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Sorry if this has been asked before...

Can you explain the rationale behind having a separate gate output for each step in the 
cycle, rather than having a single gate out and gate switches for each step?

Along with the individual stage gate outs, the Mini Milton is equipped
with with a single Obedient Clock output.  This is a trigger which
follows the external input clock, but only when the sequencer is in
motion (when the counting is stopped by either an external source
using the ext stop input  or depression of it's Start/Stop switch, the
Obedient clock stops as well).

So this addresses if it has a single summed gate out.

As to why it doesn't have switches on each step which determine which
stage passes a gate out of the Obedient Clock output, it was simply a
matter of panel size.  The intent of the Mini Milton was to provide an
affordable single bank sequencing function.  While it would be
perfectly acceptable to design a system which had a 21C as it's
only sequencer, the 21C provides a means to introduce multiple without a large investment of $$ or panel real estate in which to do it. That was the real intention in developing the 21C.  

I made a determination that individual gate outs was the best
alternative given the panel space available to add them As a note,
there is not enough room to mount switches into these locations.  A
matter of fact Cliff Jacks won't even fit there (my new type jacks have a much smaller profile under the faceplate).  So between having
individual gate outs or switches to gate which stage passes a gate to
the Ob Clock,  the former took precedence.


- P



--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "monroeeskew"
<monroe.eskew@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry if this has been asked before...
> 
> Can you explain the rationale behind having a separate gate output
for each step in the 
> cycle, rather than having a single gate out and gate switches for
each step?
>

Hi Peter

ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18 
included? I am hanging to get a mixer  into my system.

Ross

>
>

Hey guys - 


ELF:

Firstly, let me say I really appreciate the support we've received on
this series. It seems you're excited about the small format and I am so there with you.

I can't speak for the others manufacturers, but for us there are a few critical steps involved with releasing new products.  Most of them center around certain critical materials:  Faceplates, PCBs, Pots and Jacks. We have over the last year secured a reliable source for Cliff Jacks.  We can get them in week's time and have never run into the situation we used to continually when dealing with Cliff USA of there not being any to buy.  So that's not a problem.

Do to their small width, the ELFs use a different type of pot. They're
already here.  The faceplates were ordered in the first week of
May and the first lot shipped from Connecticut on June 1 on a four to
five day delivery cycle.  Though not yet in hand I have a tracking
number that says they will be soon. The PCB order has been submitted,
the quote received and are in the first part of an ten day
design/delivery cycle.

This leaves assembly.  One thing you can't beat with inhouse production is you're right there at all times when things go well and when they don't. The management/control issues involved with coordination of outsourced assembly aren't there.  Along with and related to their small size, the ELFs have less controls than the other products in our stable and with it smaller circuits and less assembly time required.  I do not foresee any problems here and we should be able to biuld all of the first lot in two weeks.  Know that deliveries to our dealers will be incremental and ongoing during that period. 

Going back to the materials, the major components are all covered.  All of the other components used in these modules can be in our shop in three days.   A Plan B tradition which will continue here: the first production cycle of these modules will consist of about 25 or so pieces, that's what we're shooting for and that's what should available be for sale beginning the end on June.

Pricing:

The MAP's of the seven ELFs has been set and we're double checking now just to make sure we've not overlooked commodities which make them unfeasible.  Let me just say I think you'll be pleased with pricing ranging from as low as $55 to a max. of $165.  You'll know all about it very soon.

- P





--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Peter
> 
> ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18 
> included? I am hanging to get a mixer  into my system.
> 
> Ross
> 
> >
> >
>

Thanks for such a detailed update!  We appreciate it.


