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Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by cray5656

Hi all

I am interested in tracking down a Wiard 300 series system. I own a
Serge Blue Fun system, and love it.

Is there anything in the Wiard 300 series that the Serge cant do?

If you own both systems what 300 series would you recommend to get.
Classic VCO , Waveform City, Sequentializer etc

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by Michael A. Firman

Well the systems are pretty different but the functionality of the Envelator,
the Mixolator, the Classic VCO, and the Filter can all be found on a Serge
system somewhere (one can argue about the Classic VCO and the Filter I suppose -
all VCOs and Filters are a little different and there is much subjectivity
involved when it comes to those items in modulars). Now the three modules
that are the most profoundly different from anything on a Serge are the
Borg Filter, the Waveform City, and the Woogle Bug. The Sequentizer is a
very unique sequencer also but the TKB is very powerful and can cover most
of the Sequentizers functionality (and a great deal more). The Sequentizer does
have CV selectable stages and has an on board gate controlled glide. It also
has on board quantization and CV controlable octave up and down.

The Serge doesn't have vactrol filters that can be used as low pass gates
(the Borg Filter is such a device). The Serge doesn't provide any wave table
synthesis/transfer function modules (the Waveform City is such a device).
The Serge does have random voltage sources and smooth and stepped function
generators but they are nothing like the Woogle Bug, and there is nothing on
a Serge system that will do the very strange "Phase Locked Loop" sort of audio
chaos that the Bug will do.

BTW I love both systems.

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am interested in tracking down a Wiard 300 series system. I own a
> Serge Blue Fun system, and love it.
>
> Is there anything in the Wiard 300 series that the Serge cant do?
>
> If you own both systems what 300 series would you recommend to get.
> Classic VCO , Waveform City, Sequentializer etc
>

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by Bill Sequeira

Agree entirely with Mike's comments. (hi Mike!).

I would add that as instruments (as opposed to isolated modules) both
systems are philosophically quite different.

The 300 series modules are designed to be "voices" on their own -
most of them are capable of making some kind of interesting sound
without relying on additional modules.

Also 300 series modules are complex in the sense that internally they
are composed of simple modules integrated in interesting ways to
create sophisticated "units" that give interesting results, just like
the Woggle Bug example cited by Mike.

Grant adopted the philosophy that either one of his modules could be
used to augment another system and provide a different voice for it.

I adopted the theory of building instruments rather than collecting
modules, so I went down the path of putting together a complete
instrument with 300 series modules. Think when used this way the 300
series are very unique and give you somewhat of a Buchla-esque flavor
that Serge does not have when used straight through.

The above is not exactly what you asked but figured it might be
useful in feeling your way through the system differences, as some of
them stem from philosophy rather than functionality.

Regards,

Bill
__________________________________________
Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/

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On Mar 1, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Michael A. Firman wrote:

> Well the systems are pretty different but the functionality of the
> Envelator,
> the Mixolator, the Classic VCO, and the Filter can all be found on
> a Serge
> system somewhere (one can argue about the Classic VCO and the
> Filter I suppose -
> all VCOs and Filters are a little different and there is much
> subjectivity
> involved when it comes to those items in modulars). Now the three
> modules
> that are the most profoundly different from anything on a Serge are
> the
> Borg Filter, the Waveform City, and the Woogle Bug. The Sequentizer
> is a
> very unique sequencer also but the TKB is very powerful and can
> cover most
> of the Sequentizers functionality (and a great deal more). The
> Sequentizer does
> have CV selectable stages and has an on board gate controlled
> glide. It also
> has on board quantization and CV controlable octave up and down.
>
> The Serge doesn't have vactrol filters that can be used as low pass
> gates
> (the Borg Filter is such a device). The Serge doesn't provide any
> wave table
> synthesis/transfer function modules (the Waveform City is such a
> device).
> The Serge does have random voltage sources and smooth and stepped
> function
> generators but they are nothing like the Woogle Bug, and there is
> nothing on
> a Serge system that will do the very strange "Phase Locked Loop"
> sort of audio
> chaos that the Bug will do.
>
> BTW I love both systems.
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am interested in tracking down a Wiard 300 series system. I own a
>> Serge Blue Fun system, and love it.
>>
>> Is there anything in the Wiard 300 series that the Serge cant do?
>>
>> If you own both systems what 300 series would you recommend to get.
>> Classic VCO , Waveform City, Sequentializer etc
>>
>
>
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Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by cray5656

Cheers guys

Do either of you have the Wiard System banafied, do you patch the
Serge and the Wiard together? or is there voltage issues?

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by Michael A. Firman

I did not do this nor would I. Although I really like banana patching and
the elimination of multiples, I would never hack up my Wiard in that way.
The Wiard is also heavily normaled (this was done in part as a means to
the end that Bill was describing, i.e. the "System" concept) so one would
destroy some of it's functionality by replacing the 1/8" jacks with bananas.
I also like the compactness of the Wiard system which, again, is in part due
to the use of the 1/8" jacks. When I want to interface the two systems
(or either with 1/4" devices) I use a little box that I built that has a three
rows of connectors. One row of each type connected together down the
columns. There is also one banana jack on it that runs to the ground (the
sleeve connection) on all the phone style jacks. I connect that patch point
to the ground jack on my PSU and I'm set to patch (I got the little utility
box at Radio Shack. It is big enough to support eight columns of connectors.
It's light, looks good, and is very versitile for general interconnecting).

