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ASR cap values?

ASR cap values?

2008-07-07 by acousmatique

So according to Ken's pages, useful values tend to range between .047uF and .47uF? I want
to use polystyrene caps for these, but the biggest values I have are 10,000pF, which it seems
would be really short time. What values have people found good to use here? I don't even
know what would be a short or long time in say milliseconds or bpm. Has anybody tried
switchable caps here, or would the wire runs cause it to act flaky?

CJ

Re: ASR cap values?

2008-07-07 by Mark

On 7/7/08, acousmatique put forth:
>So according to Ken's pages, useful values tend to range between
>.047uF and .47uF? I want to use polystyrene caps for these, but the
>biggest values I have are 10,000pF

If your heart is set on polystyrene, you might be able to find NOS on
ebay or something, but 10nF is largest value still available from
Xicon. Also, be very careful and use a heat sink when soldering
polystyrene caps. They can't take heat, which is one reason why they
are no longer being made.

Have you considered PPS?? Mouser sells a 220nF PPS cap for .79. I
think you can get Panasonics in larger values from Digikey, but their
online parametric search sucks and I'm still waiting on a catalog. I
just placed an order with Ken, and it showed up in a few days. Good
thing he's not in an exotic far away place like Minnesota.

Re: ASR cap values?

2008-07-07 by Scott Deyo

Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
: )


Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)

The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Mark wrote:

> On 7/7/08, acousmatique put forth:
> >So according to Ken's pages, useful values tend to range between
> >.047uF and .47uF? I want to use polystyrene caps for these, but the
> >biggest values I have are 10,000pF
>
> If your heart is set on polystyrene, you might be able to find NOS on
> ebay or something, but 10nF is largest value still available from
> Xicon. Also, be very careful and use a heat sink when soldering
> polystyrene caps. They can't take heat, which is one reason why they
> are no longer being made.
>
> Have you considered PPS?? Mouser sells a 220nF PPS cap for .79. I
> think you can get Panasonics in larger values from Digikey, but their
> online parametric search sucks and I'm still waiting on a catalog. I
> just placed an order with Ken, and it showed up in a few days. Good
> thing he's not in an exotic far away place like Minnesota.
>
>
>

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Re: ASR cap values?

2008-07-07 by acousmatique

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
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> If your heart is set on polystyrene, you might be able to find NOS on
> ebay or something, but 10nF is largest value still available from
> Xicon. Also, be very careful and use a heat sink when soldering
> polystyrene caps. They can't take heat, which is one reason why they
> are no longer being made.

There are quite a lot of NOS styrene caps out there, I am sure I can find them. What I am
not sure of is which ones I need.

I used to destroy lots of components, and board traces, when I started. Much of the reason
why I am so cautious now is that years ago, if I needed to desolder, traces would always be
wrecked. My old Rat Shack iron was too cold, and the parts often weren't so clean, so
joints took a long time and way too much flux. Lately I use a fairly hot iron and it makes a
good joint instantly, even without any flux. I have been sinking heat with clips for delicate
parts, so hopefully my styrene caps have been making it unscathed.

> Have you considered PPS??

I don't know what this is. Polyester? Polypropylene? I'll look it up. Polystyrene seem to be
my favorites though.

Thanks for the (exotic) suggestions!
CJ

Re: ASR cap values?

2008-07-07 by Mark

On 7/7/08, acousmatique put forth:
>
>There are quite a lot of NOS styrene caps out there, I am sure I can
>find them. What I am not sure of is which ones I need.

Why pay NOS prices when you can get new parts for less money??

Also, make sure whatever caps you buy fit in the PCB. Even if you
can find polystyrene caps in large values at a decent price, they
might be too big.

> > Have you considered PPS??
>
>I don't know what this is. Polyester? Polypropylene? I'll look it up.

It's polyphenylene sulfide, a newer dielectric used in film
capacitors. PPS is quite temperature stable and has very low leakage
current at low frequencies. It isn't as good as polystyrene or
polypropylene at high frequencies, but that's not what you are doing.
If I were building a S&H or LFO, it would be my first choice. I'm
also considering it for envelope followers, but I have to see if it
is practical in large enough values.

Polypropylene also has low dielectric absorption. So that would be
another good choice. Afaik, it is what MOTM uses for the 100/101
sample and hold. Although not applicable here, unlike PPS or
polystyrene, it is widely available in large values and high voltage
ratings. So it is good for most audio applications, including tubes
and passive crossovers.

