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FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by mm123 ah

Dear Serge People,
Does anyone need rack ears for their Serge panels? If so, I have acquired
several spare sets of new ones which I would like to sell for $24.00 plus
shipping per pair. Does this price seem fair? These were not purchased
from Serge or taken from a preexisting setup, they were custom built
replicas of the originals. All you need to do is drill 4 holes and get 4
screws and nuts to attach them to each panel.
I would like to limit this offer to people who can pay with US or Canadian
Postal Money Orders (sorry to anyone this eliminates). Please email me
privately if interested.
Thanks for reading.

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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by Tim Curtis

I'll direct everyone's attention to the ebay ad posted at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894029221

You'll see that these are definitely NOT the type of thing used on modern Serge's - perhaps they're like the flimsy crap of days gone by, but they're not up to the current standards.

Sorry.

Tim

mm123 ah wrote:
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Dear Serge People,
Does anyone need rack ears for their Serge panels? If so, I have acquired
several spare sets of new ones which I would like to sell for $24.00 plus
shipping per pair. Does this price seem fair? These were not purchased
from Serge or taken from a preexisting setup, they were custom built
replicas of the originals. All you need to do is drill 4 holes and get 4
screws and nuts to attach them to each panel.
I would like to limit this offer to people who can pay with US or Canadian
Postal Money Orders (sorry to anyone this eliminates). Please email me
privately if interested.
Thanks for reading.

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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by mm123 ah

Sorry to ruin your day, Tim, but this is NOT flimsy crap.
I havent got the strength to even come close to bending it and consider
these rack ears to be very sturdy.
But maybe you like rolling over your Serge gear with a steamroller?
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>
>I'll direct everyone's attention to the ebay ad posted at:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894029221
>
>You'll see that these are definitely NOT the type of thing used on
>modern Serge's - perhaps they're like the flimsy crap of days gone by,
>but they're not up to the current standards.
>
>Sorry.
>
>Tim
>
>mm123 ah wrote:
>
>>Dear Serge People,
>>Does anyone need rack ears for their Serge panels? If so, I have
>>acquired
>>several spare sets of new ones which I would like to sell for $24.00 plus
>>shipping per pair. Does this price seem fair? These were not purchased
>>from Serge or taken from a preexisting setup, they were custom built
>>replicas of the originals. All you need to do is drill 4 holes and get 4
>>screws and nuts to attach them to each panel.
>>I would like to limit this offer to people who can pay with US or
>>Canadian
>>Postal Money Orders (sorry to anyone this eliminates). Please email me
>>privately if interested.
>>Thanks for reading.
>>
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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by Chris Whitten

> Sorry to ruin your day, Tim, but this is NOT flimsy crap.
I've been itching for months to ask why you exclude so many potential
bidders from your auctions?
Are we Europeans so disreputable for example.
Maybe international postage is such a hassle, it doesn't take much to put
rack ears in a bag and take them down the post office though.
CW

Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by mm123 ah

Dear Chris,

This question just came up on AH and I attempted to answer it but for some
reason my message was not posted. Here is my reply:

As for shipping items only within the US (sometimes also Canada and Japan),
there are several reasons.

-Most importantly, I only ship through the post office because it is the
only convenient way for me at this time. As far as I know, US Mail only
accepts relatively small items for international shipment. Or, maybe they
do accept larger ones but only by BOAT (which takes way too long while the
other party worries that you've stolen their money!). Sure, it might be
possible to squeeze a relatively large and fragile item into a small package
but would it be properly protected when it gets mishandled? No.

-Past transactions I have had with people in countries other than US, Canada
and Japan have taken a lot more time and effort to complete. Payment is a
little trickier too. I have heard complaints about services like PayPal so
I do not use them. I agree with Daryl on this:

"I don't do paypal, nor will I give out a bank account number, both are
risky"

Picking up Western Union funds locally usually takes a VERY long time
because they have limited hours, limited cash and most supermarket clerks I
have encountered seem to even have limited knowledge of how WU works. Last
time, believe it or not, it took 3 hours to find a WU location which was
open, working and had the funds. It was then that I decided not to accept
WU payments anymore.

I won't consider checks because there are too many cases of fraud these
days.

I have also found that it takes a lot more time / communication to deal with
certain people overseas but, from my experience, more often results in no
transaction at all when they realize the time and expenses involved
(shipping, import duties, etc). I have been asked to falsely declare values
on customs forms in the past to save buyers money but this is something I do
not wish to do. An item can only be insured for the declared amount so what
happens when it gets lost or damaged in the mail?

There are other reasons as well, but it all comes down to the fact that,
although people from other countries will often pay more for the same items,
I cannot fit the extra legwork it into my schedule. I am sorry if this
disappoints anyone.

