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direct mask via inkjet?

direct mask via inkjet?

2004-03-03 by Phil

OK, so I got interested and burned some google cycles... forgive me
if this is old stuff that goes nowhere.

It seems that inkjet printers use pretty standard water-based inks.
They carry the pigment (called colorants) to paper. These are
particles in suspension. While the formulations are some what
special for viscosity and surface tension, they are pretty standard.
So spraying down a non-water based ink is probably out but it does
seem possible to lay down a water based ink pattern on copper. The
big issue is what happens once it hits the etch tank - the inks tend
to run.

Now what if there was an additive/pigment that consisted of particles
of a solid, water insoluable substance that had a melting point below
the melting point of PCB substrate materials. Then you could print
the pattern and put it in the oven to cause the resist particles to
melt and fuse. Removal would be via a solvent.

Or, I know that there are water based polyurathane paints, I think
that these cure to be reasonably water resistant and thus could form
a resist. It would have to be thinned a lot, of course. There are
also companies that makes the poly additive so it could just be added
to a standard inkjet formulation. There are solvents that clean this
stuff up after it has dried/cured.

Finally, what about an ink that is a UV sensitive component (like the
coatings of presensitized PCBs). Print and expose to UV to cure.

Thoughts?


maybe that acetone is worse than I though... LOL

Re: direct mask via inkjet?

2004-03-03 by Steve

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
...
> Finally, what about an ink that is a UV sensitive component (like the
> coatings of presensitized PCBs). Print and expose to UV to cure.

There are brand new printers out that use UV cure ink. They are wide
format printers, though. Don't know how they'd work in a desktop
printer. Anyone work in a signshop and can beg or buy a few mL of ink
to try in an old Epson?

Problem is, most of the older desktop Epsons don't have a straight
through path. Of course, you can -try- it onto paper in a cheap Epson
400 or 600, and if it works then get a newer model, one that can print
on a CD will take something thick enough.

Steve

Re: direct mask via inkjet?

2004-03-03 by Phil

I'm heading to RE-PC this week, do you off hand know which, if any,
epson models have a straight path?

also, I wonder if water based additives will survive the steam pop
that drives the ink. worth a try with my junker hp 697c.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@y...>
wrote:
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...>
wrote:
> ...
> > Finally, what about an ink that is a UV sensitive component (like
the
> > coatings of presensitized PCBs). Print and expose to UV to cure.
>
> There are brand new printers out that use UV cure ink. They are wide
> format printers, though. Don't know how they'd work in a desktop
> printer. Anyone work in a signshop and can beg or buy a few mL of
ink
> to try in an old Epson?
>
> Problem is, most of the older desktop Epsons don't have a straight
> through path. Of course, you can -try- it onto paper in a cheap
Epson
> 400 or 600, and if it works then get a newer model, one that can
print
> on a CD will take something thick enough.
>
> Steve

Re: direct mask via inkjet?

2004-03-03 by Steve

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <phil1960us@y...> wrote:
> I'm heading to RE-PC this week, do you off hand know which, if any,
> epson models have a straight path?

Sorry, you'll just have to look at the backs. Most of the older ones
do not. The 1520 does, as does the 3000, but both are rather expensive
wide printers.

The black only Epson 800 (not to be confused with the Stylus Color
800) has a removeable back that I thought could be modified to take a
board straight through.

> also, I wonder if water based additives will survive the steam pop
> that drives the ink. worth a try with my junker hp 697c.

What "water based additives" do you mean? Stefan already tried Future
Floor Polish (a plastic coating) in an HP and it terminally clogged.

Steve