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2002-06-20 by Jeff Caraway

Hi All,
Here is the answer I received from Marcos Heritage regarding Marcos
glass.
 
It appears that both the front and back glass will fit all models (with
some work). It also appears that Rory can supply them as well.
Should we now contact both Pilkington and Rory to get a price
comparison?
 
Jeff
#8052

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-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@rory.uk.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:09 AM
To: DovenWolf@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Marcos Glass

Dear Jeff Caraway,

Thank you for your e-mail. Sorry for the delay in replying, we are
extremely busy at the moment!

Regarding the glass situation, the screens are copyright. 

All federal cars that went to the States in 1970 . 1971 were fitted with
glass rear screens. The glass rear screen was introduced in the late
1970's and I have seen them fitted in an 1800 and a later 3ltr. The
glass rear screens should fit the other cars, but we cannot guarantee
it. As you can imagine the cars are all different and they can vary
quite a bit. 

The front screens are the same for all models, and the heated screens
were introduced in 1988 / 89.

If you are interested in a quantity of glass, we can do you a very
favourable deal.

Please advise what sort of thing you require, and we can get some prices
to you.

Kind Regards

Rory
Marcos Heritage.

RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by pauldransfield@iname.com

Jeff,
 
Marcos Heritage want 375 pounds for a front screen that cost me 159 pounds
through the Marcos Owners Club. I'm curious to know what the comparable
costs of a glass rear screen are, though I shudder at the thought. It brings
to mind  the cost of toilet seats for the US Military.
 
Regards,
 
Paul Dransfield
3 litre Volvo

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: June 20, 2002 9:43 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Hi All,
Here is the answer I received from Marcos Heritage regarding Marcos glass.

It appears that both the front and back glass will fit all models (with some
work). It also appears that Rory can supply them as well.
Should we now contact both Pilkington and Rory to get a price comparison?

Jeff
#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:09 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Marcos Glass

Dear Jeff Caraway,

Thank you for your e-mail. Sorry for the delay in replying, we are extremely
busy at the moment!

Regarding the glass situation, the screens are copyright. 

All federal cars that went to the States in 1970 . 1971 were fitted with
glass rear screens. The glass rear screen was introduced in the late 1970's
and I have seen them fitted in an 1800 and a later 3ltr. The glass rear
screens should fit the other cars, but we cannot guarantee it. As you can
imagine the cars are all different and they can vary quite a bit. 

The front screens are the same for all models, and the heated screens were
introduced in 1988 / 89.

If you are interested in a quantity of glass, we can do you a very
favourable deal.

Please advise what sort of thing you require, and we can get some prices to
you.

Kind Regards

Rory
Marcos Heritage.

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Re: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by Lee Brinkley

Rory states in his reply that the screens are copyright. Who holds the
copyright and is it still current. It may be that pilkintons cannot
supply glass to us directly without infringing these copyrights and if
so our only alternative would be to buy through marcos heritage. I do
not know how the club managed to get their own supply of screens if this
is the case. Rory used to advertise a 20% discount to marcos owners club
members but this message seems to have disappeared from his recent
adverts. Does anyone know if he still offers this discount.
--
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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by Jeff Caraway

Well.... Why don't we tally up everyone involved, get a quantity of both
fronts and backs that we will need, then we can price them at both
places.
Rory did say he would be willing to give a discount for a larger
quantity, so it might be worthwhile to get him to run the numbers.
Also, we could possibly get the window moldings from Rory at the same
time.
 
Later today, I'll try and tally up everyone's want list and post back to
the list with names and quantities so that we make sure no one is left
out.
 
Jeff

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-----Original Message-----
From: pauldransfield@... [mailto:pauldransfield@iname.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:52 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Jeff,

Marcos Heritage want 375 pounds for a front screen that cost me 159
pounds through the Marcos Owners Club. I'm curious to know what the
comparable costs of a glass rear screen are, though I shudder at the
thought. It brings to mind  the cost of toilet seats for the US
Military.

Regards,

Paul Dransfield
3 litre Volvo
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: June 20, 2002 9:43 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass
Hi All,
Here is the answer I received from Marcos Heritage regarding Marcos
glass.

