Cgs synth

>
> Ken,
>
> Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
> growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
> ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
> was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
> your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
> pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
> question out there to see what you would think. My
> needs would be something like
>
> Attack Pot
> Release Pot
> Gate Input
> Trigger Input
> Envelope Out
> Manual Trigger Button
> LED for twinkly light folks
> MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
> modules
>
> Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
> add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
> could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
> need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
>
>

>Ken,
>
>Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
>but... I have recently found the need for a simple
>Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
>growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
>ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
>was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
>your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
>pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
>question out there to see what you would think. My
>needs would be something like
>
>Attack Pot
>Release Pot
>Gate Input
>Trigger Input
>Envelope Out
>Manual Trigger Button
>LED for twinkly light folks
>MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
>modules
>
>Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
>add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
>could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
>need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
>
>Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
>anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
>save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
>else see a need for something like this?
>
>Thomas White
> Natural Rhythm
>www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
>
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>Ken,
>
>Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
>but... I have recently found the need for a simple
>Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
>growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
>ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
>was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
>your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
>pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
>question out there to see what you would think. My
>needs would be something like
>
>Attack Pot
>Release Pot
>Gate Input
>Trigger Input
>Envelope Out
>Manual Trigger Button
>LED for twinkly light folks
>MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
>modules
>
>Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
>add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
>could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
>need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
>
>Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
>anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
>save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
>else see a need for something like this?
>
>Thomas White
> Natural Rhythm
>www.naturalrhythmmusic.com

>
> Ken,
>
> Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
> growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
> ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
> was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
> your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
> pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
> question out there to see what you would think. My
> needs would be something like
>
> Attack Pot
> Release Pot
> Gate Input
> Trigger Input
> Envelope Out
> Manual Trigger Button
> LED for twinkly light folks
> MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
> modules
>
> Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
> add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
> could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
> need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
>
> Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
> anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
> save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
> else see a need for something like this?
>
> Thomas White
> Natural Rhythm
> www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
>
>
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>
>
> I think a simple AR envelope would be a good idea -- not just for
> drum sounds, but also for modulating filters, synced VCO's, etc.
>
> My modular is in MOTM format, so I'm thinking of a 1U module with
> four knobs and four jacks, having two AR envelopes, each with a
> trigger input and envelope output. Imho, having separate trigger and
> gate inputs is unnecessary.
>
> In order to make better use of gates, it could be designed that the
> envelope is held high as long as input is held high. That is the
> attack starts when the input goes high, and the release starts only
> after the input goes low (and the attack is finished). So it would
> produce full AR envelopes with short drum triggers as one would
> expect, but could also be controlled by using gates of different
> lengths. Also looping, cascading, and different gate/trigger logic
> (eg. the output always goes low when the input goes low, the envelope
> resets on a new leading edge, etc.) could easily be implemented with
> switched jacks and a couple of toggle switches, or hardwired
> according to individual preference.
>
> While I would need to look into this further, if a panel were
> available, this could probably be built using two MOTM-800 PCB's
> (which are $20 each). The problem would be getting decent 1M pots.
>
> On 11/8/07, thomas white put forth:
> >Ken,
> >
> >Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> >but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> >Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
> >growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
> >ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
> >was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
> >your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
> >pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
> >question out there to see what you would think. My
> >needs would be something like
> >
> >Attack Pot
> >Release Pot
> >Gate Input
> >Trigger Input
> >Envelope Out
> >Manual Trigger Button
> >LED for twinkly light folks
> >MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
> >modules
> >
> >Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
> >add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
> >could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
> >need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
> >
> >Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
> >anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
> >save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
> >else see a need for something like this?
> >
> >Thomas White
> > Natural Rhythm
> >www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
>

