SergeModular

> Anybody know of a way to turn a DSG/DTG into a true Attack/Decay EG?
> I don't mean what one can get by feeding a pulse/gate into
> the "trigger" input (the result of this is an AD envelope which
> unfortunately WON'T retrigger until it decays back to zero. I don't
> want this!!).
> I want the ability to have an AD EG that can be retriggered with any
> speed desired, without having to wait 'till it decays off.
> Anybody know anybody who can monkey with this thing and turn it into
> the above?
> Let me know.
> cuari7

>I get mine by feeding a gate into the INPUT jack instead of the TRIG jack...
>
>is this correct folks?
>
>any other methods...?
>
>KD
>
>
>
>>Anybody know of a way to turn a DSG/DTG into a true Attack/Decay EG?
>>I don't mean what one can get by feeding a pulse/gate into
>>the "trigger" input (the result of this is an AD envelope which
>>unfortunately WON'T retrigger until it decays back to zero. I don't
>>want this!!).
>>I want the ability to have an AD EG that can be retriggered with any
>>speed desired, without having to wait 'till it decays off.
>>Anybody know anybody who can monkey with this thing and turn it into
>>the above?
>>Let me know.
>>cuari7
>>
>>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
>
> Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> So, any ideas?
> I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
>
> cuari7
>
> PS: Panel still FS....
>
>
>
>
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>
> Keep on Patchin'!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
> Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the post
> 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> processor
> stage.
>
> GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values. GATE
> OUT
> gives an inverted trigger.
>
> GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V on
> Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual Processor).
> This gives a positive biased trigger.
>
> OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the time
> between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> slope
> point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> >
> > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > So, any ideas?
> > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> >
> > cuari7
> >
> > PS: Panel still FS....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
> The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a pulse
> stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
> the
> clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> attack
> and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> other
> part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through an
> inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
>
> As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain stage,
> the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height. I'm
> particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using a
> sin to set the envelope height.
>
> Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
>
> I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> are
> by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
>
> James R. Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the post
> > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > processor
> > stage.
> >
> > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values. GATE
> > OUT
> > gives an inverted trigger.
> >
> > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> on
> > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual Processor).
> > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> >
> > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the time
> > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > slope
> > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > > So, any ideas?
> > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > >
> > > cuari7
> > >
> > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
> Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> high 99% of the time, rather than low.
>
> John Loffink
> The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> pulse
> > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
> > the
> > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > attack
> > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > other
> > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
> an
> > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> >
> > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> stage,
> > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> I'm
> > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
> a
> > sin to set the envelope height.
> >
> > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> >
> > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> > are
> > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> >
> > James R. Coplin
> > ***************
> > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > for a spot of tea and am not
> > expected back any time soon.
> > ***************
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> post
> > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > processor
> > > stage.
> > >
> > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> GATE
> > > OUT
> > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > >
> > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> > on
> > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> Processor).
> > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > >
> > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> time
> > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> > > slope
> > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > >
> > > John Loffink
> > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > >
> > > > cuari7
> > > >
> > > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > >
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> >
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>That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
>rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the other
>half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
>
>True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it is
>fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
>certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
>applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
>"strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
>using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
>without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
>
>James R. Coplin
>***************
>If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
>simply tell them i've gone out the window
>for a spot of tea and am not
>expected back any time soon.
>***************
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>>
>>Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
>>high 99% of the time, rather than low.
>>
>>John Loffink
>>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
>>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
>>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
>>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>>>
>>>The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
>>>
>>>
>>pulse
>>
>>
>>>stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates from
>>>the
>>>clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
>>>attack
>>>and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
>>>other
>>>part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
>>>first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
>>>
>>>
>>an
>>
>>
>>>inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
>>>
>>>As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
>>>
>>>
>>stage,
>>
>>
>>>the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
>>>Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
>>>
>>>
>>I'm
>>
>>
>>>particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
>>>
>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>sin to set the envelope height.
>>>
>>>Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
>>>"chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
>>>
>>>I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
>>>are
>>>by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
>>>
>>>James R. Coplin
>>>***************
>>>If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
>>>simply tell them i've gone out the window
>>>for a spot of tea and am not
>>>expected back any time soon.
>>>***************
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
>>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>>>>
>>>>Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
>>>>
>>>>
>>post
>>
>>
>>>>1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
>>>>processor
>>>>stage.
>>>>
>>>>GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>GATE
>>
>>
>>>>OUT
>>>>gives an inverted trigger.