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure that out)" 
<peter@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys -
> 
> 
> ELF:
> 
> Firstly, let me say I really appreciate the support we've received on
> this series. It seems you're excited about the small format and I am so there with you.
> 
> I can't speak for the others manufacturers, but for us there are a few critical steps 
involved with releasing new products.  Most of them center around certain critical 
materials:  Faceplates, PCBs, Pots and Jacks. We have over the last year secured a reliable 
source for Cliff Jacks.  We can get them in week's time and have never run into the 
situation we used to continually when dealing with Cliff USA of there not being any to buy.  
So that's not a problem.
> 
> Do to their small width, the ELFs use a different type of pot. They're
> already here.  The faceplates were ordered in the first week of
> May and the first lot shipped from Connecticut on June 1 on a four to
> five day delivery cycle.  Though not yet in hand I have a tracking
> number that says they will be soon. The PCB order has been submitted,
> the quote received and are in the first part of an ten day
> design/delivery cycle.
> 
> This leaves assembly.  One thing you can't beat with inhouse production is you're right 
there at all times when things go well and when they don't. The management/control 
issues involved with coordination of outsourced assembly aren't there.  Along with and 
related to their small size, the ELFs have less controls than the other products in our 
stable and with it smaller circuits and less assembly time required.  I do not foresee any 
problems here and we should be able to biuld all of the first lot in two weeks.  Know that 
deliveries to our dealers will be incremental and ongoing during that period.
> 
> Going back to the materials, the major components are all covered.  All of the other 
components used in these modules can be in our shop in three days.   A Plan B tradition 
which will continue here: the first production cycle of these modules will consist of about 
25 or so pieces, that's what we're shooting for and that's what should available be for sale 
beginning the end on June.
> 
> Pricing:
> 
> The MAP's of the seven ELFs has been set and we're double checking now just to make 
sure we've not overlooked commodities which make them unfeasible.  Let me just say I 
think you'll be pleased with pricing ranging from as low as $55 to a max. of $165.  You'll 
know all about it very soon.

> 
> - P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter
> >
> > ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18
> > included? I am hanging to get a mixer  into my system.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

hoo hooo :-)

>
>

total fan boy here

YOU ROCK PETER :-)

Ross


(i think you can figure that out) wrote:

>
> Hey guys -
>
> ELF:
>
> Firstly, let me say I really appreciate the support we've received on
> this series. It seems you're excited about the small format and I am 
> so there with you.
>
> I can't speak for the others manufacturers, but for us there are a few 
> critical steps involved with releasing new products. Most of them 
> center around certain critical materials: Faceplates, PCBs, Pots and 
> Jacks. We have over the last year secured a reliable source for Cliff 
> Jacks. We can get them in week's time and have never run into the 
> situation we used to continually when dealing with Cliff USA of there 
> not being any to buy. So that's not a problem.
>
> Do to their small width, the ELFs use a different type of pot. They're
> already here. The faceplates were ordered in the first week of
> May and the first lot shipped from Connecticut on June 1 on a four to
> five day delivery cycle. Though not yet in hand I have a tracking
> number that says they will be soon. The PCB order has been submitted,
> the quote received and are in the first part of an ten day
> design/delivery cycle.
>
> This leaves assembly. One thing you can't beat with inhouse production 
> is you're right there at all times when things go well and when they 
> don't. The management/control issues involved with coordination of 
> outsourced assembly aren't there. Along with and related to their 
> small size, the ELFs have less controls than the other products in our 
> stable and with it smaller circuits and less assembly time required. I 
> do not foresee any problems here and we should be able to biuld all of 
> the first lot in two weeks. Know that deliveries to our dealers will 
> be incremental and ongoing during that period.
>
> Going back to the materials, the major components are all covered. All 
> of the other components used in these modules can be in our shop in 
> three days. A Plan B tradition which will continue here: the first 
> production cycle of these modules will consist of about 25 or so 
> pieces, that's what we're shooting for and that's what should 
> available be for sale beginning the end on June.
>
> Pricing:
>
> The MAP's of the seven ELFs has been set and we're double checking now 
> just to make sure we've not overlooked commodities which make them 
> unfeasible. Let me just say I think you'll be pleased with pricing 
> ranging from as low as $55 to a max. of $165. You'll know all about it 
> very soon.
>
> - P
>
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com>, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter
> >
> > ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18
> > included? I am hanging to get a mixer into my system.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Since the move in April we've been stockpiling and delivering to
Noisebug. There will be very sufficient stock of everything once their
online sales begin.  It's at a different level now. So yeah, totally
covered there. So by the end of June you'll be able to buy everything
in our catalog in great numbers as well as the ELFs from Noisebug. 
Moog Audio currently has stock for sale with the second part of their
order on it's way. 

