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Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-17 by Steve Greenfield

Anyone tried this stuff? Spray it on, run a Laser over it, it turns black and waterproof/permanent. A wet sponge wipes off the unLasered portion.


I don't know what the lowest power Laser is that can be practically used with this. Their website is a bit light on details.

I found a distributor with a lot more information. It only mentions CO2 and Fiber Lasers.


I have no idea if one of those blue and green 5,500mW solid state Lasers on eBay, Amazon, and Bangood would work, for instance added on to an existing 3D printer or CNC engraver/carver. CO2 lasers are far IR at around 10,000nm.

 
Steve Greenfield AE7HD http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-17 by Cristian

At 06:27 PM 17-09-16, you wrote:
 

Anyone tried this stuff? Spray it on, run a Laser over it, it turns black and waterproof/permanent. A wet sponge wipes off the unLasered portion.

https://www.cermarksales.com/

I don't know what the lowest power Laser is that can be practically used with this. Their website is a bit light on details.

I found a distributor with a lot more information. It only mentions CO2 and Fiber Lasers.

http://www.engraversnetwork.com/products/thermarkcermark/laser-settings-chart/

I have no idea if one of those blue and green 5,500mW solid state Lasers on eBay, Amazon, and Bangood would work, for instance added on to an existing 3D printer or CNC engraver/carver. CO2 lasers are far IR at around 10,000nm.

Are those solutions color sensitive or only thermal sensitive?
Why not 1W laser with reduced speed 10 times (from the recommended 15cm/sec)  for the LMM14 spray?
Cristian

Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-17 by Cornelis van Rensburg

I have one of those k40 co2 lasers.
I spray paint the pcb with black spraypaint and let dry.


Then I use the laser engraving function to burn away the paint Where copper must be exposed.


Works a treat and I set my laser at 5% power.
I had a 200mw red laser setup on my cnc mill some time ago and it burned through a plastic cd case(black), (so i guess paint will be no problem) so I was actually also considering buying a led laser engraver off Banggood, and also adding a pcb drill to the rig. Then i can etch and drill without moving the pcb.


Alignment pins and holes would take care of other side pcb alignment


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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-17 by Jeff Heiss

It looks like a pigment is used to absorb the light where it then melts and fuses to the material. 

 

http://www.engraversnetwork.com/products/thermarkcermark/how-it-works/

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

 

 

At 06:27 PM 17-09-16, you wrote:

 

Anyone tried this stuff? Spray it on, run a Laser over it, it turns black and waterproof/permanent. A wet sponge wipes off the unLasered portion.

https://www.cermarksales.com/

I don't know what the lowest power Laser is that can be practically used with this. Their website is a bit light on details.

I found a distributor with a lot more information. It only mentions CO2 and Fiber Lasers.

http://www.engraversnetwork.com/products/thermarkcermark/laser-settings-chart/

I have no idea if one of those blue and green 5,500mW solid state Lasers on eBay, Amazon, and Bangood would work, for instance added on to an existing 3D printer or CNC engraver/carver. CO2 lasers are far IR at around 10,000nm.


Are those solutions color sensitive or only thermal sensitive?
Why not 1W laser with reduced speed 10 times (from the recommended 15cm/sec)  for the LMM14 spray?
Cristian

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by alienrelics@...

I don't know. 1.5cm per second is pretty slow.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <crissstian@...> wrote :

Are those solutions color sensitive or only thermal sensitive?
Why not 1W laser with reduced speed 10 times (from the recommended 15cm/sec)  for the LMM14 spray?
Cristian

Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by alienrelics@...

Yikes! Melted glass. That might count it out as an etch resist, simply because I have no idea how you'd remove it without mechanically scraping it off.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <jeff.heiss@...> wrote :

It looks like a pigment is used to absorb the light where it then melts and fuses to the material. 

 

http://www.engraversnetwork.com/products/thermarkcermark/how-it-works/

 


Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by alienrelics@...

That seems like it will work with those "low" power Laser diodes in the 1 to 5W range.

After etching, the Laser could be used to remove the paint only from the areas to be soldered, if the paint makes a decent solder mask. Probably not.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by Cristian

At 06:22 AM 18-09-16, you wrote:
>
>
>I don't know. 1.5cm per second is pretty slow.

Is about the energy or what? That is the question.
Anyway is more rapid than toner transfer and 1W laser is not so expensive.
Cristian

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by Cornelis van Rensburg

No, the paint would not make a great solder mask. the paint removal by laser only works well because the laser lacks to power to harm the copper.
if the copper is etched away the laser would burn away the paint but also char the FR4
unless you mean only burning away the paint on the solder pads. but you would not get nice lettering etc


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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by Tony Smith

I’d say ‘No’, the main reasons being the Cermark is very expensive, doesn’t work all that well on copper and doesn’t appear to work well as an etch resist.

 

As Cornelis said, plain black paint works well enough.  Burn off where you want to etch and the remaining paint works as a resist.

