All about the Roland Jupiter-series

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly [mailto:controlvoltage@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:57 AM
To: analogue@...
Subject: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION

> > Bring your JP-8 to a friend with i.ex the Virus TDM plug-in and play

them

> > side by side... I think you´re about to experience a minor shock!.
>
> yeah cut back the layers of fx and you will be in even more of a shock!

***CAUTION, WARNING, the following contains unadulterated OPINION***

heh heh heh.. so true. The mask of effects sure can hide the truth of VA,
thats why most have it built in. I was playing an MS-2000 at the music
store recently and, although I was only on it for about 15 minutes, I could
not even see how it was possible to turn the effects off. It certainly
wasn't right up front. I've had a few pints this eve, so I'll go ahead and
say what I really mean: I started buying analog because it was easy to use
and I loved the sound, its unique. Its SO good in fact, thats why virtual
analogs even exist, if you love your _ _ _ _ (<---insert VA here) you gotta
thank Bob. Analog is my favorite sound (if you haven't guessed). Digital
does not cut it, not even close. I found the MS-2000 "interesting, looks
good, blah blah" </niceties> lame. I am biased though, I appreciate the
vibrant, rich, full, lively, animated, colourful tones that only analog can
provide... my mind is open but there is nothing out there to match it. I
think picking on "virtual analog" is fair game. Nobody analog made a
virtual digital. (pre-emptive strike: hybrid never tried to imitate the
sound of digital, just the ease of use/stability). The beauty of the whole
"some day they will get digital to be as good" argument is that 'someday' it
might be 'as good', but as an imitation, it can never exceed the original,
the standard by which it measures itself. If it ever got so good that
nobody even wanted an analog synth, then they would have to call it....
WHAT WOULD THEY CALL IT??? (hey, if theres something better than anlog, I'm
alllll ears, the same ears that tell me the opinion your reading now by the
way :-) In the mean time, I'll just hang on to my appreciating, and
appreciated analog boards, the great inspiration of my creativity. And my
DX-7, what the heck. For all of you who thought a 2600 was too expensive at
$1400US 4 years ago, you should have caved in then. Hey, now that they're
2400+ you still might be getting a bargain by 2005 standards. Better hop
on-board now! I'll bet the Nord 5 still won't match its sonics. hee hee
hee...

Thanks. This may not have been the most diplomatic announcement, but I
just felt like singing the praises at this very moment, and you people were
the ones to whom it may concern, THANKS!!! W00T!

* .,:3Õ3*+ .
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'$$s i$$$s ^b.
i$$$ '?$dx, `$b. .
Y$& . + $$m l$$;
-+$. $ '+,$$bY$$$'
~ontrol' `i$oltage
':' `Y$$/ .
' `%

K e l l y . "

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-----Original Message-----
From: ModularMoog [mailto:modularmoog@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:53 AM
To: Kelly; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 08:57, Kelly at controlvoltage@... wrote:

> ***CAUTION, WARNING, the following contains unadulterated OPINION***
>
> heh heh heh.. so true. The mask of effects sure can hide the truth of VA,
> thats why most have it built in. I was playing an MS-2000 at the music
> store recently and, although I was only on it for about 15 minutes, I

could

> not even see how it was possible to turn the effects off. It certainly

This is ignorant, I don´t know about the MS2000 and effects but there most
certainly is _not_ much effects with i.ex the Virus synth and certainly not
the way you describe... it´s a "regular" delay and chorus which you can
easily turn off... does nothing more good/worse to a sound than outboard
delay/chorus effects does to your analog beats.

> wasn't right up front. I've had a few pints this eve, so I'll go ahead

and

> say what I really mean: I started buying analog because it was easy to

use

> and I loved the sound, its unique. Its SO good in fact, thats why virtual
> analogs even exist, if you love your _ _ _ _ (<---insert VA here) you

gotta

> thank Bob. Analog is my favorite sound (if you haven't guessed). Digital

Well guess we need to than mr Einstein first then?.... seriously... What did
Moog/Roland/ARP/name-a-company do in the 70/80´s ??? they copied and stole
ideas from each other all the time.... what direction did they go?... None
of the companies stayed in the analog domain... digital where the results.

Don´t get me wrong because I truely love analog synths but the VA´s do
compete these day´s.

> does not cut it, not even close. I found the MS-2000 "interesting, looks
> good, blah blah" </niceties> lame. I am biased though, I appreciate the
> vibrant, rich, full, lively, animated, colourful tones that only analog

can

Only Analog can do?... go check out a few of the more known VA´s today and
I´m sure you will agree that (no matter if interface sux) you will go back
on that opinion.

> provide... my mind is open but there is nothing out there to match it. I
> think picking on "virtual analog" is fair game. Nobody analog made a
> virtual digital. (pre-emptive strike: hybrid never tried to imitate the
> sound of digital, just the ease of use/stability). The beauty of the

whole

> "some day they will get digital to be as good" argument is that 'someday'

it

> might be 'as good', but as an imitation, it can never exceed the original,

I don´t agree... I think a few VA´s allready does things better than the
analogs (in the same class that is).

