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Seno 1000 liquid photoresist

Seno 1000 liquid photoresist

2004-06-24 by gregben

Does anyone have any experience applying, exposing,
developing, etc. with Seno 1000 photoresist? This
is a positive-acting, dyed, aqueous developed and
stripped liquid photoresist. The only place that I've
found that sells it is Mega Electronics in the UK.

I'm interested in this because I have easy access to high
resolution laser photoplots and want to use photoresist
for board-making instead of toner transfer.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Seno 1000 liquid photoresist

2004-06-24 by Leon Heller

----- Original Message -----
From: "gregben" <gregben@...>
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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Seno 1000 liquid photoresist


> Does anyone have any experience applying, exposing,
> developing, etc. with Seno 1000 photoresist? This
> is a positive-acting, dyed, aqueous developed and
> stripped liquid photoresist. The only place that I've
> found that sells it is Mega Electronics in the UK.
>
> I'm interested in this because I have easy access to high
> resolution laser photoplots and want to use photoresist
> for board-making instead of toner transfer.

I've tried it. It works OK but I found it difficult to get an even film of
resist. It's probably OK with a bit of practise. I normally use the
pre-coated material.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Seno 1000 liquid photoresist

2004-06-24 by Jan Kok

> The only place that I've found that sells it is Mega Electronics in
the UK.

Mega Electronics has a distributor in the US:
Vital Presentation Concepts, Inc.
www.vpcinc.com
info@...
1-800-648-2320

I just emailed them to find out if they have the Sena photoresist and
price.

Looks like they have a variety of prototype and short run PCB production
equipment and supplies.

If I get a positive response from them, I'll add a link in the links
section of the Homebrew_PCBs group web page.

Cheers,
- Jan

Re: Seno 1000 liquid photoresist

2004-06-25 by Dave Mucha

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "gregben" <gregben@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience applying, exposing,
> developing, etc. with Seno 1000 photoresist? This
> is a positive-acting, dyed, aqueous developed and
> stripped liquid photoresist. The only place that I've
> found that sells it is Mega Electronics in the UK.
>
> I'm interested in this because I have easy access to high
> resolution laser photoplots and want to use photoresist
> for board-making instead of toner transfer.

My question is what are the things one looks for in a photo resist ?

dyed ?
positive ?
cost ? availability ?

What is available in the States at a reasonable cost ? and is that
better then buying pre-coated boards ?

Dave

There was a gentleman on here that offered me coated boards last
year, but never offered prices.

I am still mechanically etching, but after seeing that T-Tech go on E-
bay for $$$$ I may sell mine and buy Ballendos unit.

Dave

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] photoresist

2004-06-28 by Adam Seychell

I use negative "dry-film" resist. I got about 20meters off a old
roll from a local PCB shop. New film only sold in pair of rolls
152.4 meter length 305mm width, price $AU600.

Application is tricky without the help from some basic tools. No
need to buy a hot roll laminator. I got two rubber ink rollers
from a old printing machine. I built a mounted frame so they roll
against each other. I manually feed the PCB through the rollers
while the film wraps around the top half of a roller, hanging
down on the outside. Both the film and PCB go through the
rollers. While laminating, warm water is slowly poured at the
interface between the film and PCB as its feed through. This
gives a lamination that is free from trapped air bubbles, dusk
particles and wrinkles.
The PCB is then heated in drying oven at 90°C for 5 minutes and
the film 'bakes' on. Its impossible to peel away the film after
that. Developing and stripping are processed as normal.

The difficult part is finding a cheap printing press rubber
roller. One of the rollers can be hard, like that from a old dot
matrix, inkjet or laser printer.



gregben wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience applying, exposing,
> developing, etc. with Seno 1000 photoresist? This
> is a positive-acting, dyed, aqueous developed and
> stripped liquid photoresist. The only place that I've
> found that sells it is Mega Electronics in the UK.
>
> I'm interested in this because I have easy access to high
> resolution laser photoplots and want to use photoresist
> for board-making instead of toner transfer.
>

Re: photoresist

2004-06-28 by Brian Chapman

> I got two rubber ink rollers from a old printing machine. I built a
mounted frame so they roll against each other.

Adam, do you have photos of the device you built? I'd love to
see 'em. By "old printing machine," do you mean mean something from a
printing shop printing press? What size are the rollers?

When you're laminating film to PCB, does not the film (cut larger
than the plate?) adhere to the rollers?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Cedar Rapids, Iowa


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Re: photoresist

2004-06-28 by nps0

> The difficult part is finding a cheap printing press rubber
> roller. One of the rollers can be hard, like that from a old dot
> matrix, inkjet or laser printer.
>
Possibility: old washing machine wringer rollers (remember when?)
or maybe industrial mop wringer rollers. Just a thought.

Wouldn't like to part with a little of that old film, would you?

Norm

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: photoresist

2004-06-29 by Adam Seychell

nps0 wrote:

>
>
>>The difficult part is finding a cheap printing press rubber
>>roller. One of the rollers can be hard, like that from a old dot
>>matrix, inkjet or laser printer.
>>
>
> Possibility: old washing machine wringer rollers (remember when?)
> or maybe industrial mop wringer rollers. Just a thought.

I haven't seen these rollers around. Ink rollers are precision
molded and very smooth. Any lumps on the rollers will cause
"dents" in the film. I got two secondhand rollers from a rubber
roller manufacture. There are several manufactures around my city
Melbourne, Australia. They all seem to make custom rollers, since
each roller is different for each application so there is no such
thing as an off the shelf rubber roller. I was lucky they had
some old rollers laying around the factory floor. It turned out I
only needed one rubber roller while the other could be any
material/diameter, such as one scavenged from a desktop printer.

Another possibility is to get some rubber sheet feed that between
the film and a rollers. Then two hard rollers could be used.
The idea would be to wet the film and rubber. Place film on
rubber sheet so it adherers with water surface tension, i.e no
wringles and completly conforms to surface of rubber sheet. Feed
the rubber sheet with film into the rollers with the PCB and push
it through. It would be much easier to have a handle on the shaft
of one of the rollers so it can be wound by hand.
Hard rollers from printers have good precision and should work
very well.


The film has clear protective layers on both sides. One
protective side is made from mylar, and it is made very thin so
photo mask can sits close as possible to its surface and avoid
light undercut. The other side is polyethylene which is no
different from cling food wrap. The protective polyethylene film
is removed and it is this side of the resists which goes on the
copper. The mylar film must remain on the other side of the
resist since it must be present during UV exposure. Apparently
atmospheric oxygen inhibits the photo polymerization of negative
dry film resists.



> Wouldn't like to part with a little of that old film, would you?
I can give you a meter or so x 220 mm width, email me to discuss
postage details. I haven't tried obtaining the data sheet. Its
standard aqueous processable resist. Developed in 25 to 35°C 8 to
10g/L Na2CO3 in tray with gentle wipe with paint brush. Stripped
in room temp 20 to 80g/L NaOH, tray or immersion tank, soaked for
2 to 10 minutes or until all resists lifts off copper, depending
on temperature and period of time has been on board.