It appears that both the front and back glass will fit all models (with
some work). It also appears that Rory can supply them as well.
Should we now contact both Pilkington and Rory to get a price
comparison?

Jeff
#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:09 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Marcos Glass

Dear Jeff Caraway,

Thank you for your e-mail. Sorry for the delay in replying, we are
extremely busy at the moment!

Regarding the glass situation, the screens are copyright. 

All federal cars that went to the States in 1970 . 1971 were fitted with
glass rear screens. The glass rear screen was introduced in the late
1970's and I have seen them fitted in an 1800 and a later 3ltr. The
glass rear screens should fit the other cars, but we cannot guarantee
it. As you can imagine the cars are all different and they can vary
quite a bit. 

The front screens are the same for all models, and the heated screens
were introduced in 1988 / 89.

If you are interested in a quantity of glass, we can do you a very
favourable deal.

Please advise what sort of thing you require, and we can get some prices
to you.

Kind Regards

Rory
Marcos Heritage.

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by Ronald McLeod

Maniacs . . .

Rory advised me a year ago that he no longer offers the discount to MOC members.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Brinkley [mailto:lbrinkley@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:58 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Rory states in his reply that the screens are copyright. Who holds the
copyright and is it still current. It may be that pilkintons cannot
supply glass to us directly without infringing these copyrights and if
so our only alternative would be to buy through marcos heritage. I do
not know how the club managed to get their own supply of screens if this
is the case. Rory used to advertise a 20% discount to marcos owners club
members but this message seems to have disappeared from his recent
adverts. Does anyone know if he still offers this discount.
--
Lee Brinkley
lbrinkley@...
(044)(0)1277 261400
Fax: (044)(0)1277 261525

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the
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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by Ronald McLeod

Paul . . .

Be sure to compare apples vs apples. To the 159 pounds, one must add the crating & shipping costs, plus the cost of all the telephone calls to Colin, plus the cost of going to the customs warehouse to get the crate and truck it to Aurora. Not to mention the almost one year it took to actually get the windscreens.

What is included in the Marcos Heritage price? Or, what more do you have to pay on top of the 375 pounds to get a windscreen in your garage?

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

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From: pauldransfield@... [mailto:pauldransfield@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:52 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Jeff,

Marcos Heritage want 375 pounds for a front screen that cost me 159 pounds through the Marcos Owners Club. I'm curious to know what the comparable costs of a glass rear screen are, though I shudder at the thought. It brings to mind the cost of toilet seats for the US Military.

Regards,

Paul Dransfield

3 litre Volvo

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@....com]
Sent: June 20, 2002 9:43 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Hi All,

Here is the answer I received from Marcos Heritage regarding Marcos glass.

It appears that both the front and back glass will fit all models (with some work). It also appears that Rory can supply them as well.

Should we now contact both Pilkington and Rory to get a price comparison?

Jeff

#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:09 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Marcos Glass

Dear Jeff Caraway,

Thank you for your e-mail. Sorry for the delay in replying, we are extremely busy at the moment!

Regarding the glass situation, the screens are copyright.

All federal cars that went to the States in 1970 . 1971 were fitted with glass rear screens. The glass rear screen was introduced in the late 1970's and I have seen them fitted in an 1800 and a later 3ltr. The glass rear screens should fit the other cars, but we cannot guarantee it. As you can imagine the cars are all different and they can vary quite a bit.

The front screens are the same for all models, and the heated screens were introduced in 1988 / 89.

If you are interested in a quantity of glass, we can do you a very favourable deal.

Please advise what sort of thing you require, and we can get some prices to you.

;

Kind Regards

Rory

Marcos Heritage.

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by pauldransfield@iname.com

All,

Personally, I'd be extremely skeptical of a claim of copyright. I don't see
how the screens could have been sold through the Marcos Owners Club if that
was the case. The screen are an extremely profitable item for Marcos
Heritage and I'd take their claim with a pinch of salt.

For what it's worth.

