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Memory Loss

2013-10-27 by Thomas Rizzi

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .

Thank you very much

Thomas Rizzi

rizzitech@...

Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-27 by james meagher

Pretty sure you can find everything you need to get it back on its feet in the various sections of this website: http://www.rhodeschroma.com

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Rizzi <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

--
C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc.
(204) 918 9317

RE: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by <rizzitech@...>

Thank you James:

I was wondering, is the list that you suggested the same as the Polaris lis?

Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Pretty sure you can find everything you need to get it back on its feet in the various sections of this website: http://www.rhodeschroma.com

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Rizzi <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

--
C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc.
(204) 918 9317

Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by w.james.meagher@...

Section #10 in the top right corner has all the Polaris resources:

http://rhodeschroma.com/?id=polaris

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2013, at 20:06, <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Thank you James:
I was wondering, is the list that you suggested the same as the Polaris lis?
Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Pretty sure you can find everything you need to get it back on its feet in the various sections of this website: http://www.rhodeschroma.com

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Rizzi <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

--
C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc.
(204) 918 9317

Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by Chris Ryan

This is the Polaris. I run the list for the original (ARP/Rhodes) Chroma, which I call ChromaTalk.

On 2013-10-27, at 6:06 PM, <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Thank you James:
I was wondering, is the list that you suggested the same as the Polaris lis?
Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Pretty sure you can find everything you need to get it back on its feet in the various sections of this website: http://www.rhodeschroma.com

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Rizzi <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

--
C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc.
(204) 918 9317

RE: Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by <rizzitech@...>

James
sorry for the typo
I meant to type

Thank you James:

I was wondering, is the list that you suggested the same as the Polaris list?

Thanks
Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."
I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.
I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

RE: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by <rizzitech@...>

I should have seen that, This is a good list, I appreciate the assistance.

Thank you

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Section #10 in the top right corner has all the Polaris resources:

http://rhodeschroma.com/?id=polaris

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2013, at 20:06, <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Thank you James:
I was wondering, is the list that you suggested the same as the Polaris lis?
Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Pretty sure you can find everything you need to get it back on its feet in the various sections of this website: http://www.rhodeschroma.com

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Rizzi <rizzitech@...> wrote:

Hi Every one, i finally removed my Chroma from storage and when i went to lay it ,it only had the"scratch sound."

I tried to use the procedure for loading the sound,but when I came to the part where it said,"load the sound from the Cassette.', I realized that my data cassettes are still in storage 50 miles away and I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing the Chroma to a Cassette player. It's been a while since I've had the option of viewing the forum,but i seem to remember that there was a link to previously asked questions that have already been answered. I would be glad to view that list. But I'm not sure how to connect up with it.

I believe that I need to load the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma via MIDI.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated .
Thank you very much
Thomas Rizzi
rizzitech@...

--
C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc.
(204) 918 9317

Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-10-28 by David Clarke

> ... I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing
> the Chroma to a Cassette player... I believe that I need to load
> the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma
> via MIDI.

To summarize - you would really have two main options.

The first is to still use the 'cassette' method. To do so, you don't
actually need the original cassette cable, nor do you actually have to
use the 'cassette'.

For the connection, you can use the 1/4" 'sync' jacks on the Polaris.
For the source, you can use a .wav file (or similar) played back to the
Polaris.

The use of the 'SYNC' jacks for cassette operations is discussed in the
Polaris user's manual - xref page 64 of:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/content/polaris/ownersmanual.pdf

The .wav files for the factory sets/sequences are available on-line
here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

The second option is to use MIDI sysex to load the patches. The sysex
version of the patches are also available here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

David Clarke

RE: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-09 by <jordisampe@...>

Hello, I want to send patch to Polatis via sysex, I don' t understand midi configuration on Polaris for can recieve patches by midi.... Can you help me please?

Thanks in advance.

Jordi

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <ac151@...> wrote:

> ... I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing
> the Chroma to a Cassette player... I believe that I need to load
> the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma
> via MIDI.

To summarize - you would really have two main options.

The first is to still use the 'cassette' method. To do so, you don't
actually need the original cassette cable, nor do you actually have to
use the 'cassette'.

For the connection, you can use the 1/4" 'sync' jacks on the Polaris.
For the source, you can use a .wav file (or similar) played back to the
Polaris.

The use of the 'SYNC' jacks for cassette operations is discussed in the
Polaris user's manual - xref page 64 of:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/content/polaris/ownersmanual.pdf

The .wav files for the factory sets/sequences are available on-line
here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

The second option is to use MIDI sysex to load the patches. The sysex
version of the patches are also available here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

David Clarke

Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-09 by Bob Grieb

Hi,

   I have done this several times.   You need some sort of MIDI interface for your computer.   I use a Roland UM-2, purchased on ebay.   It was maybe $25-30.   This connects to the computer using a USB cable.   Then download from the internet a program called MIDI-ox.   It's free. This can
talk to the USB MIDI adapter.   Then you need to download the sysex file
for the Chroma.    There are two different one of these that I found on the web. Then use MIDI-ox to send the sysex file to the MIDI adapter, after connecting it to the Polaris. It's actually very easy if you have a USB to MIDI adapter for your computer.