>>>>
>>>>GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
>>>>
>>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
>>>>
>>>>
>>Processor).
>>
>>
>>>>This gives a positive biased trigger.
>>>>
>>>>OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
>>>>triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
>>>>
>>>>
>>time
>>
>>
>>>>between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
>>>>slope
>>>>point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
>>>>
>>>>John Loffink
>>>>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
>>>>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
>>>>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
>>>>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
>>>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
>>>>>an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
>>>>>long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
>>>>>attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
>>>>>allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
>>>>>key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
>>>>>least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
>>>>>Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
>>>>>between A/D or A/R envelopes.
>>>>>To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
>>>>>program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
>>>>>Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
>>>>>I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
>>>>>So, any ideas?
>>>>>I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
>>>>>the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
>>>>>I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
>>>>>DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
>>>>>
>>>>>cuari7
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: Panel still FS....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Keep on Patchin'!
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Keep on Patchin'!
>>>>
>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John P [mailto:johnp299792@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
> Using the regular output is fine for percussive (fast) attacks, but what
> if you want to do the same thing with longer attacks? The solution
> would seem to be to use the Loffink's gate & inverter method. For the
> inverter you could use just about anything, incl the BLOG inverter.
> The attack & decay time of DSG #1 in the chain would have to be longer
> also to 'feed' the attack buildup of DSG #2. For added fun, VC the
> attack & decay times of DSG #1.
> In this case, I think the DSG #1 would be called a 'one-shot': hit it
> with a pulse and it gives you one pulse out, with 'on' time you can vary
> if you want.
>
> James R. Coplin wrote:
>
> >That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a
> zero
> >rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the
> other
> >half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
> >
> >True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it
> is
> >fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> >certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> >applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> >"strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> >using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> >without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
> >
> >James R. Coplin
> >***************
> >If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> >simply tell them i've gone out the window
> >for a spot of tea and am not
> >expected back any time soon.
> >***************
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> >>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> >>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>
> >>Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> >>high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> >>
> >>John Loffink
> >>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> >>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> >>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> >>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> >>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> >>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>
> >>>The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>pulse
> >>
> >>
> >>>stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates
> from
> >>>the
> >>>clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> >>>attack
> >>>and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> >>>other
> >>>part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of the
> >>>first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go through
> >>>
> >>>
> >>an
> >>
> >>
> >>>inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> >>>
> >>>As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>stage,
> >>
> >>
> >>>the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> >>>Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I'm
> >>
> >>
> >>>particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort using
> >>>
> >>>
> >>a
> >>
> >>
> >>>sin to set the envelope height.
> >>>
> >>>Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to control
> >>>"chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> >>>
> >>>I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as they
> >>>are
> >>>by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> >>>
> >>>James R. Coplin
> >>>***************
> >>>If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> >>>simply tell them i've gone out the window
> >>>for a spot of tea and am not
> >>>expected back any time soon.
> >>>***************
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> >>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> >>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>>
> >>>>Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>post
> >>
> >>
> >>>>1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> >>>>processor
> >>>>stage.
> >>>>
> >>>>GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>GATE
> >>
> >>
> >>>>OUT
> >>>>gives an inverted trigger.
> >>>>
> >>>>GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with +5V
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Processor).
> >>
> >>
> >>>>This gives a positive biased trigger.
> >>>>
> >>>>OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is your
> >>>>triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>time
> >>
> >>
> >>>>between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the falling
> >>>>slope
> >>>>point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> >>>>
> >>>>John Loffink
> >>>>The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> >>>>http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> >>>>The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> >>>>http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> >>>>>To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> >>>>>an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> >>>>>long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> >>>>>attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that will
> >>>>>allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing the
> >>>>>key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of at
> >>>>>least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> >>>>>Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> >>>>>between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> >>>>>To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> >>>>>program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain: 0,
> >>>>>Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in mind
> >>>>>I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-D...).
> >>>>>So, any ideas?
> >>>>>I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which allows
> >>>>>the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> >>>>>I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> >>>>>DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>cuari7
> >>>>>
> >>>>>PS: Panel still FS....
> >>>>>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:36 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
>
>
> That's why I said to use the regular outputs not the gate out! With a zero
> rise time the leading edge is fast enough to trigger the input of the
> other
> half of the USG without having to mess with an inverter for the gate!
