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New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-21 by cteditions

Hi all,

I am new to the forum as well as QTR.  I am running OSX 10.4.2 (Tiger) and using an 
Epson R2400 printer.  I have downloaded the QTR program and installed it.  I now have 
QTR folder on my desktop with all or the documentation as well as the Printer Profiles 
folder, Curves folder, etc.

In reading over all of the documentation I could find for OSX I found that I needed to 
download the newest GIMP-Print.  I have downloaded and installed GIMP-Print 4.2.  The 
problem is that I DO NOT see a Gimp Driver for my printer (Epson 2400).

I go to Printer Setup Utility and click ADD.  Then I "Option-Click" the MORE PRINTERS 
choice and I get the "Advanced" dialog that the instructions discuss.  My Printer "Stylus 
Photo R2400" is listed under DEVICE so I choose it.  The URL is filled it for me and then I 
choose Epson in the Printer Model pull-down menu.  NEXT IS THE PROBLEM...

In the "Name" dialog box that pops up I DO NOT see a GIMP-Print driver for my Epson.  I 
see Stylus Color models up to 3000, Stylus Photo models up to 2200 & EX, and Stylus 
Photo R200-R800, BUT NO R2400...

Please help, do I need to install the QTR printer drivers first?  I have NOT installed ANY 
QTR item other than the program itself.  It says in the QTR instructions that I should 
alrealdy have my printer chosen in Printer Setup Utility before proceeding but I don't see 
the driver.  Am I suppose to be looking for a QTR driver?

Much appreciation,

Cody Thomas

Re: New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-21 by Roy Harrington

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "cteditions" <cteditions@a...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I am new to the forum as well as QTR.  I am running OSX 10.4.2 (Tiger) and using 
an 
> Epson R2400 printer.  I have downloaded the QTR program and installed it.  I now 
have 
> QTR folder on my desktop with all or the documentation as well as the Printer 
Profiles 
> folder, Curves folder, etc.
> 
> In reading over all of the documentation I could find for OSX I found that I needed 
to 
> download the newest GIMP-Print.  I have downloaded and installed GIMP-Print 4.2.  
The 
> problem is that I DO NOT see a Gimp Driver for my printer (Epson 2400).
> 
> I go to Printer Setup Utility and click ADD.  Then I "Option-Click" the MORE 
PRINTERS 
> choice and I get the "Advanced" dialog that the instructions discuss.  My Printer 
"Stylus 
> Photo R2400" is listed under DEVICE so I choose it.  The URL is filled it for me and 
then I 
> choose Epson in the Printer Model pull-down menu.  NEXT IS THE PROBLEM...
> 
> In the "Name" dialog box that pops up I DO NOT see a GIMP-Print driver for my 
Epson.  I 
> see Stylus Color models up to 3000, Stylus Photo models up to 2200 & EX, and 
Stylus 
> Photo R200-R800, BUT NO R2400...
> 
> Please help, do I need to install the QTR printer drivers first?  I have NOT installed 
ANY 
> QTR item other than the program itself.  It says in the QTR instructions that I 
should 
> alrealdy have my printer chosen in Printer Setup Utility before proceeding but I 
don't see 
> the driver.  Am I suppose to be looking for a QTR driver?
> 
> Much appreciation,
> 
> Cody Thomas
>

Hi Cody,

There is no need to do any gimp-print stuff at all, nor use Printer Setup Utility.
Only use Printer Setup for the Epson driver.

In the download simply find Profiles/R2400-UC and run InstallR2400
This sets up the printer and installs the profiles.