                 Bob

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:45 PM, "jordisampe@..." <jordisampe@...> wrote:

Hello, I want to send patch to Polatis via sysex, I don' t understand midi configuration on Polaris for can recieve patches by midi.... Can you help me please?

Thanks in advance.

Jordi

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <ac151@...> wrote:

> ... I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing
> the Chroma to a Cassette player... I believe that I need to load
> the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma
> via MIDI.

To summarize - you would really have two main options.

The first is to still use the 'cassette' method. To do so, you don't
actually need the original cassette cable, nor do you actually have to
use the 'cassette'.

For the connection, you can use the 1/4" 'sync' jacks on the Polaris.
For the source, you can use a .wav file (or similar) played back to the
Polaris.

The use of the 'SYNC' jacks for cassette operations is discussed in the
Polaris user's manual - xref page 64 of:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/content/polaris/ownersmanual.pdf

The .wav files for the factory sets/sequences are available on-line
here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

The second option is to use MIDI sysex to load the patches. The sysex
version of the patches are also available here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

David Clarke

RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-12 by <rizzitech@...>

Hello:

Thank you David & Bob:

I have the same situation as Jordi. I have downloaded MIDI-OX and then the sys-x files. They were saved easily with MIDI-OX. I have a USB to MIDI converter. I just don't know how instruct the Polaris to receive the sys-x files through MIDI. I have been reading the user's manual & a little of the service manual. I have learned ALOT about electronic music & HEX systems because of the manuals, but have yet to see the instructions for loading the sys-x files from the computer to the Polaris.

I will continue to read the manuals, but I really need to load the sounds as soon as possible. Any additional help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance and have a good day.

Thomas

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <bobgrieb@...> wrote:

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:45 PM, "jordisampe@..." <jordisampe@...> wrote:

Hello, I want to send patch to Polatis via sysex, I don' t understand midi configuration on Polaris for can recieve patches by midi.... Can you help me please?

Thanks in advance.

Jordi

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <ac151@...> wrote:

> ... I don't have a cassette player or the cable for interfacing
> the Chroma to a Cassette player... I believe that I need to load
> the sound data onto a sequencer and load the data into the Chroma
> via MIDI.

To summarize - you would really have two main options.

The first is to still use the 'cassette' method. To do so, you don't
actually need the original cassette cable, nor do you actually have to
use the 'cassette'.

For the connection, you can use the 1/4" 'sync' jacks on the Polaris.
For the source, you can use a .wav file (or similar) played back to the
Polaris.

The use of the 'SYNC' jacks for cassette operations is discussed in the
Polaris user's manual - xref page 64 of:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/content/polaris/ownersmanual.pdf

The .wav files for the factory sets/sequences are available on-line
here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

The second option is to use MIDI sysex to load the patches. The sysex
version of the patches are also available here:

http://www.rhodeschroma.com/?id=polarispatches

David Clarke

RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-12 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: rizzitech@...
>
> I have the same situation as Jordi. I have downloaded
> MIDI-OX and then the sys-x files. They were saved easily
> with MIDI-OX. I have a USB to MIDI converter. I just don't
> know how instruct the Polaris to receive the sys-x files
> through MIDI. I have been reading the user's manual & a
> little of the service manual. I have learned ALOT about
> electronic music & HEX systems because of the manuals, but
> have yet to see the instructions for loading the sys-x files
> from the computer to the Polaris.

If it isn't working for you, you should check the MIDI Basic Channel
parameter, and make sure it is set to 1. (That's LOWER FUNCTION, B, make
sure 1 is on and 2-6 are off.) In the Polaris MIDI format, even Sysex has
a channel number byte, and will be ignored if it doesn't match the Basic
Channel number. (The manual says that the unit powers up in Omni Mode,
ignoring channel numbers, but I believe this is false.)

--

Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
Paul mailto:pderocco@...

RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-12 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: Thomas Rizzi [mailto:rizzitech@...]
>
> I connected the Polaris to a Roland keyboard via MIDI and
> the Roland did not sound until I pressed LOWER FUNCTION B.
> when I did ,the Roland did sound, but how do I know that the
> Polaris basic channel is set to 1 & 2 through 6 are off?

By looking at the LEDs. Make sure LED 1 is on and LEDs 2-6 are off; press
the corresponding switch to toggle each LED on or off.

> I may have to read the documentation for the MIDI-OX program
> and see how to read which channels are being transmitted.

There is no channel number in a Sysex message that MIDI-OX would know
about, since that's a Polaris-specific detail, not part of the MIDI
standard. The Sysex messages encoded into the files containing the factory
program sets would refer to channel 1. So you just need to send the Sysex
files as-is from MIDI-OX, and make sure the Polaris is configured to
receive on channel 1.

> Also how to send the sys-ex files to the Polaris? I beleive
> I will find that out when I read the help files with MIDI-OX.

