forgot one thing...maybe you could point out which files we should look at?? i'd say bcrstep is the best starting point, so if you could give a brief descritption of which files should be dloaded and how to compile them i would be very grateful! ciao, Goyya --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Martin Klang <mars@...> wrote: > > Hi Karl, > > I've got a couple of Java midi/audio programs here: > > http://mars.pingdynasty.com/software.oml > > source available here: > http://cvs.pingdynasty.com/viewcvs/miditoys/ > > Note that on the Mac, you currently need an external MIDI SPI (eg > Plumstone [1]) to access external (to the application) MIDI devices > from Java. > > As a software developer I'd say that the module approach is an > attractive idea, but in reality the only other projects that would be > able to use it are ones built on a similar platform, ie Java. And for > various reasons there aren't that many audio/midi projects in Java. > > I'm currently rewriting a Java step sequencer in C++ using Juce [2], > which is a nice gui/audio/midi cross-platform library that I can > recommend. Amongst other things, it allows you to do graphical, cross- > platform VST plugins, though it's Win/Mac/Linux only. > > Let me know if I can be of any help. > > /m > > [1] http://www.mandolane.co.uk/dlPlumstone.html > [2] http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/index.php > > > On 20 Mar 2008, at 0:19, Karl Lurman wrote: > > I actually think that as a first step, we look at creating a > > cross-platform LCD emulator to be used in conjunction with the > > existing emulation work found here in this group (files section). I > > have tested this emulation, and I have to say I actually like it > > better than say the one used in LCxmu. The only thing it lacks is the > > LCD to accompany it - at least on OSX. For PC I know there is > > Huskervu, but I believe we need something that is open-sourced, > > modular (more about this below), and platform independent. A java > > application seems like the best candidate here, but I am open to the > > idea of using something like Python too. With Java, we have access to > > several low-level midi libraries, and we can guarantee most platforms > > will have a JVM installed (OSX and Linux have it usually by default, > > Windows = a download from Microsoft of Sun). > > > > Open-sourcing the project will encourage it to be developed and > > maintained - Stuff Huskervu does not appear have any more. > > > > I believe the project needs to be designed as a module. By this, I > > mean that it provides an interface that other applications can access > > it with. For instance, say you have made a mackie emulator application > > for your control surface. This emulator handles the conversion of your > > midi messages to the required mackie command messages for use in your > > chosen DAW. So long as your emulator knows how to access the LCD > > emulator (via its defined interface) it can display the necessary > > mackie info. Heck, it doesn't even need to be mackie info, it could be > > any standard (novation's one for instance). > > > > My initial thought was to see if I can't set up a java application > > that can act as a midi input and output, middleware if you will. That > > would be a great start... Unless someone already has something like > > this I can have a play with already? > > > > Karl > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:57 AM, stutterbrain > > <stutterbrain@...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> no coding ability whatsoever myself I'm afraid, but that definately > >> doesn't go for everyone on the list. > >> Is the aim to provide an emulation in some form? I am quite happily > >> emulating the functions I want just with midi presets on the bcr. I > >> have no controllers with LCDs of much use, I think Novation are > >> probably the only ones I can think of, and the korg microkontrol > >> (which I miss)... > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Karl is trying to get a group together to code something cross > >>> platform, I think? Java perhaps??? > >>> > >>> Right, Karl? > >>> > >>> He has the source from C# huskervu now and one of the old mackie > >>> manuals. > >>> I am not a coder, so I can't be much help coding. > >>> I did however, build GenMce > >>> http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/ > >>> with synthedit. > >>> It is not necessary with the bcr or bcf. The presets work great for > >>> mackie mode. It also is not cross platform. It would be great if it > >>> were... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stutterbrain" <stutterbrain@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> here we go: > >>>> http://www.mediamax.com/stutter/Hosted/old%20logic%20control% > >>> 20manual.pdf > >>>> > >>>> last chapter. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stutterbrain" <stutterbrain@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> hehe, I had the same idea a little while ago, posted on the > >>> ableton > >>>>> forum since I thought someone there might already have thought of > >>> it > >>>>> and saved me some trouble. Didn't particularly seem to be the > >>> case. > >>>>> Anyway I just came back to it while hacking my padkontrol, and was > >>>>> looking at a load of sysex in Midi-ox last night, although I > >>> think I'm > >>>>> going to steal someone else's idea and emulate parrts of the > >>> Tranzport > >>>>> for that... anyways: > >>>>> > >>>>> Google for the Emagic Control Manual - quick look and I can't > >>> find it > >>>>> on web or my computer, must be on the old one, I dunno. If you > >>> cannot > >>>>> find it anywhere, and I do, I imagine I can upload it to > >>> yousendit or > >>>>> somewhere... anyway, the bit that I found interesting looked like > >>> this > >>>>> (taken from Tranzport manual): > >>>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/stutter/Clipboard01.jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> a lot like that, so it might be the same - how many different > >>> sysex to > >>>>> ascii conversion methods can there be? > >>>>> So, have a look at that, and set up midi-ox or some other midi > >>> monitor > >>>>> to capture the outgoing midi from your Mackie-capable host, and > >>> see if > >>>>> the sysex blocks translate into words. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also look up husker-vu and lc xmu - both prove that the display > >>>>> amongst other things are possible (although you say you've seen > >>> those > >>>>> already, so maybe you don't want to look those up). > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll have a look for that manual later on tonight. > >>>>> > >>>>> Matthew > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "goyya76" <goyya76@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i'd like to understand the sysex that are sent to the LCD > >>> emulation > >>>>>> (like huskervu), most of all when in VST inserts mode....my > >>> idea would > >>>>>> be to see if it's possible to associate other actions to the > >>> host > >>>>> output. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> An example: BCR 2000 in MCU emulation mode; i switch to insert > >>> editing > >>>>>> mode, i choose insert 2, the virtual display updates showing > >>> the name > >>>>>> of the FX, the on/off status etc - all this happens via sysex - > >>> if i > >>>>>> send this sysex string to a suitable app (a modular host like > >>> Usine) > >>>>>> and i'm able to grab the name of the FX among this sysex string > >>> (here > >>>>>> comes the question), i could associate a different program > >>> change to > >>>>>> each FX name - sending the program change to the BCR, i could > >>>>>> automatically associate the correct preset to each FX... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> i suppose something like this is the basic principle on which > >>>>>> Novation's Automap is based, ie using the feedback from the > >>> host to > >>>>>> change the controller assignement accordingly - i have a > >>> feeling we > >>>>>> could so something similar on our BCF/BCR.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> any hint on where to look to interpret the host feedback?? i've > >>> seen > >>>>>> two or three display emulation in the files section, and maybe > >>> there's > >>>>>> someone who coded them or helped to code or whatever... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ciao, > >>>>>> Goyya > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: Mackie LCD emulation
2008-03-21 by goyya76