Akai S1000 / S1100 samplers

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----- Original Message -----
From: "johnny_flash_2000" <johnny_flash_2000@...>
To: <akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Creating Loops for Live Drumming


>Hi,

dto.

>I\ufffdm new to this board. I am a drummer from Germany who wants to use his new
1100 for
>Live Drumming. Now I got one question for you. Hope you can help me..

Maybe...

>My 1100 is connected to a ME35T Trigger Interface to which my Drumpads are
connected.

Which pads ?

>Now I want to start a two-bar Drumloop with one of my pads by just hitting
it once.

1st : I\ufffdm not a drummer and don\ufffdt have the ME35T.

2nd: I suppose the ME35T creates midi-note-events w/ velocity values from
your pads trigger impulses, .- isn\ufffdt it ?

>I know, I can do this by setting the parameter "TYPE OF PLAYBACK" in the
ED.2 Page to
>"PLAY SAMPLE TO ENDE".

"To End" you mean, - Hamburger... :-)

>So now the two-bar Loop is playing, when I hit the pad. But after
>the Akai has played this Drumloop once, he stops, because in this parameter
mode, the
>akai does not accept any loop points in the sample.

Right, - but the AKAI accepts loop-points in the sample if "type of
playback" is set to "AS SAMPLE" ( means w/ loops ).

>How can I get the Akai to play this
>two-bar Drumloop in cycle..?

Normaly the AKAI S-1xxx series "cycles" looped samples as long a midi note
is held. Note-on starts the loop and note-off ( or note-on /vel=0 ) stops
it.

>I know I can set loop points and set the parameter "TYPE OF PLAYBACK" to
"LOOP IN RELEASE".

All "type of Playback" commands are part of the "Program Edit Mode".

In "Sample Edit Mode" you can define 8 different loops in ONE sample. This
definitions will play back if the "Type of Playback" in "Program Edit Mode"
is set to "AS SAMPLE". ( S-1100 manual V1.0 page 40 ) - do you have it ?

>So now, when I start the Drumloop via an MIDI-
>Keyboard, the two-bar Drumloop plays in cycle. But just as long as I hold
the key on the
>keyboard.

That\ufffds the normal way, the S-1000 / S-1100 handles loops of samples.
If you work p.ex. w/ a midi-sequencer, the loop plays as long a note is
sustained and stops playing if the note is been released.
This is how it should, - normaly.

>I can\ufffdt do this with drumpads of course, because of the nature of drumpads.
>I just can hit it once (or twice o.e..) My wish is to get the Akai play
this drumloop in cycle by
>just hitting the pad once.. Is there any chance..?

Your pad w/ ME35T only creates a "note-on" event AFAIK ( \ufffdcause drum samples
are "one-shots" normaly ), so the only chance is to setup the S-1100 to the
"AS SAMPLE" mode. I this case the S-1100 will play a predefined number of
loops ( max. 8 ) each in a different way.
The "duration" parameter in this mode defines how often each loop will play
until the next loop starts and when the last loop will end.
This parameter is somewhat "limited".

Actually I can\ufffdt check if there\ufffds a "infinite" duration setting at all.
My S-1100 died unfortunally and I never needed this playback-mode \ufffdcause I\ufffdm
a keyboardist.

I wonder, - if there would be a "infinite" duration setting,- how would you
stop the loop at the end of a song live ??? :-)
This would be the main prob IF any "infinite" parameter for loop-playback
would / will exist, - I fear.

Maybe the Midisolutions Midi Event Processor will do the trick ( if the "AS
SAMPLE" won\ufffdt ). It can act as a midi toggle-switch.
http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm

Download the programming software demo from their website and check if there
are programming possibilities for your demands before you buy.

On way could be:

If you hit your pad 1st, a SUSTAINED "midi note on" event will be created,
playing the loop "TO END" or/and "AS SAMPLE" w/ infinite repetition UNTIL
you hit the pad AGAIN, which will create the necessary "midi note-off" event
to stop the loop at any time you want.

Because most of the Midisolutions boxes deal w/ midi only, this
toggle-functionality regarding to "midi-note on" and "off" events MUST be
programmable per midi-channel AND midi note number ( the midi channel and
note of the pad which shall perform the toggle-switch and create the
"sustained" note-on-event ).
IF the Event Processor is doing this, the box must be placed between the
midi-out of the ME35T and the midi-in of the S-1100 AND the box has to leave
ALL other midi-notes and midi-channels of your other pads triggers and
midi-events being sent out of your M35T, - unprocessed !!!
Otherwise ALL your pads will or would act as a "midi-toggle-switch"!

If you are not shure about the functionality of the Midisolutions MEP after
reading the infos and checking out the software, mail to Midisolutions
support.
You\ufffdll get an answer after some hrs/days. They do custom services also and
you can order a device been programmed by factory for your demands.

If the MEP ( and the S-1100 in combination ) is doing all this above in
standard version, you can order it at Thomann ( not all products )...

http://www.thomann.de/smb_suche.html?sn=ae903520c2d9021a727e92c8d61bc24e&SUB
JECT=KOMFORTSUCHE&PAGE=1&SEITE=1&MAINPAGE=1&SUCHBEGRIFF=Midisolutions&x=13&y
=10

Amptown distributed these boxes, but I\ufffdm not shure they do actually, - ask
for it.
http://www.amptown-music.de/


Hope that helps, and...

B.t.w., - ...

I\ufffdm a "Hamburger" too.. :-)

>Thanks for your help
>Greetings from Hamburg
>Johhny Flash

dto., -...

Johhhhhhny Cash

P.S.:

If nothing helps and you want to get rid of your S-1100, - I\ufffdm the one (
need a fully functional digital-board ).
If you ( will ) need some additional midi-accessories ( you\ufffdll see ) to get
your setup working ( depends on the functionalizy of the MEP ), - I\ufffdm the
one too.
I have  midi-thrus, mergers and processors/ matrisses in stock, - used but
in excelent condition.

cheers,...