Yes, you'll need to do that. As I recall, it's simple.

> I also do not know how to set the Polaris to receive the sys-ex files.
> But I need to wait until I get off of work to access the Polaris.

I believe the Basic Channel number is the only thing in the Polaris you
have to set properly in order for Sysex receiving to work. If it still
doesn't work after you've made sure the Basic Channel is set to 1, there
may be a hardware problem.

--

Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
Paul mailto:pderocco@...

RE: RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-12 by <jordisampe@...>

Hello Paul,

Thanks for your answer, but logical, if I can send complete factory patches and Polaris recieved it, sysex comes well into polaris. I checked again, and I have configurated in midi channels 1, and on second Ros on 7 ( not mutlichanel used ). I think the best solution is send and recieve individual patche and complete patches via audio ( audio out and pedal in ).

But I thinking that I do bad anything, because not logic that can recievesysex of complete patches ( not individual ) and send individual only but not complete .....I hope any user can help me.... ;-)

Can you help me on how can I use it in multi mode?

Best,

Jordi

---In chromapolaris@yahoogroups.com, <pderocco@...> wrote:

> From: rizzitech@...
>
> I have the same situation as Jordi. I have downloaded
> MIDI-OX and then the sys-x files. They were saved easily
> with MIDI-OX. I have a USB to MIDI converter. I just don't
> know how instruct the Polaris to receive the sys-x files
> through MIDI. I have been reading the user's manual & a
> little of the service manual. I have learned ALOT about
> electronic music & HEX systems because of the manuals, but
> have yet to see the instructions for loading the sys-x files
> from the computer to the Polaris.

If it isn't working for you, you should check the MIDI Basic Channel
parameter, and make sure it is set to 1. (That's LOWER FUNCTION, B, make
sure 1 is on and 2-6 are off.) In the Polaris MIDI format, even Sysex has
a channel number byte, and will be ignored if it doesn't match the Basic
Channel number. (The manual says that the unit powers up in Omni Mode,
ignoring channel numbers, but I believe this is false.)

--

Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
Paul mailto:pderocco@...

RE: RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-11-13 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: jordisampe@...
>
> Thanks for your answer, but logical, if I can send complete
> factory patches and Polaris recieved it, sysex comes well
> into polaris. I checked again, and I have configurated in
> midi channels 1, and on second Ros on 7 ( not mutlichanel
> used ). I think the best solution is send and recieve
> individual patche and complete patches via audio ( audio out
> and pedal in ).
>
> But I thinking that I do bad anything, because not logic that
> can recievesysex of complete patches ( not individual ) and
> send individual only but not complete .....I hope any user
> can help me.... ;-)
>
> Can you help me on how can I use it in multi mode?

If single programs work over sysex, but multiple programs don't, the
problem may be that the Polaris can't keep up with the data rate. If
there's an option in the sending program to insert delays between the
sysex messages, that may fix the problem.

--

Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco
Paul mailto:pderocco@...

RE: Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-12-08 by <rizzitech@...>

Thank you very much for your help Paul. I'm not sure if this is the correct way to list my "now for sale" Polaris,but please correct me if I am wrong.

Recently I removed my Chroma Polaris s/n Y300847 from storage. Thanks to advice from Paul & Ryan and others on the list.,I set the Polaris MIDI to Omni mode,which allowed me to load the sys ex files,kindly provided by chromapolaris users group after I replaced the battery back up for the memory. Now everything works fine. | purchased this instrument about 10 years ago. It has been in my studio & then in storage ever since,it's always been taken well care of and is in great shape/

I'm asking $950 from the local Craig's list (which includes a SKB Case) but if anyone wants it from the chromapolaris user's group,I'll sell both for $875 or just the Polaris for $800 (plus shipping) they're both in great shape.I have not done the switch panel update, but every thing is working well at this time.I was going to ask $1000 and suggest the upgrade from Paul,but every thing is working well now,so why mess with it at this time.

I need to sell them now to help a friend in need (not for holiday presents.)

I hope to buy another one as soon as I can afford to. It really is a great instrument and using it has been fun.

I'm not sure if this is the correct format to list my Polaris, but I believe that I will be corrected if I am using the incorrect procedure which I sincerely appreciate.

Please contact me via the list if appropriate.

Thank you

Thomas Rizzi

Re: Re: [chromapolaris] Memory Loss

2013-12-09 by <rizzitech@...>

Just wanted to say thank you again. MIDI Ox is a great program and easy to use. ( Once I can afford it,I intend to send them a donation. All I had to do enable MIDI, down load the sys ex files from the chrompolaris club,then find them after opening MIDI Ox and then send them to the Polaris from my computer via the USB to MIDI connector I bought from Amazon.

Actually it was a joy when I found out that the MIDI worked after MIDI Ox started streaming information on my computer screen.

There is a good bunch of people on this list,and participating with the discussions and reading the manuals has reminded why I became an electronics technician.

I hope everybody has a Merry Christmas

Thank you

Sincerely

Rizzitech