>
> True, it isn't as steep as the gate but from looking at it on a scope it
> is
> fast enough that I doubt it would matter for things like enveloping. I
> certainly can't hear a difference even at really high rates. Others
> applications this might become critical. Using the gate and an inverter
> "strictly" is more correct but I think you generally can save patching by
> using the pulse generated from the outputs rather than needing the gate
> without loosing anything as the rise time is sufficiently fast.
>
> James R. Coplin
> ***************
> If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> simply tell them i've gone out the window
> for a spot of tea and am not
> expected back any time soon.
> ***************
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:20 PM
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> >
> > Without the inverting/bias stage this results in a gate voltage that is
> > high 99% of the time, rather than low.
> >
> > John Loffink
> > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James R. Coplin [mailto:moog@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:53 PM
> > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > >
> > > The main problem is trying to change the clock as a gate stream to a
> > pulse
> > > stream to avoid the sustain stage of the USG. I just took the gates
> from
> > > the
> > > clock or whatever into the trigger in on one part of the USG with the
> > > attack
> > > and decay set to zero. Take the output of this input the input of the
> > > other
> > > part of the USG and set your slopes accordingly. The attack time of
> the
> > > first usg seemed plenty fast to not have to use the gate and go
> through
> > an
> > > inverter etc. Any objections to this approach?
> > >
> > > As an aside, if you are using the USGs as a envelope with a sustain
> > stage,
> > > the level of the sustain is equal to the voltage present at the input.
> > > Sticking an attenuator on your gates gives nice control of the height.
> > I'm
> > > particularly fond of running the gates through a vca of some sort
> using
> > a
> > > sin to set the envelope height.
> > >
> > > Another good USG envelope trick is to use you sequencer outs to
> control
> > > "chains" of sustain stages for more complex envelope shapes!
> > >
> > > I probably should invest in a whole panel of USGs at some point as
> they
> > > are
> > > by far my favorite module on the whole planet in any system!
> > >
> > > James R. Coplin
> > > ***************
> > > If anyone asks of my whereabouts,
> > > simply tell them i've gone out the window
> > > for a spot of tea and am not
> > > expected back any time soon.
> > > ***************
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:28 PM
> > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > >
> > > > Here's the patch. It will take two stages of a DTG or DSG with the
> > post
> > > > 1994 GATE OUTs as opposed to the old END out, as well as a scaling
> > > > processor
> > > > stage.
> > > >
> > > > GATE to TRIG IN on first DSG stage, set Rise/Fall to short values.
> > GATE
> > > > OUT
> > > > gives an inverted trigger.
> > > >
> > > > GATE OUT of first DSG stage to Scaling Processor INPUT2, Bias with
> +5V
> > > on
> > > > Input 1 and full invert of INPUT2 (you could also use a Dual
> > Processor).
> > > > This gives a positive biased trigger.
> > > >
> > > > OUTPUT of Scaling Processor to second DSG stage INPUT. OUTPUT is
> your
> > > > triggered AD. Set Rise and Fall to taste, but if Fall exceeds the
> > time
> > > > between GATES then you'll get envelopes that retrigger at the
> falling
> > > > slope
> > > > point, which is normal retriggerable envelope action.
> > > >
> > > > John Loffink
> > > > The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
> > > > http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
> > > > The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
> > > > http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: cuari7 [mailto:medejd@...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > > > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: True AD EG
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually feeding the gate into the input jack gives you
> > > > > an "attack/release envelope, with sustain that is present for as
> > > > > long as the key is depressed (so its actually an
> > > > > attack/sustain/release envelope). What I want is something that
> will
> > > > > allow me to get attack/release (up/down) even if I keep pressing
> the
> > > > > key. This is excellent for percussive, staccatto notes. I know of
> at
> > > > > least 2 synths which allow this option: the Moog Sonic Six and the
> > > > > Buchla 200 (the Quad Function generator). They lett you choose
> > > > > between A/D or A/R envelopes.
> > > > > To better understand what I mean, take a conventional ADSR, the
> > > > > program the following: Attack time: 0, Decay time: 50%, Sustain:
> 0,
> > > > > Release time: 0. This gives you nice percussive notes (keep in
> mind
> > > > > I don't use sequencers; only keyboards and body appendages ;-
> D...).
> > > > > So, any ideas?
> > > > > I kow there's a modification for the MOTM lag processor which
> allows
> > > > > the same options (making it a VC-AD/AR EG. Kewl!!).
> > > > > I just wish somebody came up with an idea to do the same for the
> > > > > DSG. It would make it the PERFECT module!!
> > > > >
> > > > > cuari7
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: Panel still FS....
> > > > >
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