Paul Dransfield
3 litre Volvo

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Brinkley [mailto:lbrinkley@...]
Sent: June 20, 2002 9:58 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Rory states in his reply that the screens are copyright. Who holds the
copyright and is it still current. It may be that pilkintons cannot
supply glass to us directly without infringing these copyrights and if
so our only alternative would be to buy through marcos heritage. I do
not know how the club managed to get their own supply of screens if this
is the case. Rory used to advertise a 20% discount to marcos owners club
members but this message seems to have disappeared from his recent
adverts. Does anyone know if he still offers this discount.
--
Lee Brinkley
lbrinkley@...
(044)(0)1277 261400
Fax: (044)(0)1277 261525

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the 
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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-06-20 by McCubbin, David

I suspect that copyright was never an issue until now that Rory owns the
company - no disrespect to Rory - He has made an investment and wants to get
his investment plus, back. Until one sees documentation I think it's fair to
assume the suggestion of copyright is a means of protecting his turf (and
profits)

I, too, would be skeptical of the design actually being copyrighted at this
time, although it probably could be done. (Caterham went down this road with
Westfield over design of the Westfield seven and won.)

However you must be prepared for the possibility that if Pilkington is
Rory's supplier, they may have an obligation not to undercut one of their
agents.

My $0.02 worth

David McCubbin

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-----Original Message-----
From: pauldransfield@... [mailto:pauldransfield@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

All,

Personally, I'd be extremely skeptical of a claim of copyright. I don't see
how the screens could have been sold through the Marcos Owners Club if that
was the case. The screen are an extremely profitable item for Marcos
Heritage and I'd take their claim with a pinch of salt.

For what it's worth.

Paul Dransfield
3 litre Volvo

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Brinkley [mailto:lbrinkley@...]
Sent: June 20, 2002 9:58 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Rory states in his reply that the screens are copyright. Who holds the
copyright and is it still current. It may be that pilkintons cannot
supply glass to us directly without infringing these copyrights and if
so our only alternative would be to buy through marcos heritage. I do
not know how the club managed to get their own supply of screens if this
is the case. Rory used to advertise a 20% discount to marcos owners club
members but this message seems to have disappeared from his recent
adverts. Does anyone know if he still offers this discount.
--
Lee Brinkley
lbrinkley@...
(044)(0)1277 261400
Fax: (044)(0)1277 261525

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the 
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FW: Marcos Glass

2002-07-02 by Jeff Caraway

Hi All,

I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.

I have attached their letter below.

I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to see that they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.

It looks like the glass converts to:

Rear Glass Screens $345.00 each

Front glass $452.00 each

Rear Perspex $145.00 each

;

It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case for 10 glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here in the US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs charges as well. I\u2019m not sure what they would run, but I would guess the customs would be a few hundred dollars.

Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to their individual destinations.

I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an estimate from them. Lee can you do that?

Although, I\u2019m not sure how we would estimate shipping with this method. I guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one US location as Rory did.

I\u2019m very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping will add so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.

Although, there is still the hope of getting Perspex rears from Hayes (which I am still pursuing) and maybe getting someone in the US or Canada to do some front screens (which I would like for Paul to pursue with the place in Canada once he gets some time).

Please LMK what everyone thinks.

Jeff

#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Re: Marcos Glass

We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) screens.

We carry perspex screens in stock at £95.00 Each.

We can supply glass at the following prices:

10 x Rear Glass Screens ( Retail £350.00 ) £225.00 Each

5 x Front Glass Screens ( Retail £375.00 ) £295.00 Each

In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they are supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.

Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens to one destination.

We would have to pack them in batches of 5. And you would be looking at around £200.00 to have each batch of 5 screens professionally crated ( our shippers insist on this ) - in all £600 for crating.

To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost

in the region of £1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at approx 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.

I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e everybody wanting glass rear screens.

To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to ship 5 perspex screens would cost £200 - £300.

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-07-02 by Ronald McLeod

Jeff . . .

Paul Dransfield and I had an article in Torque magazine issue 81, on our windscreen replacements. The shipper that we used was:

Stan Hilton

Partimex Trading International

Unit 14, Wilds Yard, Station Road

Cullompton, Devon

EX15 1BQ

England

telephone: (0) 1884 35522

Cost for 2 windscreens: pickup from Pilkington Glass, crating to ensure the screens would withstand the stresses of shipping, transportation in a container via ship from Exeter to Toronto: 262 pounds.

