--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@...> wrote:
Thanks very much for uploading those detailed pictures. Looks great, just how I imagined.
into the suitcase with blocks of foam is. After a week or two of messing around with my
new system, I find that it sometimes requires a LOT of pulling strength to unplug a banana
cable. I'm a little concerned that with a case vertically mounted and me frantically pulling
at patch cables during a gig, I'd pull the whole panel out.
The shock absorption issue makes sense. On the other hand, I've traveled widely with a
Doepfer A-100 (rack-mounted in one of their flightcases) and an EMS Synthi A (fixed
inside the typical Synthi briefcase). Both of these synths are hard-mounted inside their
cases without any shock absorption as far as I can tell, and I've never had any problems
with them.
I'm tempted to sacrifice shock absorption for stability and have my panels solidly fixed to
a custom flight case after all.
I guess the point is that I always handle the cases very carefully, take them in my lap when
riding in a car, always take them with me as carry-on on airplanes etc.
I've uploaded two pictures of my four panels arranged the way I'll be mounting them into a
case. If tightly packed together like this, two panels in each lid, four of them will actually
fit as carry-on luggage on a plane!
They're in the "Four panels facing each other" album.
Thomas
>Bill,
> LOL!
>
> Never pictured you in the fridge business but it makes sense. ;-)
Thanks very much for uploading those detailed pictures. Looks great, just how I imagined.
>On the other hand, I am a little unsure of how stable the solution of squeezing the panels
> I have tried over the years to design a portable case and the
> showstopper has always been shock absorption. I concluded that I
> could have a lightweight case that required a heavy duty case for
> travel.
into the suitcase with blocks of foam is. After a week or two of messing around with my
new system, I find that it sometimes requires a LOT of pulling strength to unplug a banana
cable. I'm a little concerned that with a case vertically mounted and me frantically pulling
at patch cables during a gig, I'd pull the whole panel out.
The shock absorption issue makes sense. On the other hand, I've traveled widely with a
Doepfer A-100 (rack-mounted in one of their flightcases) and an EMS Synthi A (fixed
inside the typical Synthi briefcase). Both of these synths are hard-mounted inside their
cases without any shock absorption as far as I can tell, and I've never had any problems
with them.
I'm tempted to sacrifice shock absorption for stability and have my panels solidly fixed to
a custom flight case after all.
I guess the point is that I always handle the cases very carefully, take them in my lap when
riding in a car, always take them with me as carry-on on airplanes etc.
I've uploaded two pictures of my four panels arranged the way I'll be mounting them into a
case. If tightly packed together like this, two panels in each lid, four of them will actually
fit as carry-on luggage on a plane!
They're in the "Four panels facing each other" album.
Thomas
>
> I guess it depends on how you view your system and cases in general -
> cases are either for transportation/protection or the case becomes an
> inherent part of the instrument. Think both views work together, but
> neither one can optimally supplant the other.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
> __________________________________________
> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 8:55 PM, darkstr1746@... wrote:
>
> > another option would be to contact Maxxline cases in Wilsonville
> > Oregon. they make custom cases for just about every application
> > imaginable. At one time they made me a custom case that housed a PS
> > 6 and four panels complete with wiring harness. the PS was mounted
> > to the bottome of the case and the back cover had recessed
> > telescoping handle and the whole thing had wheels on the back. It
> > was pretty cool. It was also a total pig. The case weighed at least
> > four tijmes that of the panels and the PS combined. It was also
> > more than double the depth of the panels. It looked like a small
> > refrigerator. I really dug it although it was totaly absurd. I used
> > it for about a year. there are no pictures of it. I was too
> > embarassed to take pictures. everyone laughed and i don't blame them.
> > so save your self a bunch of money and just wrap the panels up in a
> > beach towel and carry the PS in a suitcase. You'll be glad you
> > did. LOL
> > john d
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Bill Sequeira <bill@...>
> >> Thank you - will try to upload some more pics in a couple of days
> >> showing how the panels fit together and the side foam.
> >>
> >> I agree that fixing the panels to the case would create too much of a
> >> shock transfer risk.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, portable in the Serge worlds means "portable". I
> >> would never think of it as traveling with a briefcase. :-)
> >>
> >> Even my animoo/tkb combo is substantial once you add psu etc.
> >>
> >> I use a plain old canvas suitcase that is slightly bigger than the
> >> Zero when I need to move it, to prevent any unnecessary scratches.
> >>
> >> But if I was in a traveling band using the Serge, I would invest in
> >> an ATA case custom designed for the Zero - OR, have one custom
> >> designed to rack mount the panels. I love the look of the Zero so I
> >> did not entertain that option.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >> __________________________________________
> >> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:34 AM, riluttante wrote:
> >>
> >>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> There is an (older) picture of my system in Kevin Lightner's site
> >>>> under Serge Station
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.synthfool.com/sequeira.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Humble when compared to the Fist of God at its glorious peak.
