externalizing the drive sound like a great idea. if it is SATA, that should be real easy since the cables are more flexible. with ATA it might require some ingenuity. you can can get a ribbon cable to make twists and bends by separating the individual wires into clumps of 10 or so. if the cable is really long, the alternating ground wires are important so it is best to do the separating just for the sections that need to be twisted or fitted through tight areas. you can also find aerodynamic cables that have been made round. they generally have twisted pairs which are actually better than just parallel wires. i have a large spool of this twisted pair wire but never needed to use it yet. e On 1/30/2014 3:49 AM, Kevin Goroway wrote: > Right. > > DKVBrowser can only do what yamaha intended the PRC-100/TRC-100 to do. > > I did built a "backup" option that will move all non-protected files > to your PC along with a meta-data file so you don't lose any of the > meta information (comments, song title, ratings, last played date, > etc.) when you choose to move the files back to the piano. This is > incredibly important if you ever have to replace the disklavier > itself, since a Yamaha backup is "locked" to a particular piano. > > But, it can't do protected files, and it can't do anything about the > operating system. > > I wonder how difficult it would be to rig it so that the SSD is > EXTERNAL to the Disklavier. Then a quick disconnect/backup > (image)/re-connect operation could be done via some other computer. > > -Kevin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Horatio Kemeny <hkemeny@...> > *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:16 AM > *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] SSD failures - Mark 1V > > It occurred to me after I wrote my message that, as Kevin will verify, > there\u2019s no way to do what I\u2019d like. You can\u2019t mount the file system > and then do a disk image of the whole thing\u2026 i.e., you can boot the HD > or SSD\u2026 i.e., this could only be made to work if you boot the piano > off a CD or USB stick and then do a disk image. > > As per below, it\u2019s possible to boot off a CD. That means, if someone > ever felt like getting around to it, you could create a CD that boots > a minimal OS and then captures a disk image of the SSD and dumps it to > a USB stick. > > Bill, thank you for offering\u2026 I don\u2019t think I\u2019ll need the 3-CD set > because I have a relatively recent image of the SSD I installed. > Whether the restore function works off a backup\u2026 who knows, I hope > I\u2019ll never need it. At some point I\u2019ll remove the SSD and clone it and > perhaps every 6 months swap one for the other, always having a pretty > current one and a backup. It\u2019s not trivial removing that drive but > it\u2019s not a huge deal either. > > \u2026..HK > > > On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:34 PM, Bill Brandom <billbrando@... > <mailto:billbrando@...>> wrote: > >> >> That does sound easier if you make the clone before the HDD dies. >> >> Bill >> >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Spencer Chase <lists@... >> <mailto:lists@...>> wrote: >> >> sounds like a lot to do compared to a simple disc cloning that takes >> about 30 minutes of unattended waiting for a 1 tb computer drive that >> has about 250 gigs of data on it. >> >> On 1/29/2014 9:04 PM, Bill Brandom wrote: >>> NEAL and HORATIO, >>> >>> I have never experienced the backup/restore problems that Neal has >>> described. I have never found the Mark IV backup/restore function >>> not to work. I backed up last week. After seeing your emails, I >>> decided to do a restore and it looks like it is working perfectly. >>> (I won't know, however, until the process completes in about 3 hours.) >>> >>> During the last year, I have replaced my hard drive twice. The first >>> time was with a standard hard drive I purchased from an electronics >>> store. The second time I replaced the drive with a SSD drive. In >>> both cases, I did backups before the replacement and then used the >>> restore function to get all of my music to the new drive. To say the >>> least, I have a considerable amount of software (one of the benefits >>> working for Yamaha for 31 years...). As a result, I actually have >>> two different backups (with two different sets of music) I work >>> from. By using the restore function, I am easily able to switch back >>> and forth between my two sets of music data. >>> >>> NEAL, my Mark IV operating system is currently DIO 4.21. The two USB >>> hard drives I use have been formatted as MS-DOS FAT 32. The only >>> negative I can find with the Mark IV backup/restore function is that >>> it takes a long time (USB 1.0). So, before I go to bed, I start >>> either the backup or the restore. When I wake up, the job is done. >>> Neal, give it a try. Just make sure that your external drive is >>> formatted MS-DOS FAT 32. >>> >>> HORATIO, first of all, there is an easy way to take a hard drive and >>> use it with the Mark IV. First, do your music software backup. There >>> are RESCUE CDs that can be used to place the operating system, >>> internal piano voice and all of the factory installed music software >>> on the drive. Three CDs are required, along with an update floppy. >>> To do the rescue, the 1st CD is inserted in the drive, along with >>> the update floppy. The piano is powered on and a couple of buttons >>> have to be pushed on the I/O center during the boot sequence. When >>> the 1st CD has been loaded, the CD drive ejects the CD and then you >>> insert the 2nd CD, after it is loaded, you insert the 3rd CD. After >>> the 3rd CD has been loaded, the rescue is done. The piano is now >>> running operating system DIO 3.0. From there, you can perform your >>> music software restore function, and then update your piano over the >>> Internet using Network Update. >>> >>> If you need the three iso files that make up the 3.0 rescue set, let >>> me know and I will send you links so you can download them. Each of >>> them are about 600 MB and each are burned as an image to the CDs. I >>> can help you with this process, if you need assistance. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:16 PM, >>> carwizard<carwizard@... >>> <mailto:carwizard@...>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The restore feature of the Disklavier built in backup program no >>> longer works. Most users are not aware of this. >>> >>> I lost my hard drive 4 months ago. I replaced the drive and then >>> used the built in restore function to bring back mymusic.to >>> <http://music.to/>my surprise, it errored. I called Freddie at >>> Yamaha and informed him of the issue. He then tested and >>> verified on his equipment to see if this was a local problem or >>> system wide one. Unfortunately, he too had the problem which >>> makes all of us in jeopardy. He said he would submit the problem >>> to Japan, but so far, no fix has been made. So I ended up >>> spending 14 hours reloading all my music and then did a "image" >>> backup for protection. Unfortunately, I have added music since >>> the image backup, which remains not backed up. >>> >>> I am in the process of writing a letter to Yossi, and having >>> Martain in Yamaha service,deliver it. This is an unexceptable >>> flaw in what otherwise is a beautiful piano and service. >>> >>> Neal - President >>> Affordable Classics, Inc >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:40 PM, "Horatio Kemeny" <hkemeny@... >>> <mailto:hkemeny@...>> wrote: >>> >>>> The backup function seems to create a very proprietary set of >>>> files which I\u2019m guessing work well within the confines of the >>>> \u201cbackup\u201d and \u201crestore\u201d functions of the Mark IV. But if you >>>> lose the whole HD, you lose the file systems and the operating >>>> systems\u2026 and you\u2019ll never get to that menu. It would be arduous >>>> but not impossible\u2026 you\u2019d restore the whole drive from the >>>> original image, then do any upgrades that Yamaha has provided >>>> since, and then use the restore function to pull your material >>>> from the backup \u2014 and hope it works. I\u2019ve never restored from >>>> it, but my only experiences with propriatery backup/restore >>>> systems aren\u2019t great. Anyone who remembers MS-DOS\u2019s >>>> Backup/Restore will certainly know of what I speak. >>>> >>>> DKVBrowser lets you copy actual files, but only the >>>> non-protected files. A PianoSoft CD that\u2019s been imported to the >>>> HD would have to be re-imported. >>>> >>>> In bits and pieces, it\u2019d be possible to rebuild from scratch, >>>> providing you\u2019ve been dutifully making backups. It just occurs >>>> to me that the right way to do this would be a complete HD >>>> image. One snapshot and done. >>>> >>>> \u2026..HK >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Bill Brandom <billbrando@... >>>> <mailto:billbrando@...>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Horatio, >>>>> >>>>> Can't you use the Mark IV backup function? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Horatio Kemeny >>>>> <hkemeny@... <mailto:hkemeny@...>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There seems to be an emerging trend with respect to SSD >>>>> failures\u2026 that when they fail, they fail instantly. A >>>>> mechanical HD would typically start causing problems and >>>>> throwing out errors, giving you some time (days or weeks) to >>>>> deal with it. Not so with SSD. A simple Google of \u201cSSD >>>>> failure\u201d will pop up a concerning list of articles. >>>>> >>>>> For those who aren\u2019t sure what I\u2019m talking about, you have >>>>> nothing to worry about\u2026 your piano, if it has a HD, has a >>>>> mechanical old-school one. For those of us who\u2019ve done an >>>>> upgrade from mechanical to SSD, this is an issue. >>>>> >>>>> Sidenote: upgrading the HD makes your piano perform >>>>> wonderfully. Boot times are measured in seconds, not minutes. >>>>> Jumping around menus goes from annoying to instant. Far more >>>>> storage space. >>>>> >>>>> The issue that it could die at any moment, though, throws a >>>>> bit of a snag into things. It\u2019s not so simple to back-up that >>>>> entire drive. Its contents, sure\u2026 but if my SSD died now, I\u2019d >>>>> have to be reverting to the disk image I manually made before >>>>> I did the upgrade. And I\u2019d lose any new content that I hadn\u2019t >>>>> backed up, and would have to restore it. >>>>> >>>>> So\u2026\u2026. suggestions? Anyone know of a good way to backup the >>>>> piano\u2019s HD without physically removing it and mounting it on >>>>> an external machine? In a perfect world, DKVBrowser would have >>>>> an option to [Create HD image] and with one keystroke, you >>>>> could keep a backup on a computer and simply image a new SSD >>>>> when needed. Hey Kevin, are you reading this?! :) Is that >>>>> feasible? Is there a better way? Another way? >>>>> >>>>> \u2026..HK >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To Post a message to the group, send it >>>>> to:disklavier@... <mailto:disklavier@...> >>>>> >>>>> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder >>>>> and moderator, send it to: >>>>> disklavier-owner@... >>>>> <mailto:disklavier-owner@...> >>>>> >>>>> To reach our group's web site go to: >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/info >>>>> >>>>> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>>>> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting >>>>> too much mail, go the the web site and change your email >>>>> delivery option instead. 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Re: [disklavier] SSD failures - Mark 1V
2014-01-30 by Spencer Chase