Incidentally, sundry costs for brokers fees, warehouse fees, and Canadian taxes: CDN$226.

Regards . . . Ron McLeod
1970 Marcos Mantis P8/5858

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:22 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Hi All,

I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.

I have attached their letter below.

I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to see that they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.

It looks like the glass converts to:

Rear Glass Screens $345.00 each

Front glass $452.00 each

Rear Perspex $145.00 each

It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case for 10 glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here in the US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs charges as well. I'm not sure what they would run, but I would guess the customs would be a few hundred dollars.

Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to their individual destinations.

I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an estimate from them. Lee can you do that?

Although, I'm not sure how we would estimate shipping with this method. I guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one US location as Rory did.

I'm very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping will add so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.

Please LMK what everyone thinks.

Jeff

#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Re: Marcos Glass

We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) screens.

We carry perspex screens in stock at £95.00 Each.

We can supply glass at the following prices:

10 x Rear Glass Screens ( Retail £350.00 ) £225.00 Each

5 x Front Glass Screens ( Retail £375.00 ) £295.00 Each

In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they are supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.

Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens to one destination.

To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost

in the region of £1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at approx 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.

I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e everybody wanting glass rear screens.

To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to ship 5 perspex screens would cost £200 - £300.

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-08-12 by pauldransfield@iname.com

Hi Jeff,

It's taken a while but I finally had some time to shop around for windscreens last Saturday. Unfortunately I haven't had any success so far but my best bet closed at noon, 5 minutes before I arrived, so I will have to try again next Saturday. I didn't realize until I actually went out on my quest that most of the automobile glass shops around me aren't even open on the weekend. I'll definitely get an answer one way or another by this time next week.

Regards,

Paul Dransfield

3 litre Volvo

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: July 2, 2002 8:22 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Hi All,

I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.

I have attached their letter below.

I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to see that they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.

It looks like the glass converts to:

Rear Glass Screens $345.00 each

Front glass $452.00 each

Rear Perspex $145.00 each

It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case for 10 glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here in the US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs charges as well. I\u2019m not sure what they would run, but I would guess the customs would be a few hundred dollars.

Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to their individual destinations.

I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an estimate from them. Lee can you do that?

Although, I\u2019m not sure how we would estimate shipping with this method. I guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one US location as Rory did.

I\u2019m very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping will add so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.

Although, there is still the hope of getting Perspex rears from Hayes (which I am still pursuing) and maybe getting someone in the US or Canada to do some front screens (which I would like for Paul to pursue with the place in Canada once he gets some time).

Please LMK what everyone thinks.

Jeff

#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Re: Marcos Glass

We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) screens.

We carry perspex screens in stock at \ufffd95.00 Each.

We can supply glass at the following prices:

10 x Rear Glass Screens ( Retail \ufffd350.00 ) \ufffd225.00 Each

5 x Front Glass Screens ( Retail \ufffd375.00 ) \ufffd295.00 Each

In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they are supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.

Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens to one destination.

We would have to pack them in batches of 5. And you would be looking at around \ufffd200.00 to have each batch of 5 screens professionally crated ( our shippers insist on this ) - in all \ufffd600 for crating.

To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost

in the region of \ufffd1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at approx 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.

I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e everybody wanting glass rear screens.

To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to ship 5 perspex screens would cost \ufffd200 - \ufffd300.

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Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-08-19 by Jeff Caraway

Hi All,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to
making some long overdue site updates.
The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted
their information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in
along with a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.
 
http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/
 
 
Please be sure to check out the classifieds. You'll find that a Marcos
has come up for sale stateside.
That's right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal
reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at
DovenWolf@... if you are interested in learning more about
the car.
 
Enjoy!
 
Best Regards,
Jeff

Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-08-19 by Jeff Caraway

Hi All,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to
making some long overdue site updates.
The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted
their information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in
along with a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.
 
http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/
 
 
Please be sure to check out the classifieds. You'll find that a Marcos
has come up for sale stateside.
That's right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal
reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at
DovenWolf@... if you are interested in learning more about
the car.
 
