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> On Behalf Of beschaving@...
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] serge cases/modules
>
> hello everyone,
>
> i'm considering putting a portable serge system together (well,
> ordering one).
>
> i wanted to ask what people consider a good size system to carry
> around. i would need to be able to take the system as carry-on
> baggage on flights. i guess a two or three panel system is what most
> people would consider an instrument that's comfortable for a musician
> to travel with, but i'd really like to squeeze as much functionality
> in the system as possible. i suppose my ideal at the moment would be
> something like the 6-panel suitcase system on this page (if i can
> afford six panels...)
> http://home.att.net/~djaux/SMMS3.htm
>
> has anyone here tried this, mounting 6 panels in a single suitcase?
>
> another question, and i know this sort of goes against one of the
> principles of serge design, but have there ever been any systems that
> had separate modules? as a doepfer a-100 user i find the idea of
> ordering a panel which is then laid-out like that for eternity a
> little worrying. i have two doepfer a-100 cases in my studio, and i'm
> always moving modules around. for live shows i usually only bring one
> of the cases, but i just fill them up with the modules i happen to be
> using around that time.
>
> thanks!
>
> alex
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>hello everyone,
>
>i'm considering putting a portable serge system together (well,
>ordering one).
>
>i wanted to ask what people consider a good size system to carry
>around. i would need to be able to take the system as carry-on
>baggage on flights. i guess a two or three panel system is what most
>people would consider an instrument that's comfortable for a musician
>to travel with, but i'd really like to squeeze as much functionality
>in the system as possible. i suppose my ideal at the moment would be
>something like the 6-panel suitcase system on this page (if i can
>afford six panels...)
>http://home.att.net/~djaux/SMMS3.htm
>
>has anyone here tried this, mounting 6 panels in a single suitcase?
>
>another question, and i know this sort of goes against one of the
>principles of serge design, but have there ever been any systems that
>had separate modules? as a doepfer a-100 user i find the idea of
>ordering a panel which is then laid-out like that for eternity a
>little worrying. i have two doepfer a-100 cases in my studio, and i'm
>always moving modules around. for live shows i usually only bring one
>of the cases, but i just fill them up with the modules i happen to be
>using around that time.
>
>thanks!
>
>alex
>
>
>Keep on Patchin'!
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Jan-Hinnerk Helms wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> as being German, I'll take Lufthansa as an example for carry-on
> baggage restrictions, and do all this in metric measurements – please
> forgive me.
>
> Carry-on baggage is restricted to 55 x 40 x 20 cm.
> A Serge panel is roughly 43.3 (without the rack ears) x 13.6 (11.5
> box depth plus 2.1 for the knobs) x 17.8 cm.
> So you can carry a 2 panel system with you in the plane's cabin.
>
> If you know an experienced metal worker who can build special boxes
> for the panels, you can reduce the overall depth for each panel by
> roughly 1.5 cm per panel (as you might want to stick to the
> recommended 2.5 cm for air circulation behind the circuit boards).
> This would allow you to bring 3 panels (with one panel's front facing
> the back of the next panel) in a box into the cabin.
>
> Just looked it up – same carry-on limits apply for British Airways.
>
> I don't have a weighing machine here, so I don't know how light a
> Serge panel with its box is, but keep in mind to watch the weight
> limits for carry-on luggage also. Depending on class you fly with BA,
> it's 6 or 9 kg, Lufthansa limit is 8 kg.
>
> The other issue to keep in mind is that you still have to carry the
> power supply, which is a bit oversize. If you also want to take this
> as carry-on luggage, you might find yourself limited to taking 2
> panels with you, perhaps with a rebuilt encasing for the power supply.
>
> And be prepared to answer some curious questions from the security
> personnel at the airport…
>
> Safe travels,
> Jan-Hinnerk
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Hey that case looks amazing.

> Anyone got a clue where they sell those?

> And do the STS panels fit i them?