>The Electronic Peasant has a simple one:
>
>http://www.electronicpeasant.com/projects/ssdrums/ssdrums.html
>
>Look at the "Skin and Shell" schematic, the AD generator. I haven't
>built it but it looks like it will hold a trigger high for as long as
>the attack stage. Low parts count, too!
>
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Mark <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think a simple AR envelope would be a good idea -- not just for
>> drum sounds, but also for modulating filters, synced VCO's, etc.
>>
>> My modular is in MOTM format, so I'm thinking of a 1U module with
>> four knobs and four jacks, having two AR envelopes, each with a
>> trigger input and envelope output. Imho, having separate trigger and
>> gate inputs is unnecessary.
>>
>> In order to make better use of gates, it could be designed that the
>> envelope is held high as long as input is held high. That is the
>> attack starts when the input goes high, and the release starts only
>> after the input goes low (and the attack is finished). So it would
>> produce full AR envelopes with short drum triggers as one would
>> expect, but could also be controlled by using gates of different
>> lengths. Also looping, cascading, and different gate/trigger logic
>> (eg. the output always goes low when the input goes low, the envelope
>> resets on a new leading edge, etc.) could easily be implemented with
>> switched jacks and a couple of toggle switches, or hardwired
>> according to individual preference.
>>
>> While I would need to look into this further, if a panel were
>> available, this could probably be built using two MOTM-800 PCB's
>> (which are $20 each). The problem would be getting decent 1M pots.
>>
>> On 11/8/07, thomas white put forth:
>> >Ken,
>> >
>> >Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
>> >but... I have recently found the need for a simple
>> >Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
>> >growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
>> >ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
>> >was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
>> >your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
>> >pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
>> >question out there to see what you would think. My
>> >needs would be something like
>> >
>> >Attack Pot
>> >Release Pot
>> >Gate Input
>> >Trigger Input
>> >Envelope Out
>> >Manual Trigger Button
>> >LED for twinkly light folks
>> >MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
>> >modules
>> >
>> >Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
>> >add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
>> >could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
>> >need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
>> >
>> >Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
>> >anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
>> >save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
>> >else see a need for something like this?
>> >
>> >Thomas White
>> > Natural Rhythm
>> >www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, "data2action" <rdrake@...> wrote:
>
> ooh, yes please. sort of like th AR on ray wilson's soundlab, or
> one of those serge thingamabobs... i know ken's been working on a
> full ADSR, but i'd really like something like this as well.
>
> b
>
>
>
>
> --- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, thomas white <djthomaswhite@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> > but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> > Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
> > growing drum synth section of my modular. Have you
> > ever thought about making a simple pcb like this? I
> > was motivated to ask you after recently rediscovering
> > your bandpass filter pcb with the stacking nature and
> > pcb mounted pots. Anyway, thought I would put the
> > question out there to see what you would think. My
> > needs would be something like
> >
> > Attack Pot
> > Release Pot
> > Gate Input
> > Trigger Input
> > Envelope Out
> > Manual Trigger Button
> > LED for twinkly light folks
> > MTA-156 power connector as standard with most other
> > modules
> >
> > Of course, if you wanted to get really fancy you could
> > add a "end out" pulse like the burst generator so they
> > could be looped if you had multiple units. This would
> > need a 4th jack though (but worth it for me)
> >
> > Just my two cents. No other pcb manufacturer has
> > anything less than a full ADSR or VCADSR. I need to
> > save space as many out in the community now do. Anyone
> > else see a need for something like this?
> >
> > Thomas White
> > Natural Rhythm
> > www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
> >
> >
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>Ken,
>
>Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
>but... I have recently found the need for a simple
>Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
>growing drum synth section of my modular. ...