 

I’ve been meaning to get around to lasering PCBs, I did have a quick play with paint on other metals to see if I could mark them with paint. 

 

Defacing the Commonwealths currency: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.50.28.jpg which worked reasonably well.  Those coins are a copper/nickel mix.  75% copper?

 

Images on a steel dog tag: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.53.59.jpg, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.51.42.jpg.

 

Power levels are a bit finicky, that second dog tag photo is the back of the tag and shows things got a bit too hot.

 

You can set the power low to burn the paint off, or high to leave a mark (positive vs negative images).

 

Cermark is a bit finicky too, video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_06laAjMPc where he tests at different speeds & power, and compares it to cheaper molybdenum disulphide (lubricant).  Someone in the comments mentions mixing plaster of Paris with rubbing alcohol.  I double any would work as a resist for copper etching though.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 1:27 AM
To: homebrew_pcbs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

 




Anyone tried this stuff? Spray it on, run a Laser over it, it turns black and waterproof/permanent. A wet sponge wipes off the unLasered portion.

 

 

I don't know what the lowest power Laser is that can be practically used with this. Their website is a bit light on details.

 

I found a distributor with a lot more information. It only mentions CO2 and Fiber Lasers.

 

 

I have no idea if one of those blue and green 5,500mW solid state Lasers on eBay, Amazon, and Bangood would work, for instance added on to an existing 3D printer or CNC engraver/carver. CO2 lasers are far IR at around 10,000nm.

 

 

Steve Greenfield AE7HD http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenjgreenfield




RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by alienrelics@...

I love this group.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <ajsmith1968@...> wrote :

I’d say ‘No’, the main reasons being the Cermark is very expensive, doesn’t work all that well on copper and doesn’t appear to work well as an etch resist.

 

As Cornelis said, plain black paint works well enough.  Burn off where you want to etch and the remaining paint works as a resist.

  -snip-

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-18 by Tony Smith

1.5cm/s isn’t that bad if you just do the outlines of the traces, same as how people mill PCBs.

 

Diptrace has an option where you can export the outline, I know people have written routines for Eagle etc.

 

As an aside, cutting speeds on typical hobbyist lasers (<50W) tend to be under 1cm/s.  This took an hour to cut (3mm acrylic mirror, around 50x30cm):

 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2015-12-23%2015.34.42.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2015-12-23%2014.59.30.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2015-12-23%2015.37.58.jpg

 

Lasers are awesome.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 1:22 PM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?



I don't know. 1.5cm per second is pretty slow.

 

Steve Greenfield AE7HD



---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <crissstian@...> wrote :


Are those solutions color sensitive or only thermal sensitive?
Why not 1W laser with reduced speed 10 times (from the recommended 15cm/sec)  for the LMM14 spray?
Cristian




RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by Howard Chester

About a year ago I posted a querie about using a UV LED or low power UV Laser to activate the resist on pre coated PCB using a CNC Rig.
At the time of posting a 400nM (40nM?) cost 45 English Pounds. the Laser module included a collminating Lens and a 5V active control circuit with a beam on/off 5V control/modulation input.
As i had no response, i shelved the idea. The only possible drawback would be slowing down the step speed to enable the setting of the resist.
Any thoughts on this concept/idea would appreaced
chester

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by Cristian

At 01:16 PM 19-09-16, you wrote:
>
>
>About a year ago I posted a querie about using a UV LED or low power
>UV Laser to activate the resist on pre coated PCB using a CNC Rig.
>At the time of posting a 400nM (40nM?) cost 45 English Pounds. the
>Laser module included a collminating Lens and a 5V active control
>circuit with a beam on/off 5V control/modulation input.
>As i had no response, i shelved the idea. The only possible drawback
>would be slowing down the step speed to enable the setting of the resist.
>Any thoughts on this concept/idea would appreaced
>chester

Bungard (a German company) is doing that with a 120mW UV 420nm laser
module, at a reasonable speed.
That means it can be done and sold.
You can see my calculation on the # 7204 / 2004 post in the Archive.

They sell that module for around 1.000 Euro, what I consider too expensive.

A normal UV laser diode outputs a square beam.
To get it round you need to expand it with a lens, to pass that
expanded beam through a round iris
and to focus it with a normal lens.

Collimating would be very useful, but focusing to 0.1mm diameter at a
certain distance will suffice.

My question is: do you know a round output UV laser module of
100-150mW of power?
Let me know the link to your 45 GBP collimated laser module, please.
Cristian

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by cornelis van Rensburg

In my mind spray paint is cheaper and you don't need to handle the board in darkness or enclose the laser engraver etc.
and you only get 1 chance with a UV coating...

if I screw up my pcb or the alignment is off all I need to do is grab an acetone rag, wipe off the paint, dry respray and retry.

Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by jamesmichaelnewton@...

Hang on... I don't think everyone understand the idea here, which is already working just fine for at least some members (who I would REALLY love to see pictures from, BTW Tony).

