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Don's 4 gear problem

Don's 4 gear problem

2002-10-31 by Mike Denman

Hi Don,
Gee, a little adversity and he wants to fold up his tent and go home :) I would start with the easy things first. First, drain the transmission oil and see if there is any metal in the oil. This would be an easy way to get a "free" peek at what may have happened inside the box and point you to the next decision. Lots of metal and you are into a big problem and no metal is probably a little problem. The metal, by the way, may not be steel... the shifting forks, for example, are often made of brass/bronze. Assuming that the oil looks fine then, If it is possible, I would remove the top of the transmission with the transmission still in the car, and see what is going on. Your description of the problem sounds like something a little strange might be happening ie. every thing works fine except 4 gear and it only grinds. At this point if you haven't found the problem you will have to pull the transmission.
Changing to a 5 speed might be nice. The 4 speed you have has a long shift pattern which really isn't bad once you get used to it and the ratios are a little wide but the engine has lots of torque so it really doesn't matter. Changing to a 5 speed only makes sense if your 4 speed is trash or if you just want a 5 speed in my opinion.
Swapping engines is generally a bad idea. The possible exception is when your car model was offered with two different engine options and you switch to the engine your car didn't come with originally. The first "problem" with engine swaps is that you destroy the value of your car since you now have, essentially, a kit car. Recently there was a TVR on Ebay that had been extensively modified and whoever did the work really knew what they were doing. This car had the best of everything including a blue printed Ford or Chevy V8. The owner quoted 1/4 mile times from the drag strip so the car was not only beautifully done, it actually ran. The paint and interior was also beautifully done which is unusual in these type of conversions. The final bid price was less than $12,000 which is less than it would cost for the parts the owner had changed. It was also (probably) less that the same car would have brought IN THE SAME CONDITION if it had been left stock. A beautiful car but... Even if the "value thing" isn't a concern (Don has money he hasn't even counted yet :)), there are a lot of other problems with engine swaps. Will the other components like the drive shaft and rear end take the additional strain. Cooling will probably be an issue. Fuel consumption and gas tank size will be a problem. So as you solve each of these problems (and they can all be solved) your car become less and less of a Marcos and more and more of a "kit car".
Buying a Ginneta is a good idea. It will give you a car to drive as you are working on the Marcos.
Mike Denman
Chassis # 4079

Re: Don's 4 gear problem

2002-10-31 by Mark Saxby

Hi Don,

Sorry to hear the problems.

Everything I've seen suggests the engine and box need to come out 
together, but looking at the car, it's hard to see why, unless you 
just can't separate them in the car.

The idea of a five speed is an excellent one and one I've half 
heartedly pursued for years. I think Burton say that you can modify 
the older block to take their bellhousing (or that it needs extra 
parts), but I can't recall what these are. I'd suggest you take this 
route and save me all the grief :^)

A rebuild is probably easily enough done too and, as Mike says, 
you'll have the advantage of originality. The V8 route is a bit passe 
in my mind - after all Marcos ALREADY do a V8, but then it's not so 
easily available in the US, so maybe you guys have more reason, but I 
think it's a shame when the older cars are butchered, because a lot 
of the pleasure is in experiencing a car designed 30-40 years ago, 
once you uprated everything you are (to my mind) left with an 
inferior modern product with little of the charm of the original.

Buy a Ginetta? mmmmm - novel idea - personally I'm rather attached to 
my legs, so would never buy a Ginetta (spindly litte things :^) OK - 
Actually the G4 is really nice :^)). I also find it hard to believe 
that you'll find it a lot more reliable than your Marcos, once 
restored to health. 

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Cheers,

Mark

Re: Don's 4 gear problem

2002-10-31 by dave barton

Don,
   If you are seriously thinking about the Rover V8 swap get on to 
the 215V8 YAHOO GROUP these guys are very knowledgeable and have 
helped me out a number of times
      Cheers Dave #5577








--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "Mark Saxby" <mark.saxby@n...> wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Sorry to hear the problems.
> 
> Everything I've seen suggests the engine and box need to come out 
> together, but looking at the car, it's hard to see why, unless you 
> just can't separate them in the car.
> 
> The idea of a five speed is an excellent one and one I've half 
> heartedly pursued for years. I think Burton say that you can modify 
> the older block to take their bellhousing (or that it needs extra 
> parts), but I can't recall what these are. I'd suggest you take this 
> route and save me all the grief :^)
> 
> A rebuild is probably easily enough done too and, as Mike says, 
> you'll have the advantage of originality. The V8 route is a bit 
passe 
> in my mind - after all Marcos ALREADY do a V8, but then it's not so 
> easily available in the US, so maybe you guys have more reason, but 
I 
> think it's a shame when the older cars are butchered, because a lot 
> of the pleasure is in experiencing a car designed 30-40 years ago, 
> once you uprated everything you are (to my mind) left with an 
> inferior modern product with little of the charm of the original.
> 
> Buy a Ginetta? mmmmm - novel idea - personally I'm rather attached 
to 
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> my legs, so would never buy a Ginetta (spindly litte things :^) OK - 
> Actually the G4 is really nice :^)). I also find it hard to believe 
> that you'll find it a lot more reliable than your Marcos, once 
> restored to health. 
> 
> Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark

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