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How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-08 by ssanking

I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).

My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?

Sandy King

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-08 by mrjimbo

Sandy, 
Epson has a fairly new film that is used to make screens. It has a slight bluish cast to it but boy does this stuff work well. I'm getting a good black on it and have no issue with wet inks as yet. You may be going much farther then I ..just tossing it out..

jimbo
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    I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).

  My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?

  Sandy King



  


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Re:How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-09 by Carl Socolow

Sandy,

I had a similar problem when printing some very dark night photos on 
Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin on my 3800. I'm using Quadtone RIP so within 
that workflow I set the printer speed to uni-directional. I was having 
some banding issues as it seems the ink feed couldn't keep up with the 
demands of the print head. This seemed to do the trick. I don't know if 
this is directly applicable to what your needs are but it seems like it 
might be one approach in that it would give the ink a chance to dry. You 
might also want to try changing the inklimit settings with QTR.

Carl S.

Sandy wrote:


I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer 
printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very 
grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 
3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there 
is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel 
marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).

My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR 
and the Epon 3800?

Sandy King

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-09 by slowboat86

I am experiencing the same problem with the Pictorico with an Epson 4880 using the front paper feed path.  I have even created a custom paper setting within the printer that increased drying time per print head pass, adjusted paper thickness, platen gap, suction, and eject roller settings. 

These settings appear to be honored when I print thru the Epson print driver but when I print thru QTR it appears the settings are ignored.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@...> wrote:
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> I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> 
> My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> 
> Sandy King
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-09 by xrogers2002

How strange.  I used custom paper settings on the 3800 with QTR a while ago (also for digital negative tests), and it worked just fine.  Hopefully nothing has changed.

If you haven't tried that, Sandy, it should be your answer.  You can create something like ten of these using the buttons and display on the printer itself, and select different ones using the same controls.  You can set a "drying time" high enough to make printing times agonizingly long.  Instructions are in the manual under "using special paper configurations".

Until later,

Clyde

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "slowboat86" <pitcherd1@...> wrote:
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> These settings appear to be honored when I print thru the Epson print driver but when I print thru QTR it appears the settings are ignored.

> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-11 by ssanking

Clyde,

I will look into this again. However, at some point in the past I did indeed create custom paper settings from the print display box, but so far as I can figure out these instructions were ignored when printing with QTR.

BTW, I am using the uni-directional setting in QTR, but that does not slow printing down enought.

Sandy King

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "xrogers2002" <xrogers@...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> How strange.  I used custom paper settings on the 3800 with QTR a while ago (also for digital negative tests), and it worked just fine.  Hopefully nothing has changed.
> 
> If you haven't tried that, Sandy, it should be your answer.  You can create something like ten of these using the buttons and display on the printer itself, and select different ones using the same controls.  You can set a "drying time" high enough to make printing times agonizingly long.  Instructions are in the manual under "using special paper configurations".
> 
> Until later,
> 
> Clyde
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "slowboat86" <pitcherd1@> wrote:
> > These settings appear to be honored when I print thru the Epson print driver but when I print thru QTR it appears the settings are ignored.
> 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> > > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-12 by horstenj

I have used my 3800 for digital positives for photo-intaglio purpose on Agfa Copyjet. I needed a very high density as well. MK gave for me a much better result than PK. I made a special QTR curve for it and I used the front (or rear?, I forgot) feed inlet to feed the Copyjet mounted on a board. Direct feed didn't work indeed.

Joost
 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@...> wrote:
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> I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> 
> My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> 
> Sandy King
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-13 by ssanking

Joost,

MK on the Epson 3800 gives a lot more UV blocking than PK at the same percentage so it dries a lot faster. Unfortunately the use of MK gives negatives that print very grainy with my printing process, which is carbon transfer. MK also prints with a lot of grain with other alternative processes, pt/pd for example. Some folks don't mind the grainy look but I come from a LF and ULF background and like very smooth tones.

Sandy

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@...> wrote:
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> I have used my 3800 for digital positives for photo-intaglio purpose on Agfa Copyjet. I needed a very high density as well. MK gave for me a much better result than PK. I made a special QTR curve for it and I used the front (or rear?, I forgot) feed inlet to feed the Copyjet mounted on a board. Direct feed didn't work indeed.
> 
> Joost
>  
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> >
> > I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> > 
> > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> > 
> > Sandy King
> >
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-14 by horstenj

OK, but then again: wouldn't using front or rear feed not be a solution? Also with MK I had similar drying and pizza wheels issues when feeding through the standard paper feed.