As far as the other new product announced last month, all of those
will be out by Fall (basically the next four months).  Expect no less
than two per month during that period with the first being the Vector
Plotter, the VCA and the Mult.

Once these go, then we'll get the 16 and 18 handled.

- P


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, David Salter
<david.salter@...> wrote:

>
> Peter,
>  
> That all sounds very positive and I'm really looking forward to
> integrating these modules into my system.
>  
> Question - will the standard format modules be available in the same
> time frame?
>  
> Also any idea of when pricing for all of the new modules will be
> available?
>  
> Another fan of the P
>  
> David
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * *
> David Salter
> Senior Consultant
> 
> 
> Thomson Reuters
> 
> O +44 (0)20 7542 2402X 52402
> M 07990562402
> 
> david.salter@...
> thomsonreuters.com <http://thomsonreuters.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of (i think you
> can figure that out)
> Sent: 04 June 2008 06:37
> To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PLAN_B_analog_blog] Re: ELF
> 
> 
> 
> Hey guys - 
> 
> ELF:
> 
> Firstly, let me say I really appreciate the support we've received on
> this series. It seems you're excited about the small format and I am so
> there with you.
> 
> I can't speak for the others manufacturers, but for us there are a few
> critical steps involved with releasing new products. Most of them center
> around certain critical materials: Faceplates, PCBs, Pots and Jacks. We
> have over the last year secured a reliable source for Cliff Jacks. We
> can get them in week's time and have never run into the situation we
> used to continually when dealing with Cliff USA of there not being any
> to buy. So that's not a problem.
> 
> Do to their small width, the ELFs use a different type of pot. They're
> already here. The faceplates were ordered in the first week of
> May and the first lot shipped from Connecticut on June 1 on a four to
> five day delivery cycle. Though not yet in hand I have a tracking
> number that says they will be soon. The PCB order has been submitted,
> the quote received and are in the first part of an ten day
> design/delivery cycle.
> 
> This leaves assembly. One thing you can't beat with inhouse production
> is you're right there at all times when things go well and when they
> don't. The management/control issues involved with coordination of
> outsourced assembly aren't there. Along with and related to their small
> size, the ELFs have less controls than the other products in our stable
> and with it smaller circuits and less assembly time required. I do not
> foresee any problems here and we should be able to biuld all of the
> first lot in two weeks. Know that deliveries to our dealers will be
> incremental and ongoing during that period. 
> 
> Going back to the materials, the major components are all covered. All
> of the other components used in these modules can be in our shop in
> three days. A Plan B tradition which will continue here: the first
> production cycle of these modules will consist of about 25 or so pieces,
> that's what we're shooting for and that's what should available be for
> sale beginning the end on June.
> 
> Pricing:
> 
> The MAP's of the seven ELFs has been set and we're double checking now
> just to make sure we've not overlooked commodities which make them
> unfeasible. Let me just say I think you'll be pleased with pricing
> ranging from as low as $55 to a max. of $165. You'll know all about it
> very soon.
> 
> - P
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com> , amnesia <amni56@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter
> > 
> > ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18 
> > included? I am hanging to get a mixer into my system.
> > 
> > Ross
> > 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Peter,
 
That all sounds very positive and I'm really looking forward to
integrating these modules into my system.
 
Question - will the standard format modules be available in the same
time frame?
 
Also any idea of when pricing for all of the new modules will be
available?
 