Roy

Re: New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-21 by cteditions

Thank you Roy,

I am seeing my "Quad_2400" listed in my Printer Choices and have run through the 
different print dialog boxes and everything seems to have loaded into the system 
correctly.  A few additional questions and comments if  you have the time:

1.  After building profiles I am use to going through Print With Preview in PhotoshopCS2 in 
order to make sure my Color Management is set correctly and this is where I "normally" 
choose my profile to print with.  So, when using QTR is it still advised to go through Print 
With Preview?  If not, what should this dialog be set to?  My Working Space is Adobe RGB 
(1998) and when I choose "Quad_2400" as my printer I have the following information:
	
Under Color Management:

Document is chosen with Adobe RGB (1998) listed
Color Handling: set to "Let Printer Determine Colors"
Printer Profile: this is "grayed out" due to above handling choice
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Proof Setup Preset: this is "grayed out" with "Working CMYK" listed
Other Boxes: all "grayed out"


2.  Once in the Print Dialog I notice that there is a difference in what is listed under the 
main "Features" drop-down menu.  When my "Quad_2400" printer is chosen I do not see 
the choices for Color Management, Ink Configuration, and Extension Settings.  And the 
dialog box titled "Print Features" does not give me the choices that "Print Settings" 
normally gives (when Epson printer is chosen).  With QTR I am only able to choose my 
Media Type and my Dither Algorithm. I do have the additional QuadTone RIP dialog to 
choose; where I have some more choices such as Resolution, Gamma, Speed, etc. but no 
Color Management Dialog.  Why?  How should Photoshop CS2 be set for QTR optimum 
output?


3.  The Curves drop-down menu within the QuadTone RIP Dialog only shows me the 
UCmk-EnhMatte (Cool-Warm) and the UCpk-IlfordSmPearl (Neutral-Warm).  So, for any 
additional Curves I will have to make my own correct?  Does the UCmk-EnhMatte work well 
with Hahnemuele Paper?  What paper have you had best success with regarding Dmax, 
Dmin, and tonal range?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I believe things are working out but this QTR is simply 
different than how I have Color Managed and created Profiles in the past.  I use the GMB 
Eye-One System for making profiles with i1Match and have a Sony Artisan GDM-C520K 
21" Monitor (self calibrating).

I welcome any help getting up and running and apologize to the list for this long post.

Much appreciation,

Cody Thomas
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> Hi Cody,
> 
> There is no need to do any gimp-print stuff at all, nor use Printer Setup Utility.
> Only use Printer Setup for the Epson driver.
> 
> In the download simply find Profiles/R2400-UC and run InstallR2400
> This sets up the printer and installs the profiles.
> 
> Roy
>

Re: New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-21 by Roy Harrington

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "cteditions" <cteditions@a...> wrote:
>
>  Thank you Roy,
> 
> I am seeing my "Quad_2400" listed in my Printer Choices and have run through the 
> different print dialog boxes and everything seems to have loaded into the system 
> correctly.  A few additional questions and comments if  you have the time:

I assume you mean QuadR2400.

> 
> 1.  After building profiles I am use to going through Print With Preview in PhotoshopCS2 
in 
> order to make sure my Color Management is set correctly and this is where I "normally" 
> choose my profile to print with.  So, when using QTR is it still advised to go through 
Print 
> With Preview?  If not, what should this dialog be set to?  My Working Space is Adobe RGB 
> (1998) and when I choose "Quad_2400" as my printer I have the following information:
> 	
> Under Color Management:
> 
> Document is chosen with Adobe RGB (1998) listed
> Color Handling: set to "Let Printer Determine Colors"

Use, Let Photoshop Determine Colors.

> Printer Profile: this is "grayed out" due to above handling choice

Use, either Gray Matte Paper or Gray Photo Paper.

> Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric

Usually its Perceptual and BPC.

> Proof Setup Preset: this is "grayed out" with "Working CMYK" listed
> Other Boxes: all "grayed out"

You should have anything in the Proof boxes.