>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
>
> On 1/3/06, beschaving@... <beschaving@...> wrote:
> thanks for the suggestions everyone!
>
> i guess i meant i wasn't really going to follow the iata standards,
> just thinking of a case that would fit on a plane more or less.
> i'm one of those people who always bring three pieces of carry-on
> anyway.
>
> i find the idea of having a suitcase with two or three panels in each
> half appealing, because serge systems don't seem very deep to me
> (only 2.5 inches for the cases, right?). therefore, they might lend
> themselves to being carried like this, with the panels "two layers
> thick":
> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
>
> looks like a more compact solution then those skb cases, but it packs
> six panels together!
>
> alex
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Jan-Hinnerk Helms wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > as being German, I'll take Lufthansa as an example for carry-on
> > baggage restrictions, and do all this in metric measurements –
> please
> > forgive me.
> >
> > Carry-on baggage is restricted to 55 x 40 x 20 cm.
> > A Serge panel is roughly 43.3 (without the rack ears) x 13.6 (11.5
> > box depth plus 2.1 for the knobs) x 17.8 cm.
> > So you can carry a 2 panel system with you in the plane's cabin.
> >
> > If you know an experienced metal worker who can build special boxes
> > for the panels, you can reduce the overall depth for each panel by
> > roughly 1.5 cm per panel (as you might want to stick to the
> > recommended 2.5 cm for air circulation behind the circuit boards).
> > This would allow you to bring 3 panels (with one panel's front
> facing
> > the back of the next panel) in a box into the cabin.
> >
> > Just looked it up – same carry-on limits apply for British Airways.
> >
> > I don't have a weighing machine here, so I don't know how light a
> > Serge panel with its box is, but keep in mind to watch the weight
> > limits for carry-on luggage also. Depending on class you fly with
> BA,
> > it's 6 or 9 kg, Lufthansa limit is 8 kg.
> >
> > The other issue to keep in mind is that you still have to carry the
> > power supply, which is a bit oversize. If you also want to take this
> > as carry-on luggage, you might find yourself limited to taking 2
> > panels with you, perhaps with a rebuilt encasing for the power
> supply.
> >
> > And be prepared to answer some curious questions from the security
> > personnel at the airport…
> >
> > Safe travels,
> > Jan-Hinnerk
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 1/4/06, beschaving@... <beschaving@...> wrote:

On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Dennis Verschoor wrote:

> Hey that case looks amazing.

yeah, for a six panel serge that looks like a great solution.

> Anyone got a clue where they sell those?

http://www.zerohalliburton.com/

the company makes suitcases, not specifically for electronic
equipment, more for general travel

> And do the STS panels fit i them?

i'm not sure.

we should check with rex...

alex

>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
>
> On 1/3/06, beschaving@... <beschaving@...> wrote:
> thanks for the suggestions everyone!
>
> i guess i meant i wasn't really going to follow the iata standards,
> just thinking of a case that would fit on a plane more or less.
> i'm one of those people who always bring three pieces of carry-on
> anyway.
>
> i find the idea of having a suitcase with two or three panels in each
> half appealing, because serge systems don't seem very deep to me
> (only 2.5 inches for the cases, right?). therefore, they might lend
> themselves to being carried like this, with the panels "two layers
> thick":
> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
>
> looks like a more compact solution then those skb cases, but it packs
> six panels together!
>
> alex
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Jan-Hinnerk Helms wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > as being German, I'll take Lufthansa as an example for carry-on
> > baggage restrictions, and do all this in metric measurements –
> please
> > forgive me.
> >
> > Carry-on baggage is restricted to 55 x 40 x 20 cm.
> > A Serge panel is roughly 43.3 (without the rack ears) x 13.6 (11.5
> > box depth plus 2.1 for the knobs) x 17.8 cm.
> > So you can carry a 2 panel system with you in the plane's cabin.
> >
> > If you know an experienced metal worker who can build special boxes
> > for the panels, you can reduce the overall depth for each panel by
> > roughly 1.5 cm per panel (as you might want to stick to the
> > recommended 2.5 cm for air circulation behind the circuit boards).
> > This would allow you to bring 3 panels (with one panel's front
> facing
> > the back of the next panel) in a box into the cabin.
> >
> > Just looked it up – same carry-on limits apply for British Airways.
> >
> > I don't have a weighing machine here, so I don't know how light a
> > Serge panel with its box is, but keep in mind to watch the weight
> > limits for carry-on luggage also. Depending on class you fly with
> BA,
> > it's 6 or 9 kg, Lufthansa limit is 8 kg.
> >
> > The other issue to keep in mind is that you still have to carry the
> > power supply, which is a bit oversize. If you also want to take this
> > as carry-on luggage, you might find yourself limited to taking 2
> > panels with you, perhaps with a rebuilt encasing for the power
> supply.
> >
> > And be prepared to answer some curious questions from the security
> > personnel at the airport…
> >
> > Safe travels,
> > Jan-Hinnerk
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
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> -
> -
> - Music at: http://www.soundclick.com/trestrois -
> -
> - Blog at: http://monopoly.web-log.nl/ -
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>
>
>
>
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "beschaving@..." <beschaving@...>

