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wow, you guys never give up, do you.

wow, you guys never give up, do you.

2004-07-30 by Phil

I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!"
and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk about
this any more BUT..." ones. If it wasn't clogging up the group, I'd
actually find it amusing. So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er
India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.

Peace
Phil

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] wow, you guys never give up, do you.

2004-07-30 by Stefan Trethan

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:30:02 -0000, Phil <phil1960us@...> wrote:

> I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!"
> and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk about
> this any more BUT..." ones. If it wasn't clogging up the group, I'd
> actually find it amusing. So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er
> India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.
>
> Peace
> Phil

Phil,

i must apologize for clogging the group, but i'm a very strange person.
I simply can't, and i mean i really physically can't look away when i
read about someone telling stuff i think is wrong. i will try to proove
him that he is wrong, or have my mind changed by proof provided by him.
I'll basically do this until i'm convinced otherwise, he is convinced
otherwise,
or he does no longer speak with me ;-).

You can assume what happens if i have a run-in with one of the "free
energy" guys
and trying to point a measuring error out..... I must avoid these guys or
i need
help soon ;-)

well, good luck..

ST

Re: wow, you guys never give up, do you.

2004-07-30 by mikezcnc

only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of
letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you
know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.

Mike


-- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan
<stefan_trethan@g...> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:30:02 -0000, Phil <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
>
> > I sure hope some one does as I'm really wallowing in "is!"
> > and "isn't!" postings and the follow on "I'm not going to talk
about
> > this any more BUT..." ones. If it wasn't clogging up the group,
I'd
> > actually find it amusing. So, I'll just kick back with an IPA, er
> > India Pale Ale, and wait for the dust to s-l-o-w-l-y settle.
> >
> > Peace
> > Phil
>
> Phil,
>
> i must apologize for clogging the group, but i'm a very strange
person.
> I simply can't, and i mean i really physically can't look away when
i
> read about someone telling stuff i think is wrong. i will try to
proove
> him that he is wrong, or have my mind changed by proof provided by
him.
> I'll basically do this until i'm convinced otherwise, he is
convinced
> otherwise,
> or he does no longer speak with me ;-).
>
> You can assume what happens if i have a run-in with one of
the "free
> energy" guys
> and trying to point a measuring error out..... I must avoid these
guys or
> i need
> help soon ;-)
>
> well, good luck..
>
> ST

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: wow, you guys never give up, do you.

2004-07-30 by Stefan Trethan

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:32:53 -0000, mikezcnc <eemikez@...> wrote:

> only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of
> letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you
> know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.
>
> Mike

Well, i can't help your laziness. I'd like to be convinced (even off list),
but if you won't do it i must be convinced by all the scientific papers.

ST

Stefan

2004-07-30 by mikezcnc

don't worry, about it, I enjoy it to the fullest and I do not want to
change that comfortable for me state of inner happieness. Do you know
why I am happy? Because I found a technique that allows me to make
PCBs like we always wanted to- the way the laser printer works (you
feed the paper and it comes out - printed), the way the scanner works
(you feed the paper and - comes out as a scan of Marlyn Monroe, for
example). With Gootee paper and H200 laminator I just feed the paper
with the PCB (from ebay- thank you for the hint while back...) and I
HAVE IT in a mater of seconds. Stefan, to me it is a dream come true.

For a person that wants a quick PCB of predictable and repeatable
quality this is a nirvana come true and I know you wholeheartedly do
agree with me, like every other member on this fine board s well as
the boys in a copperclad room.

You know Stefan how hard I tried for months to follow the info from
this group and from the internet- nothing worked (everybody out there
claims being able to make TT boards but some of them have half inch
traces...). And now suddenly it does work and everyone who knows how
to read, knows it too, specially that Tom will publish the info about
H200 on his website, I trust.

We all can congratulte ourselves that WE were able to push the
envelope of TT. Would I be able to do it myself without you? Of
course not. Without Tom's website? Of course not. But all together WE
DID CAME UP with a new technique for using TT. We should be happy
about it, us grumpy engineers. How do you think the PCB mfrs feel
when they read it? Do they truly laugh?! I doubt it.

Ok, let me add to it, that I value highly Jeremy's comments on
thruhole plating from yesterday and today. Frankly, Markus's setup
intimidated me too much but both of them were crucial to my
understanding of the subject. Maybe one of us will publish something
in few days that will make it even simpler.. I don't doubt it, that
someone else already out there already figured it out, like Jeremy
did.

As far as that bloody IPA goes, I don't have anything more than
stories right now and I truly am not interested in finding more to
prove them. Anybody has access to internet searches and I am sure
it's out there. The mere fact I wanted to drop that discussion is
because I did not want to trash this bord with more comments, whcih
attract even more comments, even less needed. Mike

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan
<stefan_trethan@g...> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:32:53 -0000, mikezcnc <eemikez@c...> wrote:
>
> > only on that particular subject, Stefan. It is called the art of
> > letting it go... Frankly, I know what I know and you know what you
> > know and I am just too lazy to convince you otherwise.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, i can't help your laziness. I'd like to be convinced (even
off list),
> but if you won't do it i must be convinced by all the scientific
papers.
>
> ST