Enjoy!
 
Best Regards,
Jeff

Re: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-08-19 by Don Lattimer

Jeff,

Sorry to hear your selling the Marcos. I know how badly you wanted it last year. Hope all is well.

Great update on the site! Didn't know we had an owner in Colorado. Good excuse for me to drive mine there someday!

Don Lattimer

#3m5759

Willits, CA

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Caraway

To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:25 PM

Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Hi All,

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to making some long overdue site updates.

The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted their information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in along with a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.

http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/

Please be sure to check out the classifieds. Youll find that a Marcos has come up for sale stateside.

Thats right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at DovenWolf@... if you are interested in learning more about the car.

Enjoy!

Best Regards,

Jeff

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-08-19 by Jeff Caraway

Hi Don,
Good to hear from you.
Yeah, the guy in CO took a while to get me his information (he and Mike
had spoken last year some time).
 
Just as an aside, I was wondering if you would be interested in running
the mailing list and/or possibly taking over the web site?
I will continue to run both until I find a suitable replacement, but
would prefer that someone take over the list sometime soon.
Just LMK if there is any interest there.
 
Best Regards,
Jeff

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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lattimer [mailto:donlattimer@...] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:41 PM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Jeff,

Sorry to hear your selling the Marcos.  I know how badly you wanted it
last year.  Hope all is well.

Great update on the site!  Didn't know we had an owner in Colorado.
Good excuse for me to drive mine there someday!

Don Lattimer
#3m5759
Willits, CA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jeff Caraway <mailto:DovenWolf@...>  
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Hi All,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to
making some long overdue site updates.
The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted
their information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in
along with a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.

http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/

Please be sure to check out the classifieds. You'll find that a Marcos
has come up for sale stateside.
That's right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal
reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at
DovenWolf@... if you are interested in learning more about
the car.

Enjoy!

Best Regards,
Jeff

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

2002-08-19 by pauldransfield@iname.com

Hi again guys,

I finally managed to talk to the manager at the local Standard Auto Glass, one of the auto glass chains in Canada, and the chain that secured my replacement screen locally in 1976. He thought there was a good chance that the local windshield manufacturer (which is now owned by Pilkington) might be persuaded to make the Marcos screens locally, particularly if they were wanted in quantity, but he was going to make some enquiries before getting anyone's hopes up too high.

If this was to happen, one of the requirements would be to have someone supply a front and rear screen for use in the making of molds. Now I have to be honest and say I would be very reluctant to let them have my car for that purpose, having waited nearly 2 years to have the last front screen replaced. Knowing how valuable they are, it would be asking for trouble to have someone remove, do God knows what with during the mold making process and then replace, two perfectly good pieces of glass. However, Dave Barton from Guelph in southern Ontario was, if I recall correctly, one of the guys wanting replacements screen and if he could supply his old ones for the mold making process, that would seem to me to be a more realistic solution.

Until I get a positive response from Standard it's a moot point, but something to think about. Comments Dave?

I'll post the response as soon as I hear.

Regards,

Paul Dransfield

3 litre Volvo

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: July 2, 2002 8:22 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass

Hi All,

I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.

I have attached their letter below.

I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to see that they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.

It looks like the glass converts to:

Rear Glass Screens $345.00 each

Front glass $452.00 each

Rear Perspex $145.00 each

It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case for 10 glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here in the US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs charges as well. I\u2019m not sure what they would run, but I would guess the customs would be a few hundred dollars.

Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to their individual destinations.

I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an estimate from them. Lee can you do that?

Although, I\u2019m not sure how we would estimate shipping with this method. I guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one US location as Rory did.

I\u2019m very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping will add so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.

Although, there is still the hope of getting Perspex rears from Hayes (which I am still pursuing) and maybe getting someone in the US or Canada to do some front screens (which I would like for Paul to pursue with the place in Canada once he gets some time).

Please LMK what everyone thinks.

Jeff

#8052

-----Original Message-----
From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@...]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: DovenWolf@...
Subject: Re: Marcos Glass

We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) screens.

