QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hello,

Thank you for hour help.

Ok, I guess the OCP optimiser is a good option (Ernst has good experience with it)

The cartridges I wanted to use: http://www.octopus-office.de/en/shop/details/c/refillable-ink-cartridges-for-epson-t1571-t1579/p/fill-in-patronensatz-fuer-epson-stylus-photo-r-3000-mit-auto-reset-chips/
Do you think they are ok?

I see 2 potential setups:

Setup 1
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The HP Vivera PK + optimiser option.
Question: Only 6 slots are filled (1 PK and 5 greys), the other 3 I should fill with optimiser?! What about filling these with Eboni-6 (mixed in different dilutions) to add some warmth if necessary.

Setup 2
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I read about your 'EbHP 2013 Ink Arrangement'. 
Could this be a potential setup for the Epson R3000? 
In this setup you have 6 slots filled with Eboni-6 and 2 slots filled with HP Vivera PK
The last empty slot can be filled with optimiser I guess?

For setup 1, and related to the dilutions:
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Your advice is to work with 10 ml syringes. I think I will buy the 10 ml syringes and some 50 ml syringes. The 10 ml syringes are partinioned in 1 ml steps, so I can easily work per ml.

I made a custom table, based on your advice.
Let's say I use the 130 ml HP Vivera PK cartridge, and my printer cartridges are 26 ml each.. I'll use 110 ml bottles and fill them with 100 ml diluted inks. (This makes 1 time mixing, and I can refill my catridges 4 times with this setup... (4x25ml))

The table:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/38wwhb0x9d11a21/IMG_0792.JPG

As you can see, my real % are close to your advice. But you said that they don't have to be exact the same... (Consistency is the most important).

Ok, like this?

And I fill the rest of the cartridges (3) with OPC optimiser?! Or do I fill them with (diluted) Eboni-6?

Thank you!

Ben Albu











--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark  wrote:
>
> reallybelgium  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... Epson R3000 printer.
> > ...
> > I want a high qualty colourless pigment inkset for (semi-)glossy printing.
> >
> > A professional printer ... advice: mix HP Vivera PK with a medium.
> >
> That's good advice.  The z3100/3200 PK carts are not cheap, but when
> diluted the costs of the overall inkset are very reasonable.
> 
> With the MIS gloss optimizer they are a bit warmer than the HP grays or the
> PK diluted with the generic base I use, but HP pigments bronze badly
> without a gloss optimizer.  I have never used the OCP optimizer.
> 
> If the prints are too cool for you, adding an MIS glossy carbon to the
> printer can warm things up nicely.
> 
> 
> (HP Vivera black PK Cartridge, 130 ml mixed with:
> > http://www.octopus-office.de/en/shop/details/c/printer-ink-epson-t0540-t0549/p/ocp-optimizer-for-canon-bc-60-colourless/
> > )
> >
> > So I want to use this custom inkset, combined with QTR for maximized
> > control ...
> >
> 
> > Now I have this information, but I don't know the mixing quantities, and I
> > don't know how much I need for each cartridge in this 9-cartridge printer.
> >
> Be sure there are third party empty carts available from a reputable
> company.  They may tell you what the capacity of the carts is.
> 
> I often find it easier to mix the inks in quantities that are large enough
> to fill small bottles.  In the US the MIS 4 oz./110 ml wide top bottles are
> very convenient.  It makes re-filling and mixing lighter inks sequentially
> easier.
> 
> Do you have a scales, or are going to use syringes?  If syringes, stay with
> simple mixing ratios like 1:2, 1:3, etc.  Mixing the lighter ink from the
> next darker may make for better accuracy with syringes.  Using full 10 cc
> syringes as counting units simplifies and keeps the errors down.
> 
> 
> >
> > Can someone help me with making up a table/list with an overview of each
> > cartridge and the mixing quantities in these cartridges?
> >
> The dilution formula or ratio going from dense to lighter that is very
> common and I use with scales is 30% dense ink and 70% dilution base.  For
> easier syringe mixing, I recommend a 33.3% or 1:2 mixing for ease.  HP is
> close to this, as I recall.  As long as you are consistent, the exact
> percentage is not that important.  This is the ratio you can use to go down
> different progressions of ink densities that will make up a partitioned
> channel (what I can a channel, anyway).
> 
> If you have all HP dilutions in the printer and no toners (including one or
> two warm carbon inks) you'll have more than enough inks.   Maybe for
> simplicity and to be sure you'll be happy with the HP tone you ought to
> start with a K and 5 grays.  You might want to just put your clear base in
> 2 spots to hold them for now.
> 
> PK,
> 33.3% PK (1:2),
> 20% PK (1:4 mix),
> 11.1% PK (1:2 mix of the 33.3%),
> 6.67% PK (1:2 mix of the 20%)
> 3.7% PK (1:2 mix of the 11%)
> 
> The first 5 of the above is what I used for the Noritsu NK5 inkset <
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf>.  The partition
> of those inks looks as follows:
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/NK5-Partition.pdf
> There is room to add another light ink -- like the 3.7% suggested above.
> 
> While this prints fine, you may later want to change it into a
> multi-channel or multi-profile set so you get more overlaps.
> 
> I just suggest this as a rather generic approach.  It usually works well.
> With QTR, the inks can be put anywhere.  To keep the Epson drive option
> open, I'd have these in the following positions:
> 
> PK = K
> 33.3% = C
> 20% = M
> 11.1% = LC
> 6.67% = LM
> 3.7% PK = Y.
> 
> (However, the Epson driver will not work with clear ink in the LLK-LK
> spots.  This is just a starting place.)
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
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