 into protools i can see
and measure the 
>   fluctuations and its a shame. My sidstations env's are sloppy .
That was a BUG in the SID 
>   chip itself. Elektron made up for it by adding a great feature in
the USER setting to have 
>   the choice to bypass the Buggy env's and switch it into GATE mode
making arpeggios 
>   Super tight when played with an external seq. I hope the Elektron
Guys have perked up 
>   their ears ~ the thread is still going on over at the Elektron
group page Special thanks to 
>   SN interclock for steering it back to the real issue at hand~
Accurate timing. Perhaps im a 
>   rare bird syncing up a bunch of old drum machines and using
cv/gates to trigger toms 
>   made on an arp 2600, or snares on a mini moog~ but i like the
sounds on the SPS 1 too! 
>   but they are getting muted on the desk when played next to the
other machines. i hope 
>   elektron solves the problem in the near future. i think if enough
users get the point of 
>   what the timing complaints are really about~ theyll speak up. By
all means make that 
>   flammy timing an OPTION on the Global page , But give me Solid
timing FIRST!
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