> 
> 
> 2.  Once in the Print Dialog I notice that there is a difference in what is listed under the 
> main "Features" drop-down menu.  When my "Quad_2400" printer is chosen I do not see 
> the choices for Color Management, Ink Configuration, and Extension Settings.  And the 
> dialog box titled "Print Features" does not give me the choices that "Print Settings" 
> normally gives (when Epson printer is chosen).  With QTR I am only able to choose my 
> Media Type and my Dither Algorithm. I do have the additional QuadTone RIP dialog to 
> choose; where I have some more choices such as Resolution, Gamma, Speed, etc. but no 
> Color Management Dialog.  Why?  How should Photoshop CS2 be set for QTR optimum 
> output?

Color Management was all setup in the Print Preview page (Print Space = Gray Matte).
The only dialog pane you will probably use is the QTR one.  In general you'll just
use the Curves, Blend, Res=1440.  Leave the other default until there's a specific
need to adjust.

> 
> 
> 3.  The Curves drop-down menu within the QuadTone RIP Dialog only shows me the 
> UCmk-EnhMatte (Cool-Warm) and the UCpk-IlfordSmPearl (Neutral-Warm).  So, for any 
> additional Curves I will have to make my own correct?  Does the UCmk-EnhMatte work 
well 
> with Hahnemuele Paper?  What paper have you had best success with regarding Dmax, 
> Dmin, and tonal range?

At this point just use the set of profiles that match the paper/ink type.  So use the
EnhMatte for PhotoRag.  The Ink Limit Adj is the one option you might try for Photo Rag.
It'll increase the amount of ink.

> 
> Sorry for the lengthy post but I believe things are working out but this QTR is simply 
> different than how I have Color Managed and created Profiles in the past.  I use the GMB 
> Eye-One System for making profiles with i1Match and have a Sony Artisan GDM-C520K 
> 21" Monitor (self calibrating).

With QTR there are really two levels of profiles/curves.  The QTR curves in the QTR
dialog pane are different from anything else.   ICC Color management profiles are
similar to the color ones you are used to.  There are the Gray Matte Paper and Gray
Photo Paper ones that you select in Print Preview.  They are "generic" icc profiles, but
you can later on create custom ones with your Eye-One and QTR-Create-ICC that
you will find in the CurveDesign/Eye-One folder of the download.  This program does
the samething as i1Match but for grayscale.

Roy
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> 
> I welcome any help getting up and running and apologize to the list for this long post.
> 
> Much appreciation,
> 
> Cody Thomas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi Cody,
> > 
> > There is no need to do any gimp-print stuff at all, nor use Printer Setup Utility.
> > Only use Printer Setup for the Epson driver.
> > 
> > In the download simply find Profiles/R2400-UC and run InstallR2400
> > This sets up the printer and installs the profiles.
> > 
> > Roy
> >
>

Re: New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-21 by cteditions

Thank you Roy,

I will get started on getting all this set up.  It seems pretty straight forward but different 
than how I am use to working in OSX (hence ALL of the questions).  By the way, in your 
reply you stated "You should have anything  in the Proof boxes".  I am guessing you meant 
that I should NOT have anything in the Proof boxes.. is this correct?

And, can you answer the one question regarding what your experience has been with 
different papers.  What have you found gives you the greatest Dmax, Dmin, and tonal 
range for a rag, semi-gloss, and gloss substrate?

