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Hi.

People have commented to me offlist that they're sometimes not getting
the result they expect from the Splicer - that being smooth
transactions between the two signals when the splice is swept
backwards and forwards.  If the two inputs are phase aligned - like
two different outputs of a single VCO it will be quite smooth,  but if two different VCOs or any misaligned signals are merged - like
samples - then you'll hear the splice. There's a reason for this:

Let's say you're splicing two pure tones --> sine waves from two
different VCOs.  While one may imagine that the splice of the two
would be as pure as the constituent parts, please keep in mind that if
the point of intersection yields a sudden arbitrary jump in energy
level (let's say one input is at 1 volt while the second is at 3 volts
in it's cycle when the splice occurs), that hard edge, resembling the
steep slope of a square wave will effect the purity.  What looks like
a square wave sounds like one, too.  The hard edge created by the
sudden two volt jump from input A to input B,  given it's happening
once a cycle will buzz and some account this to distortion... to the
letter of the law I guess it is...but it's not created by the circuit,
it's simply the nature of the signals being processed through it.

hope this helps,

- P



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, brian <koura5578@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> I am in the process of whittling down the mass of possibilities in
building a modular set-up and wanted to see if anyone has any reviews
of the wave splicer in the elf series?
> My main concern is how it responds to more complex waveforms. aka
sampled sounds.

> For example, using a sample as one source and then a osc for the other.
> Or maybe someone has spliced two sample-based sounds together?
> 
> Thank you,
> b.labycz
>

demo would be good
but that way
1 first signal
2 second signal
3 splice
with differrent options of inputs

rewire demo gives some impresion but it is to messy with which signals 
are what

thanks
r


On 2008-11-15, at 12:58, (i think you can figure that out) wrote:

Hi.

  People have commented to me offlist that they're sometimes not getting
  the result they expect from the Splicer - that being smooth
  transactions between the two signals when the splice is swept
  backwards and forwards. If the two inputs are phase aligned - like
  two different outputs of a single VCO it will be quite smooth, but if 
two different VCOs or any misaligned signals are merged - like
  samples - then you'll hear the splice. There's a reason for this:

  Let's say you're splicing two pure tones --> sine waves from two
  different VCOs. While one may imagine that the splice of the two
  would be as pure as the constituent parts, please keep in mind that if
  the point of intersection yields a sudden arbitrary jump in energy
  level (let's say one input is at 1 volt while the second is at 3 volts
  in it's cycle when the splice occurs), that hard edge, resembling the
  steep slope of a square wave will effect the purity. What looks like
  a square wave sounds like one, too. The hard edge created by the
  sudden two volt jump from input A to input B, given it's happening
  once a cycle will buzz and some account this to distortion... to the
  letter of the law I guess it is...but it's not created by the circuit,
  it's simply the nature of the signals being processed through it.

  hope this helps,

  - P

  --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, brian <koura5578@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hello,
  >
  > I am in the process of whittling down the mass of possibilities in
  building a modular set-up and wanted to see if anyone has any reviews
  of the wave splicer in the elf series?
  > My main concern is how it responds to more complex waveforms. aka
  sampled sounds.
  > For example, using a sample as one source and then a osc for the 
other.
  > Or maybe someone has spliced two sample-based sounds together?
  >
  > Thank you,
  > b.labycz
  >


www.musicagenera.net
www.myspace.com/robertpiotrowicz

I've been meaning to do some simple examples of the wave splicer.
I'll try to make a video this weekend of it in action and the scope
too. I'm gonna try doing some split screen so you can see exactly what
I'm doing as the changes show up on the scope.

I still haven't tried LFOs with it, I'll have to try that too and see
what happens.

It is a cool module, a bit hard to get the hang of, I'm still working
on it, but as Peter says, it works smoothest (I won't say best) with
two synced signals.  But you can get some sounds that sound almost
like a bit crusher with it too.  I have two, I've tried splicing
spliced signals, and you can get some timbres that I'm not sure how
else to get, but it does get nosy quick.  :D