Chris, email me privately if you want to discuss the rack ears in more
detail. If supplies last, I might be willing to work something out.

Thanks.
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>From: Chris Whitten <cw.chris@...>
>Reply-To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
>To: <SergeModular@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [SergeModular] FS: Serge Rack Ears
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:43:11 +0100
>
> > Sorry to ruin your day, Tim, but this is NOT flimsy crap.
>I've been itching for months to ask why you exclude so many potential
>bidders from your auctions?
>Are we Europeans so disreputable for example.
>Maybe international postage is such a hassle, it doesn't take much to put
>rack ears in a bag and take them down the post office though.
>CW
>


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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by skuehnl

Tim said that they're not original Serge rack ears. Your auction text
did not explicitly claim that they were manufactured or supplied by
Serge or STS, but it was strongly implied. Quote: "Serge Modular
Music Systems / Rackmount your old panels! / 2 Rack Ear Set".

I would say that your semantics here were at least confusing. Neither
did you specify who WAS the manufacturer. Interest in auction = zero;
moving on.

Hope this helps.

SK
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--- In SergeModular@y..., "mm123 ah" <mm123ah@h...> wrote:
> Sorry to ruin your day, Tim, but this is NOT flimsy crap.
> I havent got the strength to even come close to bending it and
consider
> these rack ears to be very sturdy.
> But maybe you like rolling over your Serge gear with a steamroller?
>
>
> >
> >I'll direct everyone's attention to the ebay ad posted at:
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894029221
> >
> >You'll see that these are definitely NOT the type of thing used on
> >modern Serge's - perhaps they're like the flimsy crap of days gone
by,
> >but they're not up to the current standards.
> >
> >Sorry.
> >
> >Tim
> >

Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by mm123 ah

Dear SK,

>Tim said that they're not original Serge rack ears.

He's right and I should have made that distinction. I thought I stated that
these were exact replicas of ears from an original Serge panel from the
early 80;s but I did not. My mistake, sorry. Not to prolong this but is it
really that important whether someone who used to work for Serge actually
touched these rack ears? They are reproductions of metal rack ears which
are fully functional as are ones from the 80s. Does the fact that the ears
are not vintage or authentic Serge really matter to anyone looking to reach
their earless panels?

The only problem that I have here is that, in an effort to detract from my
offering, Tim suggested that they were flimsy crap, which they are not. I
would like to know how the current standard is any different from these.
FYI, the photo makes it look like the metal used is thin, however, it is not
all that thin and like I already said, it's unbendable by my standards.

Your auction text
>did not explicitly claim that they were manufactured or supplied by
>Serge or STS, but it was strongly implied. Quote: "Serge Modular
>Music Systems / Rackmount your old panels! / 2 Rack Ear Set".

No, I did not mean to imply that, I simply meant to attract Serge Modular
owners. If I listed these simply as "metal rack ears", how would any Serge
owners find out about them?

>I would say that your semantics here were at least confusing. Neither
>did you specify who WAS the manufacturer. Interest in auction = zero;
>moving on.

Interest from the first post I made to this list = 5 pairs appear to be
spoken for already.

>Hope this helps.

It does, thanks for the input. Next time I will reread my auction
descriptions several times to make sure semantics are correct. ;)

As you said, moving on...

>
>SK
>
>--- In SergeModular@y..., "mm123 ah" <mm123ah@h...> wrote:
> > Sorry to ruin your day, Tim, but this is NOT flimsy crap.
> > I havent got the strength to even come close to bending it and
>consider
> > these rack ears to be very sturdy.
> > But maybe you like rolling over your Serge gear with a steamroller?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >I'll direct everyone's attention to the ebay ad posted at:
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=894029221
> > >
> > >You'll see that these are definitely NOT the type of thing used on
> > >modern Serge's - perhaps they're like the flimsy crap of days gone
>by,
> > >but they're not up to the current standards.
> > >
> > >Sorry.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
>




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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by Tim Curtis

Yes, I guess I was trying to "detract from your offering." I do have a
problem with things being sold with an implication that they're
something they're not. You should have been more explicit about what
era they were copying, not to mention I take exception to the email
subject "Serge Rack Ears." That should have been "Serge COPY rack ears".

And secondly, if you compare the early '80s folded metal rack ears to
what's used now, they do constitue "flimsy crap." One of many
improvements since then was making the panels, chassis boxes, and rack
ears much more solid than in the early days.

Try to be a little more explicit next time and there won't be a problem.