Polyester has relatively high DA and poor temperature stability. So
it is a poor choice for accurate filters, timing, and S&H. The only
good things about polyester is that it is inexpensive and space
efficient.

While teflon is touted as having the best DA, it isn't that much
better, is outrageously expensive, and only works for small values.
At large values, while still very accurate and extremely temperature
stable, their ESL goes out the window due to their massive physical
size. So I don't get these hi-fi guys buying huge teflon caps from
Russia...

On 7/7/08, Scott Deyo put forth:
>Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
>Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
>: )

Oh, Digikey is in Minnesota. Maybe you could drive over there and
get me a catalog :)

>Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)

I'd only worry about football season ;)

Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-07 by John Laudicina

I have been trying to place an order for a mfos vco full kit from
bridechamber but it does not go through on the email or the order at
pay pal. How do you order and are they legitimate? I have never had
such problems with email and there is no phone number or direct email
to contact them????

I want the kit to fit in my MOTM and like to build kits.

John Laudicina
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Scott Deyo wrote:

> Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
> Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
> : )
>
> Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)
>
> The Bridechamber
> contact@...
> http://www.bridechamber.com
> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> http://www.jealousedison.com
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Mark wrote:
>
> > On 7/7/08, acousmatique put forth:
> > >So according to Ken's pages, useful values tend to range between
> > >.047uF and .47uF? I want to use polystyrene caps for these, but the
> > >biggest values I have are 10,000pF
> >
> > If your heart is set on polystyrene, you might be able to find
> NOS on
> > ebay or something, but 10nF is largest value still available from
> > Xicon. Also, be very careful and use a heat sink when soldering
> > polystyrene caps. They can't take heat, which is one reason why they
> > are no longer being made.
> >
> > Have you considered PPS?? Mouser sells a 220nF PPS cap for .79. I
> > think you can get Panasonics in larger values from Digikey, but
> their
> > online parametric search sucks and I'm still waiting on a catalog. I
> > just placed an order with Ken, and it showed up in a few days. Good
> > thing he's not in an exotic far away place like Minnesota.
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Re: Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-07 by jeff brown

I just go to the PayPal website and send the appropriate amount to
sales@... as spelled out on the order page. The email "link"
is just an email address, not a PayPal shopping link. Yes, Scott Deyo is
legit, and I've ordered from him a couple of times. He's pretty fast, too.

-Jeff


----- Original Message -----
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From: "John Laudicina" <archeryking@...>
To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [cgs_synth] Off topic, maybe some one can help me


>I have been trying to place an order for a mfos vco full kit from
> bridechamber but it does not go through on the email or the order at
> pay pal. How do you order and are they legitimate? I have never had
> such problems with email and there is no phone number or direct email
> to contact them????
>
> I want the kit to fit in my MOTM and like to build kits.
>
> John Laudicina
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Scott Deyo wrote:
>
>> Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
>> Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
>> : )
>>
>> Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)
>>
>> The Bridechamber
>> contact@...
>> http://www.bridechamber.com
>> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
>> http://www.jealousedison.com
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Mark wrote:
>>
>> > On 7/7/08, acousmatique put forth:
>> > >So according to Ken's pages, useful values tend to range between
>> > >.047uF and .47uF? I want to use polystyrene caps for these, but the
>> > >biggest values I have are 10,000pF
>> >
>> > If your heart is set on polystyrene, you might be able to find
>> NOS on
>> > ebay or something, but 10nF is largest value still available from
>> > Xicon. Also, be very careful and use a heat sink when soldering
>> > polystyrene caps. They can't take heat, which is one reason why they
>> > are no longer being made.
>> >
>> > Have you considered PPS?? Mouser sells a 220nF PPS cap for .79. I
>> > think you can get Panasonics in larger values from Digikey, but
>> their
>> > online parametric search sucks and I'm still waiting on a catalog. I
>> > just placed an order with Ken, and it showed up in a few days. Good
>> > thing he's not in an exotic far away place like Minnesota.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-08 by Jeff Laity

What Jeff said. I've ordered from Bridechamber 5 times and the parts
always get here very fast.
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:48 PM, jeff brown wrote:

> I just go to the PayPal website and send the appropriate amount to
> sales@... as spelled out on the order page. The email
> "link"
> is just an email address, not a PayPal shopping link. Yes, Scott
> Deyo is
> legit, and I've ordered from him a couple of times. He's pretty
> fast, too.
>
> -Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Laudicina" <archeryking@...>
> To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:54 AM
> Subject: [cgs_synth] Off topic, maybe some one can help me
>
> >I have been trying to place an order for a mfos vco full kit from
> > bridechamber but it does not go through on the email or the order at
> > pay pal. How do you order and are they legitimate? I have never had
> > such problems with email and there is no phone number or direct
> email
> > to contact them????
> >
> > I want the kit to fit in my MOTM and like to build kits.
> >
> > John Laudicina
> >
> >
> > On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Scott Deyo wrote:
> >
> >> Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
> >> Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
> >> : )
> >>
> >> Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)
> >>
> >> The Bridechamber
> >> contact@...
> >> http://www.bridechamber.com
> >> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> >> http://www.jealousedison.com
> >>

Re: Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-08 by Dave Kendall

Scott Deyo is legit, and very helpful. Answered some queries I had, and
sent the boards and parts very quickly.
I had no problems communicating with him. Highly recommended.

cheers,
Dave
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 02:19, Jeff Laity wrote:

> What Jeff said. I've ordered from Bridechamber 5 times and the parts
> always get here very fast.
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:48 PM, jeff brown wrote:
>
> > I just go to the PayPal website and send the appropriate amount to
> > sales@... as spelled out on the order page. The email
> > "link"
> > is just an email address, not a PayPal shopping link. Yes, Scott
> > Deyo is
> > legit, and I've ordered from him a couple of times. He's pretty
> > fast, too.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Laudicina" <archeryking@...>
> > To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:54 AM
> > Subject: [cgs_synth] Off topic, maybe some one can help me
> >
> > >I have been trying to place an order for a mfos vco full kit from
> > > bridechamber but it does not go through on the email or the order
> at
> > > pay pal. How do you order and are they legitimate? I have never
> had
> > > such problems with email and there is no phone number or direct
> > email
> > > to contact them????
> > >
> > > I want the kit to fit in my MOTM and like to build kits.
> > >
> > > John Laudicina
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Scott Deyo wrote:
> > >
> > >> Watch those MinnesOHta digs, there, Mark.
> > >> Watch it, or... Uff da, dontcha know!
> > >> : )
> > >>
> > >> Scott Deyo (In the land of two seasons: winter and mosquito-time)
> > >>
> > >> The Bridechamber
> > >> contact@...
> > >> http://www.bridechamber.com
> > >> Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > >> http://www.jealousedison.com
> > >>
>
>
>

Re: Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-08 by Bauke van der Wal

i think he's also active on this list right?
always very helpful tips :-)
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> Scott Deyo is legit, and very helpful. Answered some queries I had, and
> sent the boards and parts very quickly.
> I had no problems communicating with him. Highly recommended.
>
>> What Jeff said. I've ordered from Bridechamber 5 times and the parts
>> always get here very fast.

--
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Re: Off topic, maybe some one can help me

2008-07-08 by Scott Deyo

Thanks for all the nice words, folks : )

I am, in fact, 2 legit. 2 legit 2 quit.
Sorry : )

I've been having a lot of fun w/ the Digital Noise lately. Sequenced
drum sounds are very easy, and it functions as a nice dual random gate
as low speeds. I put two sound samples on the site.

The Slope Generator is a great, simple build too. The Sensitivity pot
seems to work like a pulse width, moving smoothly from long Steady,
short Up/Down, to the opposite. With a sequencer, it's a great way to
get extra timed gates, or accents to the VCO w/ an FM pot.

Ken's the man!

Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@...
http://www.bridechamber.com
Jealous Edison Record Kompany
http://www.jealousedison.com
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:06 AM, Bauke van der Wal wrote:

> i think he's also active on this list right?
> always very helpful tips :-)
>
> > Scott Deyo is legit, and very helpful. Answered some queries I had,
> and
> > sent the boards and parts very quickly.
> > I had no problems communicating with him. Highly recommended.
> >
> >> What Jeff said. I've ordered from Bridechamber 5 times and the
> parts
> >> always get here very fast.
>
> --
> the [law-rah] collective : http://www.darkambient.net
> ant-zen : http://www.ant-zen.com
> mirex : http://www.c10cl12.com
>
>

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