> Thanks. This may not have been the most diplomatic announcement, but I
> just felt like singing the praises at this very moment, and you people

were

> the ones to whom it may concern, THANKS!!! W00T!

:-O

Regards.
Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly [mailto:controlvoltage@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:52 PM
To: ModularMoog; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION

> ***CAUTION, WARNING, the following contains unadulterated OPINION***

^
|
|
This was your first clue, call me ignorant again and I'll come to Sweden
and choke you with my 303. You love VA, I love analog, we're both right and
neither of us is ignorant. I think analog sounds better, and it ain't
because I can't program digital. I felt like waxing analog, and its legal
here. (mnnmnnm :-p <---me sticking out tongue nad making that noise the
kids make when they do it)

Ok, I feel better now, thank-you.

Henning wrote:

>This is ignorant, I don´t know about the MS2000 and effects but there most
>certainly is _not_ much effects with i.ex the Virus synth and certainly not
>the way you describe... it´s a "regular" delay and chorus which you can
>easily turn off... does nothing more good/worse to a sound than outboard
>delay/chorus effects does to your analog beats.

Kelly.

-----Original Message-----
From: ModularMoog [mailto:modularmoog@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:51 PM
To: Kelly; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 17:52, Kelly at controlvoltage@... wrote:

> This was your first clue, call me ignorant again and I'll come to Sweden
> and choke you with my 303. You love VA, I love analog, we're both right

and

> neither of us is ignorant. I think analog sounds better, and it ain't
> because I can't program digital. I felt like waxing analog, and its legal
> here. (mnnmnnm :-p <---me sticking out tongue nad making that noise the
> kids make when they do it)
>
> Ok, I feel better now, thank-you.

I happen to come from Norway, but ok... :-))

You say... "you I like VA"... Well I happen to love analogs myself, actually
I like whatever make good sounds to my ears. I once had a Synthex which is
based on DCO´s (and ?software envelopes?)... Great synth but drive your VA
through some analog filter and they are both equal to what analog is.

BTW: you have a 303 ??... what is the point??. Get rebirth and you´ve got
99,9 the original sound... there you go again, people yet has not understood
the true power of VA. Rebirth has better sound today than the 303 (and
control... remember MIDI!!!). There is a certain attack/punchy/agressive..
distortet/screaming sound that you hear in most better techno tracks
today... This where all possible to create after rebirth where released, as
you understand... there is many good things with VA.

VA is getting nice.

As we say in norway...

"taht saw a gib ekoj tsuj ot kcuf ay pu dna si fo esruoc ton eurt. ahah ah".

:-)

Regards.
Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhevolve [mailto:jhevolve@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:02 PM
To: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


Ok Henning I'm Danish and I could't understand a word of that = 0...What the
heck does it say?
Kan du oversaette??? ; )
Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "ModularMoog" <modularmoog@...>
To: "Kelly" <controlvoltage@...>; <analogue@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 17:52, Kelly at controlvoltage@... wrote:

> This was your first clue, call me ignorant again and I'll come to Sweden
> and choke you with my 303. You love VA, I love analog, we're both right
and
> neither of us is ignorant. I think analog sounds better, and it ain't
> because I can't program digital. I felt like waxing analog, and its legal
> here. (mnnmnnm :-p <---me sticking out tongue nad making that noise the
> kids make when they do it)
>
> Ok, I feel better now, thank-you.

I happen to come from Norway, but ok... :-))

You say... "you I like VA"... Well I happen to love analogs myself, actually
I like whatever make good sounds to my ears. I once had a Synthex which is
based on DCO´s (and ?software envelopes?)... Great synth but drive your VA
through some analog filter and they are both equal to what analog is.

BTW: you have a 303 ??... what is the point??. Get rebirth and you´ve got
99,9 the original sound... there you go again, people yet has not understood
the true power of VA. Rebirth has better sound today than the 303 (and
control... remember MIDI!!!). There is a certain attack/punchy/agressive..
distortet/screaming sound that you hear in most better techno tracks
today... This where all possible to create after rebirth where released, as
you understand... there is many good things with VA.

VA is getting nice.

As we say in norway...

"taht saw a gib ekoj tsuj ot kcuf ay pu dna si fo esruoc ton eurt. ahah ah".

:-)

Regards.
Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: ModularMoog [mailto:modularmoog@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:26 PM
To: jhevolve; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 23:02, jhevolve at jhevolve@... wrote:

> Ok Henning I'm Danish and I could't understand a word of that = 0...What

the

> heck does it say?
> Kan du oversaette??? ; )
> Joe

Ja jeg kan, det er ikke noe norsk i denne settningen selvsagt... skal vente
se hvordan folk agerer på postingen min, så skal jeg komme til poenget :-O

> As we say in norway...
>
> "taht saw a gib ekoj tsuj ot kcuf ay pu dna si fo esruoc ton eurt. ahah

ah".

>
> :-)

Trallare...

Sorry, back to english...

Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: ModularMoog [mailto:modularmoog@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:27 PM
To: the finger; analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 23:10, the finger at pedro.monkeyfinger@... wrote:

>>
>> BTW: you have a 303 ??... what is the point??.
>
>
> computers crash

hehehe... noooo!... do they?.

I have a macintosh :-)

Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhevolve [mailto:jhevolve@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:52 PM
To: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


LOL...
The "tranlation"---
"that was a big joke just to fu#k ya up and is of
course not true"---UnIvErSaL TrAnSlAtOr...
Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "ModularMoog" <modularmoog@...>
To: "jhevolve" <jhevolve@...>; <analogue@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


on 30/01/01 23:02, jhevolve at jhevolve@... wrote:

> Ok Henning I'm Danish and I could't understand a word of that = 0...What
the
> heck does it say?
> Kan du oversaette??? ; )
> Joe

Ja jeg kan, det er ikke noe norsk i denne settningen selvsagt... skal vente
se hvordan folk agerer på postingen min, så skal jeg komme til poenget :-O

> As we say in norway...
>
> "taht saw a gib ekoj tsuj ot kcuf ay pu dna si fo esruoc ton eurt. ahah
ah".
>
> :-)

Trallare...

Sorry, back to english...

Henning.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon O'Donnell [mailto:gods.own.prototype@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:12 AM
To: Kelly
Cc: analogue@...
Subject: Re: [AH] WAS: [AH] JP-8 and more NOW: OPINION


I have to agree kelly even though analog is da shiznit. I still like
VA and D*g*t*l. But I except them on there own basis. I would never buy
a insturment to mimick something else EG another synthesis format or a
guitar if you want a guitar sounds then buy a guitar if you want analog
synth sounds then buy them not VA.

I my get my ass verbally kicked for this but some of the d*g*t*l and
VA stuff sounds good. Take the waldorf microwave, the roland D-50,yamaha
DX-7,access virus. All have there strong points in music
composition. But I will never ever buy something that says groove on the
case or is the name sake of past synths.

"F**K D*G*t*l the world belongs to the analog loyalist"<--- (saw it on a
T-Shirt Cool eh)

Kelly wrote:

>
> > > Bring your JP-8 to a friend with i.ex the Virus TDM plug-in and play
> them
> > > side by side... I think you´re about to experience a minor shock!.
> >
> > yeah cut back the layers of fx and you will be in even more of a shock!
>
> ***CAUTION, WARNING, the following contains unadulterated OPINION***
>
> heh heh heh.. so true. The mask of effects sure can hide the truth of

VA,

> thats why most have it built in. I was playing an MS-2000 at the music
> store recently and, although I was only on it for about 15 minutes, I

could

> not even see how it was possible to turn the effects off. It certainly
> wasn't right up front. I've had a few pints this eve, so I'll go ahead

and

> say what I really mean: I started buying analog because it was easy to

use

> and I loved the sound, its unique. Its SO good in fact, thats why virtual
> analogs even exist, if you love your _ _ _ _ (<---insert VA here) you

gotta

> thank Bob. Analog is my favorite sound (if you haven't guessed). Digital
> does not cut it, not even close. I found the MS-2000 "interesting, looks
> good, blah blah" </niceties> lame. I am biased though, I appreciate the
> vibrant, rich, full, lively, animated, colourful tones that only analog

can

> provide... my mind is open but there is nothing out there to match it. I
> think picking on "virtual analog" is fair game. Nobody analog made a
> virtual digital. (pre-emptive strike: hybrid never tried to imitate the
> sound of digital, just the ease of use/stability). The beauty of the

whole

> "some day they will get digital to be as good" argument is that 'someday'

it

> might be 'as good', but as an imitation, it can never exceed the original,
> the standard by which it measures itself. If it ever got so good that
> nobody even wanted an analog synth, then they would have to call it....
> WHAT WOULD THEY CALL IT??? (hey, if theres something better than anlog,

I'm

> alllll ears, the same ears that tell me the opinion your reading now by

the

> way :-) In the mean time, I'll just hang on to my appreciating, and
> appreciated analog boards, the great inspiration of my creativity. And my
> DX-7, what the heck. For all of you who thought a 2600 was too expensive

at

> $1400US 4 years ago, you should have caved in then. Hey, now that

they're

> 2400+ you still might be getting a bargain by 2005 standards. Better hop
> on-board now! I'll bet the Nord 5 still won't match its sonics. hee hee
> hee...
>
> Thanks. This may not have been the most diplomatic announcement, but I
> just felt like singing the praises at this very moment, and you people

were

> the ones to whom it may concern, THANKS!!! W00T!
>
> * .,:3Õ3*+ .
> + ,d$$P`. .
> . j$$$X
> .p$$+-. .$$$$ . `+ +
> '$$s i$$$s ^b.
> i$$$ '?$dx, `$b. .
> Y$& . + $$m l$$;
> -+$. $ '+,$$bY$$$'
> ~ontrol' `i$oltage
> ':' `Y$$/ .
> ' `%
> K e l l y . "
>
> www.mp3.com/controlvoltage
>
>