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CD/HC STMicro

2009-04-03 by w1xyzq

I'm just getting back to building my synth. I was looking through my parts to see what I need to order, and most of my logic chips are labeled HC4015, etc. I was kicking myslef, because I want the CD part. BUT.. then I was looking at my modules, and most are built w/ the HC part. So, I look up the datasheet for the IC, which is a STMicro, and it does say 5, 10, 15 volts. (and my modules work)

so, do these just have a different naming convention, or am I missing something?

Re: CD/HC STMicro

2009-04-03 by Dave Kendall

Some +15V CMOS ICs are labelled HCF 40xx. ST micro seem to do this a
lot - I have HCF4052, 4013, 4001 etc. - all +15V parts. The F is the
important bit to watch for.

Most +5V parts I have come across have a "74" prefix eg. 74HC123. 74HCT
is another class of +5V parts - CMOS, but TTL compatible.

cheers,
Dave
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On Apr 3, 2009, at 15:36, w1xyzq wrote:

> I'm just getting back to building my synth. I was looking through my
> parts to see what I need to order, and most of my logic chips are
> labeled HC4015, etc. I was kicking myslef, because I want the CD part.
> BUT.. then I was looking at my modules, and most are built w/ the HC
> part. So, I look up the datasheet for the IC, which is a STMicro, and
> it does say 5, 10, 15 volts. (and my modules work)
>
> so, do these just have a different naming convention, or am I missing
> something?
>
>

Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-05 by James Elliott

Hello,

Newbie here....

I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to be working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm too much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond the basics.

-All resistor & capacitor values are correct
-All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
-Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
-I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires are going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
-pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time

I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.

Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make sense of it for future applicaions?

Thanks,
Jim





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Re: Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-05 by lance iden

James. I think that on your speed pot your open terminal needs to be tied to
the center terminal. Just a thought.Lance
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On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, James Elliott <johans121@...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Newbie here....
>
> I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to be
> working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be
> oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm too
> much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond the
> basics.
>
> -All resistor & capacitor values are correct
> -All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
> -Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
> -I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires
> soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires are
> going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
> -pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time
>
> I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock
> and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.
>
> Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
> Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make
> sense of it for future applicaions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Re: Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-05 by James Elliott

Lance, I don't think that is correct. The middle lug is is not soldered to ground, it is soldered to the one of the two pot pads (middle to the 47k, center to the diode & 22k), if I were to bridge the other lug to center, then I would have a constant resistance of 2Meg between those components - i.e. CW would be 1.5 and CCW would be .5, or CW = .85 & CCW = 1.25 etc.... Right?

Does that sound right, or am I doing something wrong? From the looks of the schematics, only one side lug and the center are used, and the 3rd is tied to anything.

Thanks for the help,
Jim




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From: lance iden <lance.iden@...>
To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:36:59 AM
Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....


James. I think that on your speed pot your open terminal needs to be tied to
the center terminal. Just a thought.Lance

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, James Elliott <johans121@yahoo. com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Newbie here....
>
> I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to be
> working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be
> oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm too
> much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond the
> basics.
>
> -All resistor & capacitor values are correct
> -All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
> -Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
> -I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires
> soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires are
> going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
> -pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time
>
> I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock
> and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.
>
> Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
> Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make
> sense of it for future applicaions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-05 by lance iden

Jim. If you look at the diagram the 22k side is tied to the left terminal
AND the pot wiper. the right terminal is then tied to the 47k and diode.
Lance
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM, James Elliott <johans121@...> wrote:

> Lance, I don't think that is correct. The middle lug is is not soldered
> to ground, it is soldered to the one of the two pot pads (middle to the 47k,
> center to the diode & 22k), if I were to bridge the other lug to center,
> then I would have a constant resistance of 2Meg between those components -
> i.e. CW would be 1.5 and CCW would be .5, or CW = .85 & CCW = 1.25 etc....
> Right?
>
> Does that sound right, or am I doing something wrong? From the looks of the
> schematics, only one side lug and the center are used, and the 3rd is tied
> to anything.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Jim
>
> ________________________________
> From: lance iden <lance.iden@... <lance.iden%40gmail.com>>
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com <cgs_synth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:36:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....
>
> James. I think that on your speed pot your open terminal needs to be tied
> to
> the center terminal. Just a thought.Lance
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, James Elliott <johans121@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Newbie here....
> >
> > I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to
> be
> > working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be
> > oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm
> too
> > much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond
> the
> > basics.
> >
> > -All resistor & capacitor values are correct
> > -All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
> > -Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
> > -I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires
> > soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires
> are
> > going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
> > -pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time
> >
> > I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock
> > and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.
> >
> > Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
> > Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make
> > sense of it for future applicaions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>
>


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Re: Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-05 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

The first thing I would so is remove the diode connected to pin 5 of the
40106. That will let the oscillator free run. If you are trying to do any
tests with the generator in its "hold" state, the oscillator will not run.

