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Digital non-contact temp gauge at Sears

2004-02-03 by Steve

Craftsman Infrared non-contact digital thermometer, with laser pointer
and 6:1 ratio (one inch circle at 6 inches). Up to 6 feet away,
518F/270C max.

Number 82327

<http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=03482327000>

Sears website says $60 with $10 rebate, but in the store they are
marked $50 flat, no rebate required.

I've been pointing mine at everything. Our pets, the ceiling, stuff in
the fridge and freezer, the inside of my computer, myself, etc.

One important thing to know: it's calibrated for an emmissivity of
0.97. That means anything light colored is going to read as a lower
temperature than it really is. Like a silver bottomed iron. Easy fix-
stick a piece of dark heat resistant tape to the iron. Measure on the
tape, then measure on the untaped silvery bottom and you have a fudge
factor. Now you don't need to put the tape on the iron again.

Steve

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Digital non-contact temp gauge at Sears

2004-02-03 by Ron Amundson

> One important thing to know: it's calibrated for an emmissivity of
> 0.97. That means anything light colored is going to read as a lower
> temperature than it really is. Like a silver bottomed iron. Easy fix-
> stick a piece of dark heat resistant tape to the iron. Measure on the
> tape, then measure on the untaped silvery bottom and you have a fudge
> factor. Now you don't need to put the tape on the iron again.

The fudge factor will work as long as the temperature you are trying to
measure is reasonably close to the temperature used to create the fudge
factor. If it is different by a hundred degrees or so, the error can be
fairly large. Their are some surfaces that do not lend themselves to
measurement via single band IR, as the emissivity is too low, and the signal
gets buried in noise. A good example is an uncoated stainless steel oven
shroud. Often times it will act as a mirror, and something as simple as the
distant reflection of a gas furnace will cause huge temperature shifts. Now
if you cover the stainless steel with all sorts of dirt, the effective
emissivity increases, and an accurate measurement is possible. Therefore,
factory cleaning can cause severe headaches and distress for the tech
support guy..... and some level of bewilderment for the design engineer.

I spent 5 years designing these type of units. They are a lot of fun to use,
and will cause much loss of hair during design and will cause many
challenges for tech support.

Other useful tricks.
WD40 works as an emissivity enhancer in some applications, and can easily be
cleaned up.
Dr Shoals foot power is perfect for normalizing the surface emissivity of a
complex shape in order to measure gradients if the spot size is small
enough. Eg, a populated pcb, or even for reflow oven setup.
Red Devil BBQ black is an ideal coating for high temp surfaces, as its
emissivity is constant, unlike many other coatings that have emissivity
changes over time and temperature cycles.
Anodized aluminum irrespective of color or clear has an emissivity of around
0.9
Sandblasting works well to improve the surface emissivity of most metallic
surfaces

Warnings:
The spot size as describe in most literature is not very accurate. Some
times the spot size is determine by a 50% fall off of signal level. Other
times it is 67%, 95% or 99%. The spot size surface distribution is not a box
car shape, it is a function of careful optical design. As such, many times
advertised specs are pretty worthless. Testing in the application is the
only solution.

Emissivity has spectral components, and directional components, and as such
emissivity tables are usually only ball park figures. Not sure if the
Craftsman unit will measure low temperatures, but snow and ice are quite
interesting. Mount a unit on your car and you will increase your personal
safety while driving in bad weather. The snow plows here in MN use IR
thermometers to help control sand/salt mix and deposition rates.

Do not take your unit out in the cold, and then measure something. Most
units require ambient temperature stabilization times of 30 minutes to 90
minutes for accurate measurements. This was a real challenge as our sales
guys would keep the units in the car, then bring them into a customer demo,
and they would drift until they stabilized at the new ambient.

Other interesting facts
The best book on IR thermometry was written by Dave DeWitt when he was at
Purdue. Last time we got together he was finishing a sabbatical at NIST, and
was planning to move there for a full time position, but that was years ago.

There are less than 20 manufacturers of IR thermometers. It is a closely
knit group of some really great guys. We used to meet every year at NIST or
the ASTM meetings and as a team were writing a users guide for IR
thermometry. I went to work for another outfit before it was finished, but
the guide had a lot of potential.

Ray Peacock has an excellent writeup on IR thermometry on his web site.
http://www.temperatures.com/ncsensors.html He was the chair of our ASTM
working group, and also teaches courses for ISA.

Have fun with your unit
Ron

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Digital non-contact temp gauge at Sears

2004-02-03 by Ron Amundson

> And what exactly is the advantage compared to the temperature probe on the
> multimeter?
> i mean the whole thing with the emmisivity is not worth the trouble or
not?
> the tiny temperature probe on the mutimeter is on equal temp. in 3
> seconds, it reads
> up to above 1000 degree C (they say 1200, i really doubt that....).

Most multimeter probes are very inaccurate when trying to read a surface
temperature. They are fine for insertion, or for measuring fluid or gas
temps. Surface temperature measurement is a huge problem, IR works some
times, but is not a cure-all either. A differential heat flux sensor may be
the best solution for highly accurate surface measurements, but the
fragility, and cost make them less than practical. One of my coworkers
designed a really decent surface probe, but even it is subject to a small
amount of thermal loading. http://www.fluke.com/products/home.asp?PID=34306

We sold a bunch of these http://www.fluke.com/products/home.asp?PID=9452 and
while good for ball park measurements, they do not come anywhere near the
previous version for surface temps.

Pipes are another challenge, the guys did this one, and due to the
shielding, it does pretty well.
http://www.fluke.com/products/home.asp?PID=9472

Insertion probes do quite well, but you do need to insert them a minimum of
5, and hopefully 10 X the probes diameter to get a good measurement.

As far as 1000 deg C, most probes will not survive very long, or will be
subject to changes in their output after high temp exposure. Many times rare
earth metals are used to protect the probe, and the costs skyrocket. I
bought a type S probe years ago, it was over $1000, vs a generic K probe was
only $7.

We used to build high temp sensors which used IR and could measure thousands
of degrees C, an environment wherein a regular probe would be instantly
vaporized.

I miss the temp sensor days, they were a lot of fun.
Ron

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Digital non-contact temp gauge at Sears

2004-02-03 by Stefan Trethan

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:12:47 -0000, Steve <alienrelics@...> wrote:

> Craftsman Infrared non-contact digital thermometer, with laser pointer
> and 6:1 ratio (one inch circle at 6 inches). Up to 6 feet away,
> 518F/270C max.
>
> Number 82327
>
> <http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=03482327000>
>
> Sears website says $60 with $10 rebate, but in the store they are
> marked $50 flat, no rebate required.
>
> I've been pointing mine at everything. Our pets, the ceiling, stuff in
> the fridge and freezer, the inside of my computer, myself, etc.
>
> One important thing to know: it's calibrated for an emmissivity of
> 0.97. That means anything light colored is going to read as a lower
> temperature than it really is. Like a silver bottomed iron. Easy fix-
> stick a piece of dark heat resistant tape to the iron. Measure on the
> tape, then measure on the untaped silvery bottom and you have a fudge
> factor. Now you don't need to put the tape on the iron again.
>
> Steve
>

And what exactly is the advantage compared to the temperature probe on the 
multimeter?
i mean the whole thing with the emmisivity is not worth the trouble or not?
the tiny temperature probe on the mutimeter is on equal temp. in 3 
seconds, it reads
up to above 1000 degree C (they say 1200, i really doubt that....).

just wanted to add that, optical is good, like with rpm meters, but it can 
be a disadvantage too...

ST

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