Thanks again Roy,

Cody Thomas

> > 1.  After building profiles I am use to going through Print With Preview in 
PhotoshopCS2 
> in 
> > order to make sure my Color Management is set correctly and this is where I 
"normally" 
> > choose my profile to print with.  So, when using QTR is it still advised to go through 
> Print 
> > With Preview?  If not, what should this dialog be set to?  My Working Space is Adobe 
RGB 
> > (1998) and when I choose "Quad_2400" as my printer I have the following 
information:
> > 	
> > Under Color Management:
> > 
> > Document is chosen with Adobe RGB (1998) listed
> > Color Handling: set to "Let Printer Determine Colors"
> 
> Use, Let Photoshop Determine Colors.
> 
> > Printer Profile: this is "grayed out" due to above handling choice
> 
> Use, either Gray Matte Paper or Gray Photo Paper.
> 
> > Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
> 
> Usually its Perceptual and BPC.
> 
> > Proof Setup Preset: this is "grayed out" with "Working CMYK" listed
> > Other Boxes: all "grayed out"
> 
> You should have anything in the Proof boxes.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 2.  Once in the Print Dialog I notice that there is a difference in what is listed under 
the 
> > main "Features" drop-down menu.  When my "Quad_2400" printer is chosen I do not 
see 
> > the choices for Color Management, Ink Configuration, and Extension Settings.  And 
the 
> > dialog box titled "Print Features" does not give me the choices that "Print Settings" 
> > normally gives (when Epson printer is chosen).  With QTR I am only able to choose my 
> > Media Type and my Dither Algorithm. I do have the additional QuadTone RIP dialog to 
> > choose; where I have some more choices such as Resolution, Gamma, Speed, etc. but 
no 
> > Color Management Dialog.  Why?  How should Photoshop CS2 be set for QTR optimum 
> > output?
> 
> Color Management was all setup in the Print Preview page (Print Space = Gray Matte).
> The only dialog pane you will probably use is the QTR one.  In general you'll just
> use the Curves, Blend, Res=1440.  Leave the other default until there's a specific
> need to adjust.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 3.  The Curves drop-down menu within the QuadTone RIP Dialog only shows me the 
> > UCmk-EnhMatte (Cool-Warm) and the UCpk-IlfordSmPearl (Neutral-Warm).  So, for 
any 
> > additional Curves I will have to make my own correct?  Does the UCmk-EnhMatte work 
> well 
> > with Hahnemuele Paper?  What paper have you had best success with regarding 
Dmax, 
> > Dmin, and tonal range?
> 
> At this point just use the set of profiles that match the paper/ink type.  So use the
> EnhMatte for PhotoRag.  The Ink Limit Adj is the one option you might try for Photo Rag.
> It'll increase the amount of ink.
> 
> > 
> > Sorry for the lengthy post but I believe things are working out but this QTR is simply 
> > different than how I have Color Managed and created Profiles in the past.  I use the 
GMB 
> > Eye-One System for making profiles with i1Match and have a Sony Artisan GDM-
C520K 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > 21" Monitor (self calibrating).
> 
> With QTR there are really two levels of profiles/curves.  The QTR curves in the QTR
> dialog pane are different from anything else.   ICC Color management profiles are
> similar to the color ones you are used to.  There are the Gray Matte Paper and Gray
> Photo Paper ones that you select in Print Preview.  They are "generic" icc profiles, but
> you can later on create custom ones with your Eye-One and QTR-Create-ICC that
> you will find in the CurveDesign/Eye-One folder of the download.  This program does
> the samething as i1Match but for grayscale.
> 
> Roy

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: New Member: QTR Help...

2005-11-22 by Roy Harrington

On Monday, November 21, 2005, at 01:42  PM, cteditions wrote:

> Thank you Roy,
>
> I will get started on getting all this set up.  It seems pretty 
> straight forward but different
> than how I am use to working in OSX (hence ALL of the questions).  By 
> the way, in your
> reply you stated "You should have anything  in the Proof boxes".  I am 
> guessing you meant
> that I should NOT have anything in the Proof boxes.. is this correct?

Yes, that's correct --  the fingers don't keep up some times.

>
> And, can you answer the one question regarding what your experience 
> has been with
> different papers.  What have you found gives you the greatest Dmax, 
> Dmin, and tonal
> range for a rag, semi-gloss, and gloss substrate?

Personally I like fine art rag paper best -- H. Photo Rag mostly.  Some 
others are very close too.
Never liked the gloss/photo papers but I think the Luster's or 
SemiMatte are closest.

