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simple wave folder query

simple wave folder query

2005-03-07 by bambam4236

Hi All

Finished building a simple wavefolder and its amazing for something
so simple and cheap to build ;) well the one output i have working
is great!

I had a few questions, with the two 10n decoupling capacitors do i
just solder them onto the two sets of pads on the back adjacent to
the power connections? and also can someone explain exactly what
they do...well i know its for ps decoupling but what exactly does
this do or acheive? sorry im still learning, its happening fast but
some of this si still a mystery.

One of the outputs works great and really afttens up a triangle or
square wave output from a roland system 100 102 expander....seems to
give it that fat nasal sound and actually seems to do a filter type
sweep when the 100k pot is turned...nice but the other output just
seems to drop in volume when i turn this pot so not sure whats up
there??? from memory its the S output that works and the T that
doesnt do much but i dont have it hear so im going just on memory.
Anyone got any suggestions?

Ok my last question is kind of a general one about transistors so
i'm hoping one of you genius's will help me here......its kinda
basic stuff. I knwo there are PNP and NPN transistors ok and from
what i can tell theres one of each on the wave folder.
Where I am lost is i kind of assummed that if the icon for the
transistor on the PCB shows an arrow pointing out of the device that
that indicated the emmitter and if it had an arrow pointing into the
devide that indicated the collector but i've done some web browsing
and have found sites suggesting that a PNP is shown with an arrow
pointing into the device for the emmitor and that an NPN uses an
outward pointing arrow for the emmitter???? guess im trying to get
this right.
Ken kindly taught me how to test transistors with my multi meter (ok
im very new at this) so with that i was able to determine that one
of the transistors was a NPN and the other a PNP and what was the
emitter etc but now im not sure which way they should have gone into
the board......with my thinking i put the 2n3904 with the emitter
connected to the pad with the arrow pointing out of the device and
with the 2n3906 i soldered the connector to the pad with the arrow
pointing into the device. I think this may be where i went wrong as
from my research the icons are reversed depending on if its a PNP or
NPN so i think i ahve one in the wrong way :(
Any help would be really appreciated, once I learn this i'll knwo it
but the web seems to ahve contradicting info so i hpe you guys could
set me straight ;)

Thanks
Brett

Re: simple wave folder query

2005-03-07 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

A couple of answers -

>I had a few questions, with the two 10n decoupling capacitors do i
>just solder them onto the two sets of pads on the back adjacent to
>the power connections? and also can someone explain exactly what
>they do...well i know its for ps decoupling but what exactly does
>this do or acheive? sorry im still learning, its happening fast but
>some of this si still a mystery.

Baically it is a "local power supply" for the circuit in question. When the
circuit demands extra power for a split second, it is delivered by these
capacitors. These peak power demands cannot be delivered by the power supply
itself, due to the resistance of the wires. Note that the resistances are
tiny, as are the peak power demands, but without these decoupling
capacitors, the power lines are dragged around by these peak demands,
resulting in noise on the power lines.

Yes, just solder them on the pads on the back of the PCB.


>Where I am lost is i kind of assummed that if the icon for the
>transistor on the PCB shows an arrow pointing out of the device that
>that indicated the emmitter and if it had an arrow pointing into the
>devide that indicated the collector but i've done some web browsing
>and have found sites suggesting that a PNP is shown with an arrow
>pointing into the device for the emmitor and that an NPN uses an
>outward pointing arrow for the emmitter???? guess im trying to get
>this right.

Correct. It essentially represents the diode that is the base-emitter junction.

>Ken kindly taught me how to test transistors with my multi meter (ok
>im very new at this) so with that i was able to determine that one
>of the transistors was a NPN and the other a PNP and what was the
>emitter etc but now im not sure which way they should have gone into
>the board......with my thinking i put the 2n3904 with the emitter
>connected to the pad with the arrow pointing out of the device and
>with the 2n3906 i soldered the connector to the pad with the arrow
>pointing into the device. I think this may be where i went wrong as
>from my research the icons are reversed depending on if its a PNP or
>NPN so i think i ahve one in the wrong way :(

Emmitters fo the the arrow symbols, yes. The little half-circle that is
drawn around the transistor symbol on the PCB actually indicates in which
way the package should be installed.

Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: simple wave folder query

2005-03-07 by bambam4236

Thanks alot Ken

Always quick with the answers ;) The module is now working really
well from both outputs and i love the results.....i might build
another with one of the transistors still in the wrong way as i
quite liked the nasal type output i was getting until i fixed it
yesterday.

thanks again!
Brett
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> A couple of answers -
>
> >I had a few questions, with the two 10n decoupling capacitors do
i
> >just solder them onto the two sets of pads on the back adjacent
to
> >the power connections? and also can someone explain exactly what
> >they do...well i know its for ps decoupling but what exactly does
> >this do or acheive? sorry im still learning, its happening fast
but
> >some of this si still a mystery.
>
> Baically it is a "local power supply" for the circuit in question.
When the
> circuit demands extra power for a split second, it is delivered by
these
> capacitors. These peak power demands cannot be delivered by the
power supply
> itself, due to the resistance of the wires. Note that the
resistances are
> tiny, as are the peak power demands, but without these decoupling
> capacitors, the power lines are dragged around by these peak
demands,
> resulting in noise on the power lines.
>
> Yes, just solder them on the pads on the back of the PCB.
>
>
> >Where I am lost is i kind of assummed that if the icon for the
> >transistor on the PCB shows an arrow pointing out of the device
that
> >that indicated the emmitter and if it had an arrow pointing into
the
> >devide that indicated the collector but i've done some web
browsing
> >and have found sites suggesting that a PNP is shown with an arrow
> >pointing into the device for the emmitor and that an NPN uses an
> >outward pointing arrow for the emmitter???? guess im trying to
get
> >this right.
>
> Correct. It essentially represents the diode that is the base-
emitter junction.
>
> >Ken kindly taught me how to test transistors with my multi meter
(ok
> >im very new at this) so with that i was able to determine that
one
> >of the transistors was a NPN and the other a PNP and what was the
> >emitter etc but now im not sure which way they should have gone
into
> >the board......with my thinking i put the 2n3904 with the emitter
> >connected to the pad with the arrow pointing out of the device
and
> >with the 2n3906 i soldered the connector to the pad with the
arrow
> >pointing into the device. I think this may be where i went wrong
as
> >from my research the icons are reversed depending on if its a PNP
or
> >NPN so i think i ahve one in the wrong way :(
>
> Emmitters fo the the arrow symbols, yes. The little half-circle
that is
> drawn around the transistor symbol on the PCB actually indicates
in which
> way the package should be installed.
>
> Ken
>
_____________________________________________________________________
__
> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

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