> At 11:29 PM 11/8/2007, thomas white wrote:
>
> >Ken,
> >
> >Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> >but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> >Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with
> my
> >growing drum synth section of my modular. ...
>
> A bi-directional slew limiter - such as Harry's
> Morph Lag - turns a
> gate into an A/R envelope. I hope that we're not
> overlooking that,
> although I know that it doesn't meet all needs for
> AD/AR generators.
> --
> john
>
>
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>
> At 11:29 PM 11/8/2007, thomas white wrote:
>
> >Ken,
> >
> >Not too sure what your thoughts would be on this
> >but... I have recently found the need for a simple
> >Attack/Decay or Attack/Release module to use with my
> >growing drum synth section of my modular. ...
>
> A bi-directional slew limiter - such as Harry's Morph Lag - turns a
> gate into an A/R envelope. I hope that we're not overlooking that,
> although I know that it doesn't meet all needs for AD/AR generators.
> --
> john
>

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>
> A bi-directional slew limiter - such as Harry's Morph Lag - turns a
> gate into an A/R envelope. I hope that we're not overlooking that,
> although I know that it doesn't meet all needs for AD/AR generators.
> --
> john
>
>

> Hi all,
>
> Updates on my "Drumvelope" Project idea... and a
> whole
> new rant.
>
> Side note 1st: This weekend I built out the Barry
> Klein AD Envelope Generator from his music circuits
> book. It uses 5M Log pots, which I cannot find, but
> it
> seems to work decently with 1M Log pots too. I find
> the attack to be sharp and the decay to be of
> acceptable length with the parts listed in the book.
> My approach was breadboard and took only 16 parts,
> but
> I still long for a pcb of a module like this
> including
> the stackable feature that has been thrown around on
> this list.
>
> I plan to order and use my version (which will end
> up
> as 4 breadboarded circuits: 2xAD, 2xAR envelopes)
> with
> the CGS slope detector to allow the sections to be
> stackable with the outputs mixed via a CGS mixer
> pcb.
> Here's hoping for a simple module with all these
> functions in one.
>
> What would be great is an 8-step AD/Slope module
> with
> gate switches. Why? Imagine each AD stage has a
> "falling" or "end" out gate signal. Each stages gate
> signal would be used to start the next AD stage in
> the
> "sequence", but the gates of each stage (and the
> CV's)
> would all also be routed through switches to an on
> board mixer to allow for a "mixed" set of gate and
> CV
> jacks. This would create a sequenced envelope type
> of
> structure that sounds great in my mind, but I don't
> have enough modules to simulate it now. What are
> your
> thoughts on this?
>
> Thomas
>
> PS. I keep thinking that one gate signal creating a
> repetitious firing CV sequencer with irregular
> rhythm
> length would allow for some cool simulations like
> bird-calls or similar (you know, those birds that
> have
> a unique tune that repeats over and over, almost
> identically really) Enough already, I'm out for now!
>
> Thomas White
> Natural Rhythm
> www.naturalrhythmmusic.com
>
>
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> Hi all,
>
>

>
> What would be great is an 8-step AD/Slope module with
> gate switches. Why? Imagine each AD stage has a
> "falling" or "end" out gate signal. Each stages gate
> signal would be used to start the next AD stage in the
> "sequence", but the gates of each stage (and the CV's)
> would all also be routed through switches to an on
> board mixer to allow for a "mixed" set of gate and CV
> jacks. This would create a sequenced envelope type of
> structure that sounds great in my mind, but I don't
> have enough modules to simulate it now. What are your
> thoughts on this?
>
> Thomas
>
> PS. I keep thinking that one gate signal creating a
> repetitious firing CV sequencer with irregular rhythm
> length would allow for some cool simulations like
> bird-calls or similar (you know, those birds that have
> a unique tune that repeats over and over, almost
> identically really) Enough already, I'm out for now!

On Nov 11, 2007 7:12 PM, thomas white <djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
>
> What would be great is an 8-step AD/Slope module with
> gate switches. Why? Imagine each AD stage has a
> "falling" or "end" out gate signal. Each stages gate
> signal would be used to start the next AD stage in the
> "sequence", but the gates of each stage (and the CV's)
> would all also be routed through switches to an on
> board mixer to allow for a "mixed" set of gate and CV
> jacks. This would create a sequenced envelope type of
> structure that sounds great in my mind, but I don't
> have enough modules to simulate it now. What are your
> thoughts on this?
>