>
> On Jan 4, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Dennis Verschoor wrote:
>
> > Hey that case looks amazing.
>
> yeah, for a six panel serge that looks like a great solution.
>
> > Anyone got a clue where they sell those?
>
> http://www.zerohalliburton.com/
>
> the company makes suitcases, not specifically for electronic
> equipment, more for general travel
>
> > And do the STS panels fit i them?
>
> i'm not sure.
>
> we should check with rex...
>
> alex
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > On 1/3/06, beschaving@... wrote:
> > thanks for the suggestions everyone!
> >
> > i guess i meant i wasn't really going to follow the iata standards,
> > just thinking of a case that would fit on a plane more or less.
> > i'm one of those people who always bring three pieces of carry-on
> > anyway.
> >
> > i find the idea of having a suitcase with two or three panels in each
> > half appealing, because serge systems don't seem very deep to me
> > (only 2.5 inches for the cases, right?). therefore, they might lend
> > themselves to being carried like this, with the panels "two layers
> > thick":
> > http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >
> > looks like a more compact solution then those skb cases, but it packs
> > six panels together!
> >
> > alex
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Jan-Hinnerk Helms wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > as being German, I'll take Lufthansa as an example for carry-on
> > > baggage restrictions, and do all this in metric measurements �
> > please
> > > forgive me.
> > >
> > > Carry-on baggage is restricted to 55 x 40 x 20 cm.
> > > A Serge panel is roughly 43.3 (without the rack ears) x 13.6 (11.5
> > > box depth plus 2.1 for the knobs) x 17.8 cm.
> > > So you can carry a 2 panel system with you in the plane's cabin.
> > >
> > > If you know an experienced metal worker who can build special boxes
> > > for the panels, you can reduce the overall depth for each panel by
> > > roughly 1.5 cm per panel (as you might want to stick to the
> > > recommended 2.5 cm for air circulation behind the circuit boards).
> > > This would allow you to bring 3 panels (with one panel's front
> > facing
> > > the back of the next panel) in a box into the cabin.
> > >
> > > Just looked it up � same carry-on limits apply for British Airways.
> > >
> > > I don't have a weighing machine here, so I don't know how light a
> > > Serge panel with its box is, but keep in mind to watch the weight
> > > limits for carry-on luggage also. Depending on class you fly with
> > BA,
> > > it's 6 or 9 kg, Lufthansa limit is 8 kg.
> > >
> > > The other issue to keep in mind is that you still have to carry the
> > > power supply, which is a bit oversize. If you also want to take this
> > > as carry-on luggage, you might find yourself limited to taking 2
> > > panels with you, perhaps with a rebuilt encasing for the power
> > supply.
> > >
> > > And be prepared to answer some curious questions from the security
> > > personnel at the airport�
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > > Jan-Hinnerk
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------
> > - Gear pictures at: http://jx.riscy.net/gallery/albums.php -
> > -
> > -
> > - Music at: http://www.soundclick.com/trestrois -
> > -
> > - Blog at: http://monopoly.web-log.nl/ -
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > Electronic music production Synthesizer music Electronic music
> > Analog synthesizer Electronic music mp3 Music sampler
> >
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
> >
> > Visit your group "SergeModular" on the web.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> >
>
>
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> > Anyone got a clue where they sell those?
>
> http://www.zerohalliburton.com/

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@c... wrote:
>
> yes they will fit, but you must have your chassis built or retrofitted to the "transit" chassis
format.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "metafoetus2002" <jan-hinnerk.helms@...>
Hi John,
can you please explain what the difference is between the normal 19"-chassis and the transit
chassis?
Thanks much,
best regards,
Jan-Hinnerk

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, darkstr1746@c... wrote:
>
> yes they will fit, but you must have your chassis built or retrofitted to the "transit" chassis
format.