> >>>
> >>> Looks great
> >>>>
> >>>> I designed the stand so that the system could function as a studio
> >>>> system that could be split into a portable 8-panel system in a Zero
> >>>> case if I wanted to travel with it.
> >>>
> >>> You probably never took the 8-panel system on an airplane though,
> >>> right?
> >>>>
> >>>> Since then the system has grown to a total of 16 panels, but
> >>>> ended up
> >>>> creating a mini-system out of a mod'ed animal/TKB, so now the stand
> >>>> is back to supporting 14-panels as in the picture.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Zero case system began its life as a 6-panel. The trick (per
> >>>> Rex's design) was to use thick foam to go around and in-between
> >>>> the 3-
> >>>> panels per side, the foam being a bit wider than the actual case
> >>>> (but
> >>>> not much) in order to create mechanical tension on the panel sides.
> >>>
> >>> Right, that's what he suggested to me too. He'd basically squeeze
> >>> the panels in with foam
> >>> on all sides, and have the power harness run below/beside the
> >>> panels.
> >>>
> >>> He didn't want to fix the panels to the case directly using screws
> >>> etc. because shocks to
> >>> the case would mechanically transfer to the circuit boards that
> >>> way, and presumably cause
> >>> more damage than when the panels are simply held in place by blocks
> >>> of foam.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> When I upgraded to 8-panels I did away with the horizontal foam
> >>>> between the modules and added a layer of non-slip rubber between
> >>>> panels to both protect and create pressure to keep the panels in
> >>>> tight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mechanically it works OK as long as you are not attaching a banana
> >>>> cable to your truck's winch, although it is not quite as stable
> >>>> as if
> >>>> you were actually rackmounting the panels.
> >>>>
> >>>> You do have to be careful with the distro cards - if you have too
> >>>> many oscillator panels that have two connectors (instead of the
> >>>> average one) you may require more than two distro cards - I was
> >>>> lucky
> >>>> and my configuration needed exactly two.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can upload more pics if any one is interested.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a chance, I'd love to see some more detailed pics of
> >>> the "travel" system and of
> >>> how the panels were/are mounted inside the case.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Thomas
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>> __________________________________________
> >>>> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> >>>> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm not understanding why you can't do four panels in a case like
> >>>>> the one pictured at the link shown. I had a case like the one
> >>>>> shown. . .hell, that might even be a picture of the system i
> >>>>> had at
> >>>>> one time. It was an elegant solution although six panels was a
> >>>>> little heavy and not all that protable. Four panels in that style
> >>>>> case should be just the thing. I'm also not understanding the
> >>>>> depth
> >>>>> problem unless your panels were not built with "transit" style
> >>>>> chassis in which case your out of luck. Period. Three panels will
> >>>>> fit into a popup Gator case with the wiring harness ( if your
> >>>>> clever with mounting screws) but that doesn't solve your four
> >>>>> panel
> >>>>> problem. Keep searching for a Zero. . you'll find one sooner or
> >>>>> later. . . much later. LOL
> >>>>> kind regards
> >>>>> john duval
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>>>> From: "riluttante" <riluttante@>
> >>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>> That's the only picture I know of too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I spent a lot of time looking at Zero Halliburton specs and
> >>>>> talking
> >>>>> to Rex at STS about
> >>>>> having my four-panel system mounted inside one of these cases.
> >>>>> My idea was to put two panels in each half (like on the six-panel
> >>>>> picture, which has three
> >>>>> panels per half), but very few, if any, of these cases have halves
> >>>>> (shells) of equal depth.
> >>>>> My requirements were to fit the four panels in a case no larger
> >>>>> than the IATA standards for
> >>>>> airplane carry-on baggage. I expect to travel with my system
> >>>>> regularly, and there's no way
> >>>>> I'm checking it in. We couldn't find a case to fit four panels
> >>>>> without being unnecessarily
> >>>>> large though.
> >>>>> I'd be curious to see what your friend comes up with. I still find
> >>>>> these Zero Halliburton
> >>>>> cases a very elegant solution.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, JB <ringmodulator@> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is this what you're after?
> >>>>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2007/1/25, Rick <echo7even@>:
> >>>>>>> trying to help a friend figure this out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> any pics would be helpful
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>> -r
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Keep on Patchin'!
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Sequeira <bill@...>
> > Date: January 29, 2007 6:39:25 PM PST
> > To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: Looking for pics of serge mounted
> > in Zero case
> >
> >
> > Thank you - will try to upload some more pics in a couple of days
> > showing how the panels fit together and the side foam.
> >
> > I agree that fixing the panels to the case would create too much of a
> > shock transfer risk.
> >
> > On the other hand, portable in the Serge worlds means "portable". I
> > would never think of it as traveling with a briefcase. :-)
> >
> > Even my animoo/tkb combo is substantial once you add psu etc.
> >
> > I use a plain old canvas suitcase that is slightly bigger than the
> > Zero when I need to move it, to prevent any unnecessary scratches.
