Mellotronists

What were the mechanics and how practical or loopy were the loop tron
or trons that T Dream used back in the day ?

The mixer trick is  the most practical way to implement 10cc voice
choir thing becasue you'll never have enough machines, mike stands and
pencils to do it otherwise.

gw

On 5/2/07, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
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> Hello!
>  This is a bit late in the game, but I only get to
>  this page every so often lately...
>  As far as looped and tracked "10cc" vocals, it's
>  really quite easy and I've used it at the studio many
>  times for a pad of breathless vocals.
>  My method is to track about five to ten seconds of
>  each note you want to a 1/4" or 1/2" 2-track. You
>  can maximize by recording seperate notes one at a time
>  on each track. Cut and loop it. Play the loop back
>  to two tracks of your multitrack and record it through
>  the whole song. Repeat the process as many times as
>  you have track space for and then bounce the whole kit
>  and kaboodle to two tracks for stereo, running the
>  faders according to the required performance.
>  The result is striking. I call it
>  "create-a-tron" and it can be used for many different
>  sound sources.
>  Good luck!
>  -Jack Younger (EMI 103S -the Bastard 'Tron)
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>  --- chris.dale@... wrote:
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>  > I don't know about cutting the tape and using it as
>  > a loop.
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>  > I do know that they overdubbed around 100+ voices
>  > and that they played the faders for the volume
>  > swells in that song.
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>  > And of course, theyre using the Gizmotron for the
>  > cello sound and background noise as well. You can
>  > hear that same noise on the track Lazy Ways from the
>  > How Dare You album. It sounds interesting without
>  > the choir voices.
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>  >
>  > Chris
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>  > Hi, all-
>  > Thought I would throw another wrench in the fire
>  > (probably replete with erroneous 70's memories,
>  > too).
>  > It seems I read once that 10cc used a large
>  > multitrack
>  > recorder to create a playable choir of their own
>  > voices on the song "I'm Not In Love". Once the
>  > vocal
>  > tracks were laid down on the same area of tape,
>  > the
>  > section was cut out, and spliced in a loop. It was
>  > loaded back on the machine (with appropriate
>  > tension),
>  > and played off a mixing console using the solo
>  > buttons
>  > as a keyboard. I don't know where I read this, but
>  > it
>  > stuck in my mind for years. Maybe a similar idea
>  > was
>  > used by those clever Germans.
>  >
>  > Bruce Daily
>  > M400 1221
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>  > P.S. I admit to playing my 'tron "solo" in my
>  > living
>  > room (no mixer yet). So far my friends just smile,
>  > scratch their heads, and mumble something about
>  > "could
>  > be done digitally". Oh well, what do they know?
>  > I'm
>  > happy.
>  >
>  > --- charel196 <charel196@...> wrote:
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>  > > let's not forget the "Singing Keyboard" from the
>  > > 1930s, which was a tron/Chamberlin idea
>  > > using movie film as the medium and light to read
>  > it
>  > > a/la Orchestron. I'd love to hear any
>  > > examples of it....somebody back then had to have
>  > > made a recording....
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>  > >
>  > > --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, "Andy
>  > > Thompson" <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
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>  > > >
>  > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > From: NormLeete@...
>  > > > To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>  > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:18 PM
>  > > > Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] Re: Solo trons
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>  > > >
>  > > > In a message dated 22/04/2007 23:02:29 GMT
>  > > Standard Time, andy.thompson@...
>  > > writes:
>  > > > an early European one-off attempt to use the
>  > > > Chamberlin/Mellotron idea, with infinite
>  > > sustain
>  > > > I thought it was a modified Mellotron...
>  > > >
>  > > > Norm
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>  > > > Norm
>  > > >
>  > > > What little I've been able to find out about
>  > it
>  > > seems to indicate that it was built in the
>  > > '50s! It also sounds unbelievably complex to
>  > play,
>  > > making the 'MkII rhythms' technique
>  > > dound like a doddle. :-) It allegedly resides in
>  > > 'a west German museum' now, so if
>  > > ANYONE has any idea which...
>  > > >
>  > > > Andy T.
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
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