Another fan of the P
 
David
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
David Salter
Senior Consultant


Thomson Reuters

O +44 (0)20 7542 2402X 52402
M 07990562402

david.salter@thomsonreuters.com
thomsonreuters.com <http://thomsonreuters.com/> 

 

________________________________

From: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of (i think you
can figure that out)
Sent: 04 June 2008 06:37
To: PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PLAN_B_analog_blog] Re: ELF



Hey guys - 

ELF:

Firstly, let me say I really appreciate the support we've received on
this series. It seems you're excited about the small format and I am so
there with you.

I can't speak for the others manufacturers, but for us there are a few
critical steps involved with releasing new products. Most of them center
around certain critical materials: Faceplates, PCBs, Pots and Jacks. We
have over the last year secured a reliable source for Cliff Jacks. We
can get them in week's time and have never run into the situation we
used to continually when dealing with Cliff USA of there not being any
to buy. So that's not a problem.

Do to their small width, the ELFs use a different type of pot. They're
already here. The faceplates were ordered in the first week of
May and the first lot shipped from Connecticut on June 1 on a four to
five day delivery cycle. Though not yet in hand I have a tracking
number that says they will be soon. The PCB order has been submitted,
the quote received and are in the first part of an ten day
design/delivery cycle.

This leaves assembly. One thing you can't beat with inhouse production
is you're right there at all times when things go well and when they
don't. The management/control issues involved with coordination of
outsourced assembly aren't there. Along with and related to their small
size, the ELFs have less controls than the other products in our stable
and with it smaller circuits and less assembly time required. I do not
foresee any problems here and we should be able to biuld all of the
first lot in two weeks. Know that deliveries to our dealers will be
incremental and ongoing during that period. 

Going back to the materials, the major components are all covered. All
of the other components used in these modules can be in our shop in
three days. A Plan B tradition which will continue here: the first
production cycle of these modules will consist of about 25 or so pieces,
that's what we're shooting for and that's what should available be for
sale beginning the end on June.

Pricing:

The MAP's of the seven ELFs has been set and we're double checking now
just to make sure we've not overlooked commodities which make them
unfeasible. Let me just say I think you'll be pleased with pricing
ranging from as low as $55 to a max. of $165. You'll know all about it
very soon.

- P

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PLAN_B_analog_blog%40yahoogroups.com> , amnesia <amni56@...>
wrote:

>
> Hi Peter
> 
> ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18 
> included? I am hanging to get a mixer into my system.
> 
> Ross
> 
> >
> >
>

Sounds good!
Hoping to get a Mini-Milton or 2 to complement the Frostwave Fat
Controller I recently found on eBay. Is there an estimated price tag
yet? ETA?

It looks wicked, loving the circular design. I assume it would be
possible to link 2 up so that you can construct a 16-step sequence?

Thanks
Adam 

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
that out)" <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Along with the individual stage gate outs, the Mini Milton is equipped
> with with a single Obedient Clock output.  This is a trigger which
> follows the external input clock, but only when the sequencer is in
> motion (when the counting is stopped by either an external source
> using the ext stop input  or depression of it's Start/Stop switch, the
> Obedient clock stops as well).
> 
> So this addresses if it has a single summed gate out.
> 
> As to why it doesn't have switches on each step which determine which
> stage passes a gate out of the Obedient Clock output, it was simply a
> matter of panel size.  The intent of the Mini Milton was to provide an
> affordable single bank sequencing function.  While it would be
> perfectly acceptable to design a system which had a 21C as it's
> only sequencer, the 21C provides a means to introduce multiple
without a large investment of $$ or panel real estate in which to do
it. That was the real intention in developing the 21C.
> 
> I made a determination that individual gate outs was the best
> alternative given the panel space available to add them As a note,
> there is not enough room to mount switches into these locations.  A
> matter of fact Cliff Jacks won't even fit there (my new type jacks
have a much smaller profile under the faceplate).  So between having

> individual gate outs or switches to gate which stage passes a gate to
> the Ob Clock,  the former took precedence.
> 
> 
> - P
> 
> 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "monroeeskew"
> <monroe.eskew@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry if this has been asked before...
> >
> > Can you explain the rationale behind having a separate gate output
> for each step in the
> > cycle, rather than having a single gate out and gate switches for
> each step?
> >
>

Nope! (linking two together for 16 steps).  With the upcoming M34
Switch Logic, or any other sequential switch for that matter you can
do that but on their own.. no.  Again, this is a bare-bones sequencing
function with voltage control of direction which you'll really get use
out of.  You don't realize it until it's there.

