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Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-08-24 by thirdharmonic@...

I have a number of pieces, programmed on a computer, that are in the final stages of production. Problem is the Mk-IV defaults to 80% velocity. This in turn ruins the velocity output, especially on soft passages. I can always Copy the piece and save it to a new folder and then it is permenantly set to "thru". But, it would be nice to just include the Sysex, if there is a setting for that.

Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-08-25 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Comments below:

On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:26 AM, thirdharmonic@... [disklavier] <disklavier@...m> wrote:

I have a number of pieces, programmed on a computer, that are in the final stages of production. Problem is the Mk-IV defaults to 80% velocity. This in turn ruins the velocity output, especially on soft passages.

What does this mean, exactly? Does the volume setting on your Mark IV go from 100 down to 80 when you play one of these pieces? Or, does the piece just sound 80 % lower in volume than what you expect? Something else?

I can always Copy the piece and save it to a new folder and then it is permenantly set to "thru". But, it would be nice to just include the Sysex, if there is a setting for that.

What do you mean by “thru?” What is the objective?

Regards,

PianoBench

Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-08-25 by Spencer Chase

i was going to reply to this to ask WTF they were asking. glad you did. i'll offer to look at one of the pieces to see what strangeness might be in it.

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On 8/25/2015 8:41 AM, George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier] wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

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On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:26 AM, thirdharmonic@me.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have a number of pieces, programmed on a computer, that are in the final stages of production. Problem is the Mk-IV defaults to 80% velocity. This in turn ruins the velocity output, especially on soft passages.

What does this mean, exactly? Does the volume setting on your Mark IV go from 100 down to 80 when you play one of these pieces? Or, does the piece just sound 80 % lower in volume than what you expect? Something else?

I can always Copy the piece and save it to a new folder and then it is permenantly set to "thru". But, it would be nice to just include the Sysex, if there is a setting for that.

What do you mean by “thru?” What is the objective?

Regards,

PianoBench

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Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-08-27 by thirdharmonic@...

Apparently this is unfamiliar territory. My objective is to have the music not squashed to 80%, or as the setting indicates "Soft 80". Sorry, thought it was common knowledge with someone onboard.

If you are not familiar with this setting:

load a midi file

hand held will indicated song is ready to play

locate "Previous" soft button push

Page will show settings for R & L play channel

below that is "Piano Velocity Curve: Soft 80 (default)

You can change this setting to:

Thru

Soft 80 - 40.

My ears hear a softer version as the number decreases, "Thru" delivers a larger velocity curve. That's all.

I have programmed an hour or so of music, the "Soft 80" distorts my intended results.

Thanks for your input

Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-08-28 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

I apparently misunderstood the original question and thought that playback was taking place from an external source via MIDI input.

Page 36 of the Mark IV manual states the following:

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Piano Velocity Curve:

In acoustic mode, the loud notes may get distorted when you play a MIDI song designed not for acoustic piano playback, but for a certain instrument voice. In such a case, you can automatically adjust only the volume of the acoustic piano part moderately without changing the volume of other parts.

Select the desired acoustic piano volume ([Soft 85] thru [Soft 20]), or select [Thru] to inactivate this function.

Note: The smaller the [Soft] value, the softer the volume becomes.
*****************

I believe that this feature was introduced because it is very common that files which were not created on the Disklavier have piano parts that are too loud. On a song-by-song basis, you can set a value that is appropriate for the piece or you can choose Thru in order to leave the file untouched.

Does that answer the question?

Regards,
PianoBench

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> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:44 PM, thirdharmonic@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Apparently this is unfamiliar territory. My objective is to have the music not squashed to 80%, or as the setting indicates "Soft 80". Sorry, thought it was common knowledge with someone onboard. 
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> If you are not familiar with this setting: 
> 
> load a midi file 
> hand held will indicated song is ready to play
> locate "Previous" soft button push
> Page will show settings for R & L play channel
> 	below that is "Piano Velocity Curve:  Soft 80    (default)
> 
> You can change this setting to: 
> 	Thru
> 	Soft 80 - 40.
> 
> My ears hear a softer version as the number decreases, "Thru" delive rs a larger velocity curve. That's all.
> 
> I have programmed an hour or so of music, the "Soft 80" distorts my intended results. 
> 
> Thanks for your input
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-09-05 by thirdharmonic@...

Hi and thank you for your input. What I am trying to accomplish should be , but apparrently isn't, a setting that can be accessed and adjusted. Nothing more or less, I would just like to not have to save the file AGAIN, on my Disklavier to achieve what should be a simple fix.