-Don

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:51 AM, robert piotrowicz <rwert@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
> demo would be good
> but that way
> 1 first signal
> 2 second signal
> 3 splice
> with differrent options of inputs
>
> rewire demo gives some impresion but it is to messy with which signals
> are what
>
> thanks
> r
>
> On 2008-11-15, at 12:58, (i think you can figure that out) wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> People have commented to me offlist that they're sometimes not getting
> the result they expect from the Splicer - that being smooth
> transactions between the two signals when the splice is swept
> backwards and forwards. If the two inputs are phase aligned - like
> two different outputs of a single VCO it will be quite smooth, but if
> two different VCOs or any misaligned signals are merged - like
> samples - then you'll hear the splice. There's a reason for this:
>
> Let's say you're splicing two pure tones --> sine waves from two
> different VCOs. While one may imagine that the splice of the two
> would be as pure as the constituent parts, please keep in mind that if
> the point of intersection yields a sudden arbitrary jump in energy
> level (let's say one input is at 1 volt while the second is at 3 volts
> in it's cycle when the splice occurs), that hard edge, resembling the
> steep slope of a square wave will effect the purity. What looks like
> a square wave sounds like one, too. The hard edge created by the
> sudden two volt jump from input A to input B, given it's happening
> once a cycle will buzz and some account this to distortion... to the
> letter of the law I guess it is...but it's not created by the circuit,
> it's simply the nature of the signals being processed through it.
>
> hope this helps,
>
> - P
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, brian <koura5578@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am in the process of whittling down the mass of possibilities in
> building a modular set-up and wanted to see if anyone has any reviews
> of the wave splicer in the elf series?
>> My main concern is how it responds to more complex waveforms. aka
> sampled sounds.
>> For example, using a sample as one source and then a osc for the
> other.
>> Or maybe someone has spliced two sample-based sounds together?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> b.labycz
>>
>
> www.musicagenera.net
> www.myspace.com/robertpiotrowicz
>
>

sounds good, simple signal demo top,

but also would be great to hear what hapens with non synth signals
as voice / voice or  voice / vco

thanks

best
r

On 2008-11-15, at 19:27, Don Kim wrote:

I've been meaning to do some simple examples of the wave splicer.
  I'll try to make a video this weekend of it in action and the scope
  too. I'm gonna try doing some split screen so you can see exactly what
  I'm doing as the changes show up on the scope.

  I still haven't tried LFOs with it, I'll have to try that too and see
  what happens.

  It is a cool module, a bit hard to get the hang of, I'm still working
  on it, but as Peter says, it works smoothest (I won't say best) with
  two synced signals. But you can get some sounds that sound almost
  like a bit crusher with it too. I have two, I've tried splicing
  spliced signals, and you can get some timbres that I'm not sure how
  else to get, but it does get nosy quick. :D

  -Don

  On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:51 AM, robert piotrowicz 
<rwert@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
  > demo would be good
  > but that way
  > 1 first signal
  > 2 second signal
  > 3 splice
  > with differrent options of inputs
  >
  > rewire demo gives some impresion but it is to messy with which 
signals
  > are what
  >
  > thanks
  > r
  >
  > On 2008-11-15, at 12:58, (i think you can figure that out) wrote:
  >
  > Hi.
  >
  > People have commented to me offlist that they're sometimes not 
getting
  > the result they expect from the Splicer - that being smooth
  > transactions between the two signals when the splice is swept
  > backwards and forwards. If the two inputs are phase aligned - like
  > two different outputs of a single VCO it will be quite smooth, but if
  > two different VCOs or any misaligned signals are merged - like
  > samples - then you'll hear the splice. There's a reason for this:
  >
  > Let's say you're splicing two pure tones --> sine waves from two
  > different VCOs. While one may imagine that the splice of the two
  > would be as pure as the constituent parts, please keep in mind that 
if
  > the point of intersection yields a sudden arbitrary jump in energy
  > level (let's say one input is at 1 volt while the second is at 3 
volts
  > in it's cycle when the splice occurs), that hard edge, resembling the
  > steep slope of a square wave will effect the purity. What looks like
  > a square wave sounds like one, too. The hard edge created by the
  > sudden two volt jump from input A to input B, given it's happening
  > once a cycle will buzz and some account this to distortion... to the
  > letter of the law I guess it is...but it's not created by the 
circuit,
  > it's simply the nature of the signals being processed through it.
  >
  > hope this helps,
  >
  > - P
  >
  > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, brian <koura5578@...> 
wrote:
  >>
  >> Hello,
  >>
  >> I am in the process of whittling down the mass of possibilities in
  > building a modular set-up and wanted to see if anyone has any reviews
  > of the wave splicer in the elf series?
  >> My main concern is how it responds to more complex waveforms. aka
  > sampled sounds.
  >> For example, using a sample as one source and then a osc for the
  > other.
  >> Or maybe someone has spliced two sample-based sounds together?
  >>
  >> Thank you,
  >> b.labycz
  >>
  >
  > www.musicagenera.net
  > www.myspace.com/robertpiotrowicz
  >
  >

www.musicagenera.net
www.myspace.com/robertpiotrowicz

Hey Mr. Peter, this is going to be offtopic, but I just want to be 
sure you saw my post: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/PLAN_B_analog_blog/message/2211

I'm looking for a little bit of clarification on the Model 38 jumpers