We carry perspex screens in stock at \ufffd95.00 Each.

We can supply glass at the following prices:

10 x Rear Glass Screens ( Retail \ufffd350.00 ) \ufffd225.00 Each

5 x Front Glass Screens ( Retail \ufffd375.00 ) \ufffd295.00 Each

In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they are supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.

Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens to one destination.

We would have to pack them in batches of 5. And you would be looking at around \ufffd200.00 to have each batch of 5 screens professionally crated ( our shippers insist on this ) - in all \ufffd600 for crating.

To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost

in the region of \ufffd1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at approx 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.

I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e everybody wanting glass rear screens.

To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to ship 5 perspex screens would cost \ufffd200 - \ufffd300.

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Re: FW: Marcos Glass

2002-08-20 by dbarton62

Paul
  I would be more than willing to supply my windshield as a 
template.........Dave #5577
  p.s. my rear screen is plexi... not suitable to make a mold I fear?



















--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., pauldransfield@i... wrote:
> Hi again guys,
>  
> I finally managed to talk to the manager at the local Standard Auto 
Glass,
> one of the auto glass chains in Canada, and the chain that secured 
my
> replacement screen locally in 1976.  He thought there was a good 
chance that
> the local windshield manufacturer (which is now owned by Pilkington) 
might
> be persuaded to make the Marcos screens locally, particularly if 
they were
> wanted in quantity, but he was going to make some enquiries before 
getting
> anyone's hopes up too high. 
>  
> If this was to happen, one of the requirements would be to have 
someone
> supply a front and rear screen for use in the making of molds. Now I 
have to
> be honest and say I would be very reluctant to let them have my car 
for that
> purpose, having waited nearly 2 years to have the last front screen
> replaced. Knowing how valuable they are, it would be asking for 
trouble to
> have someone remove, do God knows what with during the mold making 
process
> and then replace, two perfectly good pieces of glass.  However, Dave 
Barton
> from Guelph in southern Ontario was, if I recall correctly, one of 
the guys
> wanting replacements screen and if he could supply his old ones for 
the mold
> making process, that would seem to me to be a more realistic 
solution.
>  
> Until I get a positive response from Standard it's a moot point, but
> something to think about. Comments Dave?
>  
> I'll post the response as soon as I hear.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Paul Dransfield
> 3 litre Volvo
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@c...]
> Sent: July 2, 2002 8:22 AM
> To: MarcosManiacs@y...
> Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.
> I have attached their letter below.
> I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to 
see that
> they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.
> It looks like the glass converts to:
> Rear Glass Screens       $345.00 each
> Front glass                    $452.00 each
> Rear Perspex                $145.00 each
>  
> It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case 
for 10
> glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here 
in the
> US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs 
charges as
> well. I'm not sure what they would run, but I would guess the 
customs would
> be a few hundred dollars.
> Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to 
their
> individual destinations.
>  
> I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an 
estimate
> from them. Lee can you do that?
> Although, I'm not sure how we would estimate shipping with this 
method. I
> guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one 
US
> location as Rory did.
>  
> I'm very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping 
will add
> so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.
> Although, there is still the hope of getting Perspex rears from 
Hayes (which
> I am still pursuing) and maybe getting someone in the US or Canada 
to do
> some front screens (which I would like for Paul to pursue with the 
place in
> Canada once he gets some time).
>  
> Please LMK what everyone thinks.
>  
> Jeff
> #8052
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@r...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: DovenWolf@c...
> Subject: Re: Marcos Glass
>  
> We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) 
screens.
>  
> We carry perspex screens in stock at £95.00 Each.
>  
> We can supply glass at the following prices:
>  
> 10  x  Rear Glass Screens  ( Retail £350.00 )    £225.00 Each
> 5  x  Front Glass Screens  ( Retail £375.00 )      £295.00 Each
>  
> In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they 
are
> supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.
>  
> Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens 
to one
> destination.
>  
> We would have to pack them in batches of 5. And you would be looking 
at
> around £200.00 to have each batch of 5 screens professionally crated 
( our
> shippers insist on this ) - in all £600 for crating. 
> To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost
> in the region of £1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at 
approx
> 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.
>  
> I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e  everybody wanting 
glass rear
> screens.
> To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to 
ship 5

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> perspex screens would cost £200 - £300.
>  
>  
> 
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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Re: FW: Marcos Glass

2002-08-20 by pauldransfield@iname.com

Hi Dave,

That would be great and a relief. I don't know what process is used for
constructing molds but I wouldn't discount using a plexi screen for that
purpose until I've spoken with the manufacturer. Let's hope they're willing
to undertake the project and for a reasonable price.