Joost
  

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@...> wrote:
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>
> Joost,
> 
> MK on the Epson 3800 gives a lot more UV blocking than PK at the same percentage so it dries a lot faster. Unfortunately the use of MK gives negatives that print very grainy with my printing process, which is carbon transfer. MK also prints with a lot of grain with other alternative processes, pt/pd for example. Some folks don't mind the grainy look but I come from a LF and ULF background and like very smooth tones.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@> wrote:
> >
> > I have used my 3800 for digital positives for photo-intaglio purpose on Agfa Copyjet. I needed a very high density as well. MK gave for me a much better result than PK. I made a special QTR curve for it and I used the front (or rear?, I forgot) feed inlet to feed the Copyjet mounted on a board. Direct feed didn't work indeed.
> > 
> > Joost
> >  
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> > > 
> > > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> > > 
> > > Sandy King
> > >
> >
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-14 by slowboat86

I am following this thread with great interest and am hoping for an answer/solution since I have the same problem with pizza wheel marks on a 4880 regardless of paper path of tray, front, or rear.

On the 4880 the pizza wheel marks are coming from the ejection rollers.  I have congigured on the 4880 printer control panel a custom paper profile that increases drying time per print head pass and turns off the ejection roller(lifts/removes from the paper path).  However, it would seem that when printing with QTR these cusomt settings are ingored/overriden.

So is there a way to increase dry time or force QTR to honor customer paper handling settings?

Cheers,
David

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@...> wrote:
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> OK, but then again: wouldn't using front or rear feed not be a solution? Also with MK I had similar drying and pizza wheels issues when feeding through the standard paper feed.
> 
> Joost
>   
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@...m, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> >
> > Joost,
> > 
> > MK on the Epson 3800 gives a lot more UV blocking than PK at the same percentage so it dries a lot faster. Unfortunately the use of MK gives negatives that print very grainy with my printing process, which is carbon transfer. MK also prints with a lot of grain with other alternative processes, pt/pd for example. Some folks don't mind the grainy look but I come from a LF and ULF background and like very smooth tones.
> > 
> > Sandy
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used my 3800 for digital positives for photo-intaglio purpose on Agfa Copyjet. I needed a very high density as well. MK gave for me a much better result than PK. I made a special QTR curve for it and I used the front (or rear?, I forgot) feed inlet to feed the Copyjet mounted on a board. Direct feed didn't work indeed.
> > > 
> > > Joost
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> > > > 
> > > > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> > > > 
> > > > Sandy King
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: How to slow printing speed down with the Epson 3800

2009-10-14 by ssanking

Joost,

True, using front rear feed does bypass the pizza wheels and is a possible solution to my problem. However, there are logistical reasons (limited space behind the printer) why I would prefer to continue to use the regular sheet feeder and slow down printing speed.

Sandy King

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@...> wrote:
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> OK, but then again: wouldn't using front or rear feed not be a solution? Also with MK I had similar drying and pizza wheels issues when feeding through the standard paper feed.
> 
> Joost
>   
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> >
> > Joost,
> > 
> > MK on the Epson 3800 gives a lot more UV blocking than PK at the same percentage so it dries a lot faster. Unfortunately the use of MK gives negatives that print very grainy with my printing process, which is carbon transfer. MK also prints with a lot of grain with other alternative processes, pt/pd for example. Some folks don't mind the grainy look but I come from a LF and ULF background and like very smooth tones.
> > 
> > Sandy
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "horstenj" <j.h.j.h@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used my 3800 for digital positives for photo-intaglio purpose on Agfa Copyjet. I needed a very high density as well. MK gave for me a much better result than PK. I made a special QTR curve for it and I used the front (or rear?, I forgot) feed inlet to feed the Copyjet mounted on a board. Direct feed didn't work indeed.
> > > 
> > > Joost
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "ssanking" <sanking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am experimenting with making digital negatives for carbon transfer printing with QTR and the Epson 3800. I use PK because MK gives a very grainy look, and in order to get the very high density range I need (log 3.2) I must use a profile that lays down a lot of ink. Problem is, there is so much ink that it does not dry immediately, and I get pizza wheel marks with the regular Pictorico (but not with Pictorico Ultra).
> > > > 
> > > > My question, is there any way to slow down the printing speed with QTR and the Epon 3800?
> > > > 
> > > > Sandy King
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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