> >
> > But if I was in a traveling band using the Serge, I would invest in
> > an ATA case custom designed for the Zero - OR, have one custom
> > designed to rack mount the panels. I love the look of the Zero so I
> > did not entertain that option.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> > __________________________________________
> > Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> > Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:34 AM, riluttante wrote:
> >
> > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Bill Sequeira <bill@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There is an (older) picture of my system in Kevin Lightner's site
> > >> under Serge Station
> > >>
> > >> http://www.synthfool.com/sequeira.html
> > >>
> > >> Humble when compared to the Fist of God at its glorious peak.
> > >
> > > Looks great
> > >>
> > >> I designed the stand so that the system could function as a studio
> > >> system that could be split into a portable 8-panel system in a Zero
> > >> case if I wanted to travel with it.
> > >
> > > You probably never took the 8-panel system on an airplane though,
> > > right?
> > >>
> > >> Since then the system has grown to a total of 16 panels, but
> > ended up
> > >> creating a mini-system out of a mod'ed animal/TKB, so now the stand
> > >> is back to supporting 14-panels as in the picture.
> > >>
> > >> The Zero case system began its life as a 6-panel. The trick (per
> > >> Rex's design) was to use thick foam to go around and in-between
> > >> the 3-
> > >> panels per side, the foam being a bit wider than the actual case
> > (but
> > >> not much) in order to create mechanical tension on the panel sides.
> > >
> > > Right, that's what he suggested to me too. He'd basically squeeze
> > > the panels in with foam
> > > on all sides, and have the power harness run below/beside the
> > panels.
> > >
> > > He didn't want to fix the panels to the case directly using screws
> > > etc. because shocks to
> > > the case would mechanically transfer to the circuit boards that
> > > way, and presumably cause
> > > more damage than when the panels are simply held in place by blocks
> > > of foam.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> When I upgraded to 8-panels I did away with the horizontal foam
> > >> between the modules and added a layer of non-slip rubber between
> > >> panels to both protect and create pressure to keep the panels in
> > >> tight.
> > >>
> > >> Mechanically it works OK as long as you are not attaching a banana
> > >> cable to your truck's winch, although it is not quite as stable
> > as if
> > >> you were actually rackmounting the panels.
> > >>
> > >> You do have to be careful with the distro cards - if you have too
> > >> many oscillator panels that have two connectors (instead of the
> > >> average one) you may require more than two distro cards - I was
> > lucky
> > >> and my configuration needed exactly two.
> > >>
> > >> Can upload more pics if any one is interested.
> > >
> > > If you have a chance, I'd love to see some more detailed pics of
> > > the "travel" system and of
> > > how the panels were/are mounted inside the case.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Thomas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Bill
> > >> __________________________________________
> > >> Bill Sequeira, PHD - Principal
> > >> Axon Hillock - http://www.axonhillock.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, darkstr1746@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'm not understanding why you can't do four panels in a case like
> > >>> the one pictured at the link shown. I had a case like the one
> > >>> shown. . .hell, that might even be a picture of the system i
> > had at
> > >>> one time. It was an elegant solution although six panels was a
> > >>> little heavy and not all that protable. Four panels in that style
> > >>> case should be just the thing. I'm also not understanding the
> > depth
> > >>> problem unless your panels were not built with "transit" style
> > >>> chassis in which case your out of luck. Period. Three panels will
> > >>> fit into a popup Gator case with the wiring harness ( if your
> > >>> clever with mounting screws) but that doesn't solve your four
> > panel
> > >>> problem. Keep searching for a Zero. . you'll find one sooner or
> > >>> later. . . much later. LOL
> > >>> kind regards
> > >>> john duval
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >>> From: "riluttante" <riluttante@>
> > >>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> > >>> That's the only picture I know of too.
> > >>>
> > >>> I spent a lot of time looking at Zero Halliburton specs and
> > talking
> > >>> to Rex at STS about
> > >>> having my four-panel system mounted inside one of these cases.
> > >>> My idea was to put two panels in each half (like on the six-panel
> > >>> picture, which has three
> > >>> panels per half), but very few, if any, of these cases have halves
> > >>> (shells) of equal depth.
> > >>> My requirements were to fit the four panels in a case no larger
> > >>> than the IATA standards for
> > >>> airplane carry-on baggage. I expect to travel with my system
> > >>> regularly, and there's no way
> > >>> I'm checking it in. We couldn't find a case to fit four panels
> > >>> without being unnecessarily
> > >>> large though.
> > >>> I'd be curious to see what your friend comes up with. I still find
> > >>> these Zero Halliburton
> > >>> cases a very elegant solution.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thomas
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, JB <ringmodulator@> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is this what you're after?
> > >>>> http://home.att.net/~djaux/Image28.gif
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2007/1/25, Rick <echo7even@>:
> > >>>>> trying to help a friend figure this out.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> any pics would be helpful
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> thanks
> > >>>>> -r
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Keep on Patchin'!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