[Hi Bill, long time no see - I still use and like the TX802 I bought from you
so many moons ago. Have you heard from Jack lately?]

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--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> Cheers guys
>
> Do either of you have the Wiard System banafied, do you patch the
> Serge and the Wiard together? or is there voltage issues?
>

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by Bill Sequeira

It never crossed my mind to go tropical on my Wiard and wouldn't do
it now either. :-)

The Dual Joystick comes with 4x format converters/multiples that I
use often, and my Serge system has one panel with 8x 1/8" -> banana
adaptors. I use these to go back and forth between the systems.

The Dual Joystick also has a banana ground that can be hooked to the
Serge PSU to provide common ground for both systems.

The Wiard is a 10v system so I would recommend attenuation in between
to be on the safe side, but other than that you should be ok.

My tendency is to use each system as a separate instrument, and I
don't mix them as often as I thought I would. Maybe a consequence of
having a complete 300 series system instead of single modules, but I
have found their system philosophy different enough that when in the
Wiard world I wiard, and when in the Serge world I serge, if that
makes any sense.

[Mike! - Glad to hear the TX802 found a good home after all :-) -
talked to Jack some time ago and he was in Austin having a good time
- with the inevitable comparison between Austin and Berkeley - he
sounded like he was in the Alamo surrounded by everyone else - ;-) -
we should get him on the horn and see what he is doing to TX these
days ]

Regards,

Bill
__________________________________________
Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/

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On Mar 2, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Michael A. Firman wrote:

> I did not do this nor would I. Although I really like banana
> patching and
> the elimination of multiples, I would never hack up my Wiard in
> that way.
> The Wiard is also heavily normaled (this was done in part as a
> means to
> the end that Bill was describing, i.e. the "System" concept) so one
> would
> destroy some of it's functionality by replacing the 1/8" jacks with
> bananas.
> I also like the compactness of the Wiard system which, again, is in
> part due
> to the use of the 1/8" jacks. When I want to interface the two systems
> (or either with 1/4" devices) I use a little box that I built that
> has a three
> rows of connectors. One row of each type connected together down the
> columns. There is also one banana jack on it that runs to the
> ground (the
> sleeve connection) on all the phone style jacks. I connect that
> patch point
> to the ground jack on my PSU and I'm set to patch (I got the little
> utility
> box at Radio Shack. It is big enough to support eight columns of
> connectors.
> It's light, looks good, and is very versitile for general
> interconnecting).
>
>
> [Hi Bill, long time no see - I still use and like the TX802 I
> bought from you
> so many moons ago. Have you heard from Jack lately?]
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>>
>> Cheers guys
>>
>> Do either of you have the Wiard System banafied, do you patch the
>> Serge and the Wiard together? or is there voltage issues?
>>
>
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Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-02 by cray5656

Hi Bill

The dual joystick. is that the one long panel with the JAG? do you
have a photo?

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-03 by John Loffink

I wouldn't hack a Wiard 300 with banana jacks. If you want to interface the
two, you can build a patch panel for about $100. Here's mine:

http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/wiard/wiard300patch.html

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
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> >> Cheers guys
> >>
> >> Do either of you have the Wiard System banafied, do you patch the
> >> Serge and the Wiard together? or is there voltage issues?
> >>

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-03 by mrcarp@comcast.net

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What are our mounting options for the Wiard modules?

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> I wouldn't hack a Wiard 300 with banana jacks. If you want to interface the
> two, you can build a patch panel for about $100. Here's mine:
>
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/wiard/wiard300patch.html
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
> > >> Cheers guys
> > >>
> > >> Do either of you have the Wiard System banafied, do you patch the
> > >> Serge and the Wiard together? or is there voltage issues?
> > >>
>

Re: Serge Wiard owners

2007-03-03 by Bill Sequeira

The Dual Joystick is a 2u 19" panel with 2x joysticks, 2x gate
triggers and a voltmeter in it, with 2x format converters (1/4",1/8",
RCA and banana) on either side.

The JAG is a different module - it complements the single joystick
produced by Wiard and comes in a Frac Rack format, 3u high. There
are some pics of a 3u 19" complement of modules with 2x JAGs and 2x
joysticks - not the same.

Don't have a pic handy but if you go to the Wiard Yahoo Group site
there are some Dual pics in there.

Regards,

Bill
__________________________________________
Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/

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On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:41 AM, cray5656 wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> The dual joystick. is that the one long panel with the JAG? do you
> have a photo?
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Donations for serge-fans.com

2007-03-03 by Les Mizzell

Good evening,

I just renewed the domain name serge-fans.com and paid the hosting for
another year.I'm seeking a few small donations to help with the expense.
I've asked once before, and basically just paid whatever I got into the
hosting and waited on that to run out before asking again. I've avoided
adding Google ads to the site!

Paypal: lesmizz@...

I'm slowly working on a redesign of the site, but it's still going to be
awhile. However, if anybody has new content they have to donate, now
might be the time...

Thanks all,

Les