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Trying to get my Steiner filter to ring properly

Trying to get my Steiner filter to ring properly

2006-12-03 by Gerald Stevens

Hello,

I finally pulled my CGS35 out of the rack and took it to the garage to give
fixing it one more try. For the most part it works, but the resonance has
never seemed to give it a nice ringing sound. Looking at a its output with
a ~1kHz square wave into the LP input and the filter wide open, it looks
like the overshoot ringing at the top of the step is very high frequency
(10's of kHz). My question is - how is the resonant frequency determined?
Which caps and resistors play a role in defining the resonant self
oscillating frequency? I would prefer to keep this frequency audible.

-gerald


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Re: Trying to get my Steiner filter to ring properly

2006-12-04 by Gerald Stevens

A follow-up (I like to respond to my own questions ;)

Had another look at the description on Ken's site and pondered it for a
while, and I "get it" now - the diodes and 2n2 caps filter the sound. The
2N2222 and 2N2907 pair controls feedback (Q) and hence the resonance. I
tweaked resistor values a little more and managed to get a little bit of
"ringing". Problem is, if you turn the resonance pot further, the signal
amplitude drops dramatically, and the ringing stops. Probably a symptom of
the Q transistors petering out? About a year ago I tried to replace the
2N2222 with a higher gain transistor, but this didn't seem to help.

I'll probably just order the latest eurorack version and give it a go
instead of tormenting my board by swapping components any further.

-gerald
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On 12/3/06, Gerald Stevens <logo64@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I finally pulled my CGS35 out of the rack and took it to the garage to
> give fixing it one more try. For the most part it works, but the resonance
> has never seemed to give it a nice ringing sound. Looking at a its output
> with a ~1kHz square wave into the LP input and the filter wide open, it
> looks like the overshoot ringing at the top of the step is very high
> frequency (10's of kHz). My question is - how is the resonant frequency
> determined? Which caps and resistors play a role in defining the resonant
> self oscillating frequency? I would prefer to keep this frequency audible.
>
> -gerald
>


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Re: Trying to get my Steiner filter to ring properly

2006-12-04 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

You could try changing the value of the resistor I point out in the Euro
version as being a good way to gain more resonance.

Ken.
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>A follow-up (I like to respond to my own questions ;)
>
>Had another look at the description on Ken's site and pondered it for a
>while, and I "get it" now - the diodes and 2n2 caps filter the sound. The
>2N2222 and 2N2907 pair controls feedback (Q) and hence the resonance. I
>tweaked resistor values a little more and managed to get a little bit of
>"ringing". Problem is, if you turn the resonance pot further, the signal
>amplitude drops dramatically, and the ringing stops. Probably a symptom of
>the Q transistors petering out? About a year ago I tried to replace the
>2N2222 with a higher gain transistor, but this didn't seem to help.
>
>I'll probably just order the latest eurorack version and give it a go
>instead of tormenting my board by swapping components any further.
>
>-gerald
>
>
>
>On 12/3/06, Gerald Stevens <logo64@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I finally pulled my CGS35 out of the rack and took it to the garage to
>> give fixing it one more try. For the most part it works, but the resonance
>> has never seemed to give it a nice ringing sound. Looking at a its output
>> with a ~1kHz square wave into the LP input and the filter wide open, it
>> looks like the overshoot ringing at the top of the step is very high
>> frequency (10's of kHz). My question is - how is the resonant frequency
>> determined? Which caps and resistors play a role in defining the resonant
>> self oscillating frequency? I would prefer to keep this frequency audible.
>>
>> -gerald
>>
>
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