And here ends my diatribe... :-)


Tim


mm123 ah wrote:
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>The only problem that I have here is that, in an effort to detract from my
>offering, Tim suggested that they were flimsy crap, which they are not. I
>would like to know how the current standard is any different from these.
>FYI, the photo makes it look like the metal used is thin, however, it is not
>all that thin and like I already said, it's unbendable by my standards.
>

Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-26 by andre B delise

Not that im selling the ears and I do agree in being explicit when listing but what did you mean when you said next time there wont be a problem
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:33:17
Tim Curtis wrote:
>Yes, I guess I was trying to "detract from your offering." I do have a
>problem with things being sold with an implication that they're
>something they're not. You should have been more explicit about what
>era they were copying, not to mention I take exception to the email
>subject "Serge Rack Ears." That should have been "Serge COPY rack ears".
>
>And secondly, if you compare the early '80s folded metal rack ears to
>what's used now, they do constitue "flimsy crap." One of many
>improvements since then was making the panels, chassis boxes, and rack
>ears much more solid than in the early days.
>
>Try to be a little more explicit next time and there won't be a problem.
>
>And here ends my diatribe... :-)
>
>
>Tim
>
>
>mm123 ah wrote:
>
>>
>>The only problem that I have here is that, in an effort to detract from my
>>offering, Tim suggested that they were flimsy crap, which they are not. I
>>would like to know how the current standard is any different from these.
>>FYI, the photo makes it look like the metal used is thin, however, it is not
>>all that thin and like I already said, it's unbendable by my standards.
>>
>
>
>


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Re: FS: Serge Rack Ears

2002-07-27 by mm123 ah

>On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:33:17
> Tim Curtis wrote:
> >Yes, I guess I was trying to "detract from your offering." I do have a
> >problem with things being sold with an implication that they're
> >something they're not.

Like I said, this was a mistake. It was not my intention to leave out the
fact that they were replicas in my auction description.

>You should have been more explicit about what
> >era they were copying,

I do not know for sure when the rack ears these were modelled after were
produced and therefore would not feel comfortable guessing and stating it as
fact. Can you tell me for sure when they were produced?

not to mention I take exception to the email
> >subject "Serge Rack Ears." That should have been "Serge COPY rack ears".

Actually, I am surprised by your attitude that you even think it's ok for me
to use the Serge name in this case. I suppose you would have preferred I
list them on eBay simply as "rack ears", without telling anyone what they
are for? eBay only allows limited characters for titles and I wasn't about
to waste title characters on something so trivial to anyone but you. I am
not saying that this should not have been noted in the description but I
think you are just trying to pick a fight here.And as you know, on the post
I made to this list, which is what we should really be talking about, I was
clear about them being replicas although it was not in the subject. If you
had such a problem with my ebay listing, you should have emailed me THEN and
I would have been happy to add the fact that these are replicas.

Anyhow, what is the true difference between original "vintage" RACK EARS and
exact replicas of them made several years later? Do they SOUND any
different? These are RACK EARS. Is the vintage age really THAT important
to you? Is it essential that a Serge employee touched them sometime in the
past? They are pieces of metal whose only function are to hold panels in
place, in a rack.

> >And secondly, if you compare the early '80s folded metal rack ears to
> >what's used now, they do constitue "flimsy crap." One of many
> >improvements since then was making the panels, chassis boxes, and rack
> >ears much more solid than in the early days.

flim�sy Pronunciation Key (flmz)
adj. flim�si�er, flim�si�est
Light, thin, and insubstantial: a flimsy fabric.
Lacking solidity or strength: a flimsy table.

You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Flimsy is flimsy. There
is nothing flimsy about the replica rack ears I offered. Perhaps you meant
to say that they are not as unnecessarily sturdy as current Serge rack ears
are. But I am not one to judge that because, much like you havent even
touched one of the rack ears I am offering, I havent touched a new Serge
rack ear and, unlike you, I am not going to pretend that I know anything
about that which I personally havent laid my hands on. Heck, for all I
know, the rack ears I have used a stronger metal than the ones they are
copies of, I have no idea. But I do know this - if you are successful in
doing the slightest bit of damage to the ears I am offering then you will
have totally destroyed the "flimsy" Serge panel its been attached to, so who
the hell cares? :)

> >Try to be a little more explicit next time and there won't be a problem.

I will, but isnt it a shame that some people here (and similar places) have
to always try to detract from the original point, in order to try to make
others look bad boost their egos?

> >And here ends my diatribe... :-)

Thank you. And hopefully this ends this thread. If anyone else wants rack
ears, please let me know ASAP as I only have a few left.

Thanks for reading (and not complaining) - I thought I was offering
something useful and it seems like some of you agree, based on your private
email.


> >
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >mm123 ah wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>The only problem that I have here is that, in an effort to detract from
>my
> >>offering, Tim suggested that they were flimsy crap, which they are not.
>I
> >>would like to know how the current standard is any different from these.
> >>FYI, the photo makes it look like the metal used is thin, however, it is
>not
> >>all that thin and like I already said, it's unbendable by my standards.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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