Roy

>
> Thanks again Roy,
>
> Cody Thomas
>
>>> 1.  After building profiles I am use to going through Print With 
>>> Preview in
> PhotoshopCS2
>> in
>>> order to make sure my Color Management is set correctly and this is 
>>> where I
> "normally"
>>> choose my profile to print with.  So, when using QTR is it still 
>>> advised to go through
>> Print
>>> With Preview?  If not, what should this dialog be set to?  My 
>>> Working Space is Adobe
> RGB
>>> (1998) and when I choose "Quad_2400" as my printer I have the 
>>> following
> information:
>>> 	
>>> Under Color Management:
>>>
>>> Document is chosen with Adobe RGB (1998) listed
>>> Color Handling: set to "Let Printer Determine Colors"
>>
>> Use, Let Photoshop Determine Colors.
>>
>>> Printer Profile: this is "grayed out" due to above handling choice
>>
>> Use, either Gray Matte Paper or Gray Photo Paper.
>>
>>> Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
>>
>> Usually its Perceptual and BPC.
>>
>>> Proof Setup Preset: this is "grayed out" with "Working CMYK" listed
>>> Other Boxes: all "grayed out"
>>
>> You should have anything in the Proof boxes.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.  Once in the Print Dialog I notice that there is a difference in 
>>> what is listed under
> the
>>> main "Features" drop-down menu.  When my "Quad_2400" printer is 
>>> chosen I do not
> see
>>> the choices for Color Management, Ink Configuration, and Extension 
>>> Settings.  And
> the
>>> dialog box titled "Print Features" does not give me the choices that 
>>> "Print Settings"
>>> normally gives (when Epson printer is chosen).  With QTR I am only 
>>> able to choose my
>>> Media Type and my Dither Algorithm. I do have the additional 
>>> QuadTone RIP dialog to
>>> choose; where I have some more choices such as Resolution, Gamma, 
>>> Speed, etc. but
> no
>>> Color Management Dialog.  Why?  How should Photoshop CS2 be set for 
>>> QTR optimum
>>> output?
>>
>> Color Management was all setup in the Print Preview page (Print Space 
>> = Gray Matte).
>> The only dialog pane you will probably use is the QTR one.  In 
>> general you'll just
>> use the Curves, Blend, Res=1440.  Leave the other default until 
>> there's a specific
>> need to adjust.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.  The Curves drop-down menu within the QuadTone RIP Dialog only 
>>> shows me the
>>> UCmk-EnhMatte (Cool-Warm) and the UCpk-IlfordSmPearl (Neutral-Warm). 
>>>  So, for
> any
>>> additional Curves I will have to make my own correct?  Does the 
>>> UCmk-EnhMatte work
>> well
>>> with Hahnemuele Paper?  What paper have you had best success with 
>>> regarding
> Dmax,
>>> Dmin, and tonal range?
>>
>> At this point just use the set of profiles that match the paper/ink 
>> type.  So use the
>> EnhMatte for PhotoRag.  The Ink Limit Adj is the one option you might 
>> try for Photo Rag.
>> It'll increase the amount of ink.
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the lengthy post but I believe things are working out but 
>>> this QTR is simply
>>> different than how I have Color Managed and created Profiles in the 
>>> past.  I use the
> GMB
>>> Eye-One System for making profiles with i1Match and have a Sony 
>>> Artisan GDM-
> C520K
>>> 21" Monitor (self calibrating).
>>
>> With QTR there are really two levels of profiles/curves.  The QTR 
>> curves in the QTR
>> dialog pane are different from anything else.   ICC Color management 
>> profiles are
>> similar to the color ones you are used to.  There are the Gray Matte 
>> Paper and Gray
>> Photo Paper ones that you select in Print Preview.  They are 
>> "generic" icc profiles, but
>> you can later on create custom ones with your Eye-One and 
>> QTR-Create-ICC that
>> you will find in the CurveDesign/Eye-One folder of the download.  
>> This program does
>> the samething as i1Match but for grayscale.
>>
>> Roy
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