I know I can be quite dense when it comes to simplicity. And just for kicks, let me repeat what I am looking to do. I would like to save my midi file, from my computer program, to play the DK file as a "Thru" velocity curve, not as a "Soft 80" velocity curve.

Is there a software "button" that accomplishes the above?

Thank you again for your input, I do appreciate it.

Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-09-05 by Kevin Goroway

I haven't followed this thread, but I think the short answer is "no".
A midi file is just a midi file.  Normally, these are added to the Disklavier through the "FromToPC" folder, or on a thumbstick, or something like that.  At that point, behind the scenes, the Mark IV adds the midi file to the song database.  It is the song database that stores associated settings that correspond to a given midi file.  Furthermore, it is also in this database where you get to choose the velocity curve.  I believe you are running into an issue because the default velocity curve is Soft80, and you would like it to be Thru.  As far as I know, there is no way to change that default value...But once you change it to Thru, it should stick.  I say "should" because it actually wont.  Not unless you actually copy that Midi file to the Mark IV's internal hard drive.  Otherwise, every time the external storage changes, or is refreshed, it rebuilds the database for that storage, and all of your changed data will revert back to the defaults.
So, your recipe should be something like:1) Copy MIDI file to "FromToPc"2) Copy Song from "FromToPc" to "User"3) Play the song, and change the velocity curve.4) Live happily ever after
If there were more demand for this sort of thing, I could have added functionality to DKVBrowser to automate step 3 when you did step 2, but, honestly, in all the years I've been involved with this, this is the first time this has come up that I am aware of.
-Kevin

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      From: "thirdharmonic@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"
   
    Hi and thank you for your input. What I am trying to accomplish should be , but apparrently isn't, a setting that can be accessed and adjusted. Nothing more or less, I would just like to not have to save the file AGAIN, on my Disklavier to achieve what should be a simple fix. 
I know I can be quite dense when it comes to simplicity. And just for kicks, let me repeat what I am looking to do.  I would like to save my midi file, from my computer program, to play the DK file as a "Thru" velocity curve, not as a "Soft 80" velocity curve. 
Is there a software "button" that accomplishes the above?
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Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

2015-09-05 by Bill Brandom

Kevin, good response, during all I my years with Mark IV, it has been quite rare for someone to want their MIDI files to player "louder" on their piano. Most people ask how to have them play softer.

Bill
Love God. Love People. Make a difference.

On Sep 5, 2015, at 7:17 AM, Kevin Goroway kgoroway@yahoo.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I haven't followed this thread, but I think the short answer is "no".

A midi file is just a midi file. Normally, these are added to the Disklavier through the "FromToPC" folder, or on a thumbstick, or something like that. At that point, behind the scenes, the Mark IV adds the midi file to the song database. It is the song database that stores associated settings that correspond to a given midi file. Furthermore, it is also in this database where you get to choose the velocity curve. I believe you are running into an issue because the default velocity curve is Soft80, and you would like it to be Thru. As far as I know, there is no way to change that default value...But once you change it to Thru, it should stick. I say "should" because it actually wont. Not unless you actually copy that Midi file to the Mark IV's internal hard drive. Otherwise, every time the external storage changes, or is refreshed, it rebuilds the database for that storage, and all of your changed data will revert back to the defaults.

So, your recipe should be something like:
1) Copy MIDI file to "FromToPc"
2) Copy Song from "FromToPc" to "User"
3) Play the song, and change the velocity curve.
4) Live happily ever after

If there were more demand for this sort of thing, I could have added functionality to DKVBrowser to automate step 3 when you did step 2, but, honestly, in all the years I've been involved with this, this is the first time this has come up that I am aware of.

-Kevin

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From: "thirdharmonic@...m [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mk-IV: How do I program "Thru"

Hi and thank you for your input. What I am trying to accomplish should be , but apparrently isn't, a setting that can be accessed and adjusted. Nothing more or less, I would just like to not have to save the file AGAIN, on my Disklavier to achieve what should be a simple fix. 

I know I can be quite dense when it comes to simplicity. And just for kicks, let me repeat what I am looking to do.  I would like to save my midi file, from my computer program, to play the DK file as a "Thru" velocity curve, not as a "Soft 80" velocity curve. 

Is there a software "button" that accomplishes the above?

Thank you again for your input, I do appreciate it.

Bill

Love God. Love People. Make a difference.

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On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 7:44 AM, thirdharmonic@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Bill, Not louder, but wider. When you compress a velocity curve, you are shaping your velocities with fewer choices. Unless you know something I don't.