Regards,
        Paul

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-----Original Message-----
From: dbarton62 [mailto:dbarton62@...]
Sent: August 20, 2002 7:17 AM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: FW: Marcos Glass


Paul
  I would be more than willing to supply my windshield as a 
template.........Dave #5577
  p.s. my rear screen is plexi... not suitable to make a mold I fear?



















--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., pauldransfield@i... wrote:
> Hi again guys,
>  
> I finally managed to talk to the manager at the local Standard Auto 
Glass,
> one of the auto glass chains in Canada, and the chain that secured 
my
> replacement screen locally in 1976.  He thought there was a good 
chance that
> the local windshield manufacturer (which is now owned by Pilkington) 
might
> be persuaded to make the Marcos screens locally, particularly if 
they were
> wanted in quantity, but he was going to make some enquiries before 
getting
> anyone's hopes up too high. 
>  
> If this was to happen, one of the requirements would be to have 
someone
> supply a front and rear screen for use in the making of molds. Now I 
have to
> be honest and say I would be very reluctant to let them have my car 
for that
> purpose, having waited nearly 2 years to have the last front screen
> replaced. Knowing how valuable they are, it would be asking for 
trouble to
> have someone remove, do God knows what with during the mold making 
process
> and then replace, two perfectly good pieces of glass.  However, Dave 
Barton
> from Guelph in southern Ontario was, if I recall correctly, one of 
the guys
> wanting replacements screen and if he could supply his old ones for 
the mold
> making process, that would seem to me to be a more realistic 
solution.
>  
> Until I get a positive response from Standard it's a moot point, but
> something to think about. Comments Dave?
>  
> I'll post the response as soon as I hear.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Paul Dransfield
> 3 litre Volvo
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@c...]
> Sent: July 2, 2002 8:22 AM
> To: MarcosManiacs@y...
> Subject: [MarcosManiacs] FW: Marcos Glass
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> I received a reply from Marcos Heritage regarding glass pricing.
> I have attached their letter below.
> I went with 5 fronts and 10 rears as our estimate. I was happy to 
see that
> they do indeed carry the Perspex rears.
> It looks like the glass converts to:
> Rear Glass Screens       $345.00 each
> Front glass                    $452.00 each
> Rear Perspex                $145.00 each
>  
> It sounds as if we would be facing an additional 3216.00 (worst case 
for 10
> glass rears-see below) to get them shipped to ONE destination here 
in the
> US. I think that we will also have to pay some type of customs 
charges as
> well. I'm not sure what they would run, but I would guess the 
customs would
> be a few hundred dollars.
> Then we would incur more shipping to part them out and send them to 
their
> individual destinations.
>  
> I guess we need to go ahead and contact Pilkingtons (sp?) to get an 
estimate
> from them. Lee can you do that?
> Although, I'm not sure how we would estimate shipping with this 
method. I
> guess we could have Pilkingtons estimate it for shipping them to one 
US
> location as Rory did.
>  
> I'm very disappointed by what I have found so far as the shipping 
will add
> so much to it that it probably will not be viable for most.
> Although, there is still the hope of getting Perspex rears from 
Hayes (which
> I am still pursuing) and maybe getting someone in the US or Canada 
to do
> some front screens (which I would like for Paul to pursue with the 
place in
> Canada once he gets some time).
>  
> Please LMK what everyone thinks.
>  
> Jeff
> #8052
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pike Associates [mailto:sales@r...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: DovenWolf@c...
> Subject: Re: Marcos Glass
>  
> We can supply rear glass or perspex ( lexan / polycarbonate ) 
screens.
>  
> We carry perspex screens in stock at \ufffd95.00 Each.
>  
> We can supply glass at the following prices:
>  
> 10  x  Rear Glass Screens  ( Retail \ufffd350.00 )    \ufffd225.00 Each
> 5  x  Front Glass Screens  ( Retail \ufffd375.00 )      \ufffd295.00 Each
>  
> In all honesty the perspex screens are a definate fit because they 
are
> supplied oversize as opposed to the glass rear screens.
>  
> Regarding the shipping, it would be much cheaper to send the screens 
to one
> destination.
>  
> We would have to pack them in batches of 5. And you would be looking 
at
> around \ufffd200.00 to have each batch of 5 screens professionally crated 
( our
> shippers insist on this ) - in all \ufffd600 for crating. 
> To ship the screens ( 3 boxes ) to North America is going to cost
> in the region of \ufffd1500.00. The 3 boxes volumetrically work out at 
approx
> 840kg therefor making a very expensive shipping cost.
>  
> I have quoted for "worst case scenario " - i.e  everybody wanting 
glass rear
> screens.
> To ship a quantity of perspex screens would be a lot less - i.e to 
ship 5
> perspex screens would cost \ufffd200 - \ufffd300.
>  
>  
> 
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Re: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-08-20 by Don Lattimer

