Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Well I don't change page at that time. I just try to save EG2 without changing to EG1 and making a copy of it...

I have BCF.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@... wrote:
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> Yeah, maybe I am misreading this PDF, but it seems page 4/5 that it is possible to change the encoder groups to do strange things ie to support mackie control of sony acid
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> http://dspcdn.sonycreativesoftware.com/whitepapers/acidpro_behringer_whitepaper.pdf
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> See also the BCF manual ... this one is quite good because it covers in more details like the you tube I suggested does.
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> http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCR2000/B-CONTROL_Programming_ENG.pdf
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> Now then I just looked at the BCR/BCF manual.
> And AFAIK whether you have a BCR or F you get the 64 controls via 4 groups.
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> Ich weiss nicht, aber sind Sie ein Fehler machen?
> Are you making a mistake somewhere ... what you describe (and sorry this is just a hypothesis since it seems to explain what you are describing) are you sure you are not accidentally copy the encoder groups?
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> Section 4.2.3 Copying Encoder Groups.
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> select encoder group.
> press store (store LED lit)
> select dest encoder group (dest encode button led flash)
> press store
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> or press cancel to exit.
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> It _could_ explain why you get copies of same stuff in each encoder group?
> 
> Just a theory. Sorry if I am wrong ... but go thru this stuff systematically, observing the storage locations you are affecting, and it should work.
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> Best of luck.
> 
> Regards
> Steve H
> 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
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> > Ok that is odd.
> > 
> > For sure on my BCR2000 it just works.
> > BUT it is the latest OS (but that is 3 years old!)
> > 
> > So I can for sure do this manually or using the software.
> > Sorry all my gear is in my garage 500 miles away.
> > But IIRC on the BCR 2000 there are 8 knobs (which also have buttons).
> > And under this are two rows of 8 buttons.
> > All of these controls are duplicated 4 x in the encoder group of a preset.
> > 
> > BUT each will have a different number.
> > 
> > Then on the BCR2000 there are 24 more knobs per preset.
> > 
> > So when you program by hand ... please check that when you go thru the selection process, that a differnt button/encoder number is shown.
> > 
> > So staying on P1 say.
> > 
> > choose group 1.
> > Go into learn mode ... wiggle first knob top left.
> > What number is it? possible E1 ??
> > Exit out (ie dont save the changes).
> > Now chose group 2.
> > Go into learn mode ... wiggle the first knob top left.
> > What number is it? If it is E1 ... hmmh .. odd.
> > Check visual confirmation that the different encoder group is chosen.
> > 
> > Again this is on a BCR. I have no idea if the BCF for some reason doesnt respect encoder groups.
> > Would be a bummer if it didnt.
> > 
> > The trick is to ensure that the feedback that you get from the programming practice makes sense.
> > And only then can you begin to find the bug.
> > Then in describing the bug ... you may realize it is a real bug .. but ask youself ... why isnt there lots of google hits on this?
> > And the answer might be
> > 
> > 1 - you have a specific defect on your unit
> > 2 - you are making a mistake (not trying to be offensive here!0
> > 3 - you are making a logic error ... the unit doesnt work as you think it does
> > 4 - you are doing everything right, but the manual lies to you OR you need a later firmware because of a bug (which should still get lots of google hits).
> > 
> > It does sound to me you are now describing systematic processes, so let's try to understand what you are doing.
> > 
> > Like I said, BCR this works ... and manually ... which means to me you are in a 1 to 3 above because I know my BCR template has multiple independent buttons for the encoder groups per preset!!
> > 
> > One idea ... maybe the person who had it before reprogrammed the encoder group selectors?
> > 
> > You can test this because when you chose them the E/B numbers will NOT be different when you try to program them
> > 
> > OR you will be on some other preset ... which might make it appear to be working ... like all this things, carefully observe your experimentation and you will surely work it out.
> > 
> > Good luck
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, that's exactly what I try. I program P1: EG1 for piano and save it. Then P1 EG2 for guitar and when I save it EG 1, 2, 3 and 4 now has only guitar... It just makes no sence.
> > > 
> > > If I can solve this any other way I will have a look at Mark's software. Thanks for trying!
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK the save saves what is in the memory at the time of saving.
> > > > 
> > > > If there is already contents in there, the save will save that.
> > > > And keep saving it.
> > > > 
> > > > It may be that the reset makes 4 copies (Ich weiss nicht) but one way ahead might be to test ... what happens if you change the encoder groups of a given preset ... does the save record the new state?
> > > > 
> > > > If it does, then what difference does it make what the control does so long as the ones you programmed work.
> > > > 
> > > > Take Miniak.
> > > > I have programmed 
> > > > P1: EG1 for Osc 1
> > > > P1: EG2 for Osc 2
> > > > P1: EG3 for Osc 3
> > > > P1: EG4 for voice params.
> > > > 
> > > > P1 == preset 1
> > > > EGn == encoder group n (1 .. 4)
> > > > 
> > > > Now, in my case some of the buttons do nothing.
> > > > For me I used Mark's software with Bryce's tips ... and the blank ones have an empty space in the configuration.
> > > > 
> > > > The who system is then backed up to sysex, and stored in my webpage, on my home PC, and in the files section.
> > > > It has been used successfully by others, so I can easily put my BCR (or another one incase it breaks) back to the config.
> > > > 
> > > > There are a couple of videos on how to use Mark's software in the links / files section.
> > > > 
> > > > If you have a PC, and USB cable, this may be a really good way to do it.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > Steve H
> > > > 
> > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems it can't be a difficult question to answer or find out myself but I can't get it to work even after reading about it. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > When I programed Preset 1, Encouter Group 1 using the two lanes of buttons at the top (or almost at the top) and the press store twice Preset 1 is saved, but all the 4 groups saves with the same settings and not just Encounter Group 1. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > How do I save only 1 of all 4 Encounter Groups? I tried to press "Store" and then press the Encounter Group 1 button and then "Store" again but that didn't help...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Jacob
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