Thanks a lot Spencer. I think I'll do some experiment as you suggested and see what's best for me. Won't be an easy task for me as I don't play piano. Anyway I'll try different settings. Cheers --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer chase <lists@...> wrote: > > Not having a similar DKV with which to experiment, I can only guess but > I think you might be able to get the best results by fiddling with > different scaling "presets" with midimod2. This is because you > independently adjust both the upper and lower ranges to match the > dynamic response of your piano as well as compensating for other > peculiarities of voicing etc. Veloset works with the whole dynamic > range. If you slide the upper end down, you compress everything to some > extent which might be exactly the opposite of what you want to do at the > lower range. The advantage of Veloset is that it scales things smoothly > so you don't have to worry about making a smooth transition between > dynamic ranges. There is an advanced feature in midimod2 that allows you > to copy the dynamic curve as a series of values that can be plotted in > excel. When I am making presets for the LX piano from piano rolls, I use > this feature extensively. I have a sample excel sheet with charts that I > can share with anyone interested in using it. It is helpful to view the > dynamic mapping as a graph to make sure it is smooth and to verify that > it does in fact represent your intentions. The excel sheet is set up so > you can just copy and paste the output from midimod2 into it and can > compare the results of two different presets as graphs. The display > histogram function of midimod2 is also useful for visualizing what > transformations might be needed. > > On 3/9/2011 4:03 PM, jboxnz wrote: > > > > Thanks PianoBench and Spencer for the info. > > > > I did use Veloset to compress the midi files I got from the internet. > > What I did so far is that if the file has maximum velocity over 100, > > I'll first use the left slider on Veloset to move the whole range > > lower (to the left until the max is at 100, or all the way to 1), and > > if the max is still over 100, I'll then use the right slider to > > compress it. This way I think will give a theoretic broader dynamic > > range (1-100) for the midi file, however it means the file will have > > notes in the 1-30 range which maybe all be played by the piano at ~30, > > so the bottom part of the notes get compressed more while the upper > > part is less compressed. > > > > Another way as suggested by Spencer is to limit the lower limit to ~30 > > as well as capping the upper at 100. This may match better the piano's > > capability, and provide a better linearity (whole ranged compressed > > the same amount) but gives a lot less theoretic dynamic range(only > > 30-100). > > > > Which way do you think is better? > > > > I also found that the volume control on the control unit does lower > > the playing volume, but more on the upper range (Before it engages the > > soft pedal). So if I lower the volume, it seems to have a effect of > > compressing the upper range. > > > > By the way, I don't play piano although I do enjoy music. The piano > > was bought for my kids to learn. > > > > Cheers > > > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>, George Frederick Litterst > > <PianoBench@> wrote: > > > > > > Good afternoon, everyone. > > > > > > This is true. The early Disklaviers compressed the dynamic range on > > playback, boosting the low MIDI velocities and capping the high MIDI > > velocities. > > > > > > Starting with the Mark IIXG Pro, Yamaha achieved a full spectrum of > > playback possibilities on the Disklavier. The original Pro and > > subsequent Pro models have been unsurpassed in this regard and offer > > more resolution in between the traditional 0-127 velocity > > measurements. The Mark III, current E3, and Mark IVs non-Pros also > > have a much wider dynamic range compared to the early model instruments. > > > > > > Regards, > > > PianoBench > > > > > > www.georgelitterst.com > > > www.timewarptech.com > > > www.zenph.com > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Spencer chase wrote: > > > > > > > the older dkvs do not play soft notes very well. also they only > > play the range of something like 30 to 100 just as you have > > discovered. if you have files that use the whole dynamic range from 1 > > to 127, you can remap them to the DKV range with either Veloset or > > with my midimod2 program. You will never be able to change the > > capabilities of the piano by modifying the software but you can > > achieve a better match between the source and what the piano wants. > > > > midimod2 is on the following page: > > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html > > > > > > > > On 3/8/2011 10:42 PM, jboxnz wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Did some further test with test midi samples of different > > velocity ranging from 5 to 100. The piano did play the samples with > > different volume. However the loudness of samples with note velocity > > 5, 10, 20 and 30 are almost the same (all pretty loud to my ear), > > while those with 40, 60, 80, 90 and 100 have discernible difference, > > progressively louder). > > > >> > > > >> It seems to me that the piano cannot play very soft notes well, > > and notes with velocity 1-20 are all played at similar volume. It > > works best for 30-100...didn't try anything over 100 though. > > > >> > > > >> Really great to have the piano play by itself...and all the midi > > music from the web. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers > > > >> > > > >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>, "jboxnz" <junkbox.nz@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi, > > > >> > > > > >> > We recently bought a grey market U3 (originally from Japan) > > with a playback-only Disklavier systerm. The S/N on the piano > > indicates it's a 1986 model, although the test menu on the controller > > seems to show 1993 firmware (Maybe a retrofit system). It looks like a > > MX80 unit with separate control unit and has the same physical layout > > and test menu as the MX80 according to the service manul I found on > > the web. > > > >> > > > > >> > I hooked it via a USB-Midi cable to my computer and to play the > > downloaded midi files (From www.kuhmann.com). What I found is that the > > piano seems to play at same volume no matter what I do with the > > velocity of the midi files (I use Veloset). Also for soft notes it > > also plays quite loud. Say for a midi piece with note velocity ranged > > from 10-100, all notes seems were played at same volume. > > > >> > > > > >> > However in the test mode, it seems can play softely and forcefully. > > > >> > > > > >> > Is this normal for it or something wrong? > > > >> > > > > >> > I've made some more test midi files with different velocity and > > volume settings, and will do more test tonight. > > > >> > > > > >> > Appreciate any info. > > > >> > > > > >> > Cheers > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, Spencer Chase > > > > 67550-Bell Springs Rd. > > > > Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. > > > > Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. > > > > Spencer@ > > > > http://www.spencerserolls.com > > > > (707) 984-8356 > > > > (425) 791-0309 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, Spencer Chase > 67550-Bell Springs Rd. > Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only. > Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. > Spencer@... > http://www.spencerserolls.com > (707) 984-8356 > (425) 791-0309 >
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Re: 1986 Disklavier midi play back volumne
2011-03-10 by jboxnz