Ken
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>Lance, I don't think that is correct. The middle lug is is not soldered to
ground, it is soldered to the one of the two pot pads (middle to the 47k,
center to the diode & 22k), if I were to bridge the other lug to center,
then I would have a constant resistance of 2Meg between those components -
i.e. CW would be 1.5 and CCW would be .5, or CW = .85 & CCW = 1.25 etc....
Right?
>
>Does that sound right, or am I doing something wrong? From the looks of the
schematics, only one side lug and the center are used, and the 3rd is tied
to anything.
>
>Thanks for the help,
>Jim
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: lance iden <lance.iden@...>
>To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:36:59 AM
>Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....
>
>
>James. I think that on your speed pot your open terminal needs to be tied to
>the center terminal. Just a thought.Lance
>
>On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, James Elliott <johans121@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Newbie here....
>>
>> I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to be
>> working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be
>> oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm too
>> much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond the
>> basics.
>>
>> -All resistor & capacitor values are correct
>> -All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
>> -Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
>> -I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires
>> soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires are
>> going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
>> -pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time
>>
>> I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock
>> and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.
>>
>> Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
>> Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make
>> sense of it for future applicaions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
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>>
>>
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Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>
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Re: Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....

2009-04-06 by James Elliott

Honestly.... I think I had it right the first time around. It is working and I didn't do anything.... seems that the internal clock signal is only present at the CLK-O pad when a trigger signal is sent to the module. That wasn't the behavior I was expecting when I was testing the module. I assumed that the clock was free running :-/ Oh well, it works :) That's all I care about!!!

Awesome module Ken!!

Now on to wiring up my CV Cluster, followed by 2 osc's, a sub osc, & 2 steiner filters :)

-Jim




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From: "sasami@..." <sasami@...>
To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:49:57 PM
Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....


The first thing I would so is remove the diode connected to pin 5 of the
40106. That will let the oscillator free run. If you are trying to do any
tests with the generator in its "hold" state, the oscillator will not run.

Ken

>Lance, I don't think that is correct. The middle lug is is not soldered to
ground, it is soldered to the one of the two pot pads (middle to the 47k,
center to the diode & 22k), if I were to bridge the other lug to center,
then I would have a constant resistance of 2Meg between those components -
i.e. CW would be 1.5 and CCW would be .5, or CW = .85 & CCW = 1.25 etc....
Right?
>
>Does that sound right, or am I doing something wrong? From the looks of the
schematics, only one side lug and the center are used, and the 3rd is tied
to anything.
>
>Thanks for the help,
>Jim
>
>
>
>
>___________ _________ _________ ___
>From: lance iden <lance.iden@gmail. com>
>To: cgs_synth@yahoogrou ps.com
>Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:36:59 AM
>Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] Burst Generator; Internal Clock Problem....
>
>
>James. I think that on your speed pot your open terminal needs to be tied to
>the center terminal. Just a thought.Lance
>
>On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:47 PM, James Elliott <johans121@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Newbie here....
>>
>> I just got through building the Burst Generator and everything seems to be
>> working fine except for the internal clock. It doesn't seem to be
>> oscillating. I've spent the last 3 hours looking it over & honestly I'm too
>> much of a newbie to even know how to properly troubleshoot this beyond the
>> basics.
>>
>> -All resistor & capacitor values are correct
>> -All diodes are oriented correctly (and are the correct type)
>> -Solder connections have been checked for connectivity between pads
>> -I am using a 2Meg pot for the internal clock's speed - only two wires
>> soldered, one to the middle lug, and another to a side lug. Both wires are
>> going to the "pot" pads on the PCB
>> -pin 6 of the 106 seems to stay high all the time
>>
>> I do have a scope, and I've tested everything out with an external clock
>> and I can see that the main bulk of the circuit is working.
>>
>> Can someone give me some tips on where to start looking?
>> Also, can someone please explain to me how the clock works so I can make
>> sense of it for future applicaions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
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