It will run about $300 or so, somewhere in this range.  As always,
less if I can do it. As far as ETA all I can say is before the Fall. 
I don't mean to be evasive, but my whole life right now is about the
ELFs.  Once they're released, then I begin the final preps on the
other ones. Got our hands full though with the first phase.

- P


--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "elemental"
<adam.elemental@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Sounds good!
> Hoping to get a Mini-Milton or 2 to complement the Frostwave Fat
> Controller I recently found on eBay. Is there an estimated price tag
> yet? ETA?
> 
> It looks wicked, loving the circular design. I assume it would be
> possible to link 2 up so that you can construct a 16-step sequence?
> 
> Thanks
> Adam 
> 
> --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
> that out)" <peter@> wrote:
> >
> > Along with the individual stage gate outs, the Mini Milton is equipped
> > with with a single Obedient Clock output.  This is a trigger which
> > follows the external input clock, but only when the sequencer is in
> > motion (when the counting is stopped by either an external source
> > using the ext stop input  or depression of it's Start/Stop switch, the
> > Obedient clock stops as well).
> > 
> > So this addresses if it has a single summed gate out.
> > 
> > As to why it doesn't have switches on each step which determine which
> > stage passes a gate out of the Obedient Clock output, it was simply a
> > matter of panel size.  The intent of the Mini Milton was to provide an
> > affordable single bank sequencing function.  While it would be
> > perfectly acceptable to design a system which had a 21C as it's
> > only sequencer, the 21C provides a means to introduce multiple
> without a large investment of $$ or panel real estate in which to do
> it. That was the real intention in developing the 21C.
> > 
> > I made a determination that individual gate outs was the best
> > alternative given the panel space available to add them As a note,
> > there is not enough room to mount switches into these locations.  A
> > matter of fact Cliff Jacks won't even fit there (my new type jacks
> have a much smaller profile under the faceplate).  So between having
> > individual gate outs or switches to gate which stage passes a gate to
> > the Ob Clock,  the former took precedence.
> > 
> > 
> > - P
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "monroeeskew"
> > <monroe.eskew@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry if this has been asked before...
> > >
> > > Can you explain the rationale behind having a separate gate output
> > for each step in the
> > > cycle, rather than having a single gate out and gate switches for
> > each step?
> > >
> >
>

an mixer?



On 2008-06-04, at 04:07, amnesia wrote:

Hi Peter

  ANy news on release date for the new stuff? ALso is the model 18
  included? I am hanging to get a mixer into my system.

  Ross

  >
  >

Wow!! This is all really really great news! Maybe it will be Christmas
in July??!

Are there any orders/modules heading down under for Elby Designs or
are us poor antipodeans going to have to order from the States or Canada?

Cheers,

Scott

--- In PLAN_B_analog_blog@yahoogroups.com, "(i think you can figure
that out)" <peter@...> wrote:

>
> Since the move in April we've been stockpiling and delivering to
> Noisebug. There will be very sufficient stock of everything once their
> online sales begin.  It's at a different level now. So yeah, totally
> covered there. So by the end of June you'll be able to buy everything
> in our catalog in great numbers as well as the ELFs from Noisebug. 
> Moog Audio currently has stock for sale with the second part of their
> order on it's way. 
> 
> As far as the other new product announced last month, all of those
> will be out by Fall (basically the next four months).  Expect no less
> than two per month during that period with the first being the Vector
> Plotter, the VCA and the Mult.
> 
> Once these go, then we'll get the 16 and 18 handled.
> 
> - P
> 
>