Jeff,

I'll gladly run the mailing list if all agree. Doesn't look to hard to swap it over. I'd love to run the website also but I'm not quite in a position to do it. Don't have the server nor the expertise required. Wish I did!

Please let me knw what is involved as "owner" of the list. Thanks.

;

Don Lattimer

#3m5759

Willits, CA

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Caraway

To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:00 AM

Subject: RE: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Hi Don,

Good to hear from you.

Yeah, the guy in CO took a while to get me his information (he and Mike had spoken last year some time).

Just as an aside, I was wondering if you would be interested in running the mailing list and/or possibly taking over the web site?

I will continue to run both until I find a suitable replacement, but would prefer that someone take over the list sometime soon.

Just LMK if there is any interest there.

Best Regards,

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lattimer [mailto:donlattimer@...]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:41 PM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Jeff,

Sorry to hear your selling the Marcos. I know how badly you wanted it last year. Hope all is well.

Great update on the site! Didn't know we had an owner in Colorado. Good excuse for me to drive mine there someday!

Don Lattimer

#3m5759

Willits, CA

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff Caraway

To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:25 PM

Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Hi All,

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to making some long overdue site updates.

The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted their information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in along with a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.

http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/

Please be sure to check out the classifieds. Youll find that a Marcos has come up for sale stateside.

Thats right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at DovenWolf@carolina.rr.com if you are interested in learning more about the car.

Enjoy!

Best Regards,

Jeff

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RE: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

2002-09-04 by pauldransfield@iname.com

Hi Jeff,
 
I'm sorry to hear you're selling your car. It must have been a difficult
decision. 
 
I'm still waiting to hear back from the glass company about the windshields
and I'm planning on making a follow-up call today. In the meantime, I
haven't received any emails through the group for two or three weeks now and
I was wondering if I have been inadvertently dropped from the mailing list
or if my company has somehow filtered out the email from Yahoo. I certainly
cannot access our Yahoo site from here because access is blocked.  Could you
send me a direct email response regarding the mailing list because I'd like
to figure out a way around the problem.
 
Thanks,
 
Paul Dransfield
3 litre Volvo

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Caraway [mailto:DovenWolf@...]
Sent: August 18, 2002 8:25 PM
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Site update and Marcos for sale!

Hi All,
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally gotten around to
making some long overdue site updates.
The registry keeps growing (thanks to all those that have submitted their
information), the new Marcos Engineering site has been linked in along with
a picture of the new Marcosite TS250.

http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/
<http://www.greyraven.tzo.com/MarcosManiacs/> 

Please be sure to check out the classifieds. You'll find that a Marcos has
come up for sale stateside.
That's right, I have decided to sell my 1984 2.8 liter GT for personal
reasons. Please check it out on the site and email me in private at
DovenWolf@... <mailto:DovenWolf@...>  if you are
interested in learning more about the car.

Enjoy!

Best Regards,
Jeff

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