1. Clean PCB blank and spray with high temp black / dark paint.
2. Laser at low power / high speed to burn away paint around traces (isolation) or raster for removal of larger areas.
3. Etch.
4. Leave the paint / melt in place over the traces (as soldermask) and Laser again at higher power, to burn away paint / melt from solder pads. In fact... spray the etched board again with green paint (or whatever color) and laser that clear off the pads. 
5. If you etched out a hole in the center of each through hole pad, and have a high enough power laser, you might be able to laser cut your holes through the FR4. 

Now you have a nicely protected PCB. Don't tell me the paint can't manage the solder heat because there are very high temp paints. 

This REALLY sounds to me like something worth trying. 

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by Les Newell

> 1. Clean PCB blank and spray with high temp black / dark paint.
> 2. Laser at low power / high speed to burn away paint around traces
> (isolation) or raster for removal of larger areas.
> 3. Etch.

I have tried this with a range of different paints and the problem I
have found is that the paint doesn't burn off cleanly which interferes
with the etchant. I haven't found a good way of removing the residue
without removing the paint as well.

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by Tony Smith

You don’t need high temp paint, I think anything will work.  I recall reading a recommendation to use water-based polyurethane (clear top coat) as it apparently burns off without leaving a residue.  I’ll give that a try one of these days.

 

There’s no problem repainting the board after etching and using that as a solder mask, all depends in how enthusiastic you want to be.  You’d need to prepare another image so the laser can clear the pads.

 

One page (or maybe Youtube video) that I can’t find did talk about using the laser to drill the holes after etching.  The conclusion was that it wasn’t worth the effort as the holes were of poor quality.  Pretty sure that was in FR4.  And of course that’s another image you’ll need to prepare.

 

Surface mount means you don’t need many holes anyway, but a solder mask would still be handy.  You could burn the component layout into it as well.

 

Might need to try this one of these days.

 

Tony

 

 

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:09 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?



Hang on... I don't think everyone understand the idea here, which is already working just fine for at least some members (who I would REALLY love to see pictures from, BTW Tony).

 

1. Clean PCB blank and spray with high temp black / dark paint.

2. Laser at low power / high speed to burn away paint around traces (isolation) or raster for removal of larger areas.

3. Etch.

4. Leave the paint / melt in place over the traces (as soldermask) and Laser again at higher power, to burn away paint / melt from solder pads. In fact... spray the etched board again with green paint (or whatever color) and laser that clear off the pads. 

5. If you etched out a hole in the center of each through hole pad, and have a high enough power laser, you might be able to laser cut your holes through the FR4. 

 

Now you have a nicely protected PCB. Don't tell me the paint can't manage the solder heat because there are very high temp paints. 

 

This REALLY sounds to me like something worth trying. 

 




Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by dave

when you say "burn it off with a laser'  what laser are you using?

maybe a cnc machine?

dave



On 9/19/2016 10:59 AM, 'Tony Smith' ajsmith1968@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
 

You don’t need high temp paint, I think anything will work.  I recall reading a recommendation to use water-based polyurethane (clear top coat) as it apparently burns off without leaving a residue.  I’ll give that a try one of these days.

 

There’s no problem repainting the board after etching and using that as a solder mask, all depends in how enthusiastic you want to be.  You’d need to prepare another image so the laser can clear the pads.

 

One page (or maybe Youtube video) that I can’t find did talk about using the laser to drill the holes after etching.  The conclusion was that it wasn’t worth the effort as the holes were of poor quality.  Pretty sure that was in FR4.  And of course that’s another image you’ll need to prepare.

 

Surface mount means you don’t need many holes anyway, but a solder mask would still be handy.  You could burn the component layout into it as well.

 

Might need to try this one of these days.

 

Tony

 

 

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:09 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?



Hang on... I don't think everyone understand the idea here, which is already working just fine for at least some members (who I would REALLY love to see pictures from, BTW Tony).

 

1. Clean PCB blank and spray with high temp black / dark paint.

2. Laser at low power / high speed to burn away paint around traces (isolation) or raster for removal of larger areas.

3. Etch.

4. Leave the paint / melt in place over the traces (as soldermask) and Laser again at higher power, to burn away paint / melt from solder pads. In fact... spray the etched board again with green paint (or whatever color) and laser that clear off the pads. 

5. If you etched out a hole in the center of each through hole pad, and have a high enough power laser, you might be able to laser cut your holes through the FR4. 

 

Now you have a nicely protected PCB. Don't tell me the paint can't manage the solder heat because there are very high temp paints. 

 

This REALLY sounds to me like something worth trying. 

 





Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-19 by Cornelis van Rensburg

Witj my CO2 laser I had to play a bit with the power settings. Too low and the paint did not 'vaporize' properly. Too much and you actually damage the copper (in rastermode a pulse actually can have a lot of power!)

Just right leaves a dull ash on the board that i simply wiped off with a water sponge before etching and then used a sponge to wipe etchant over the board too.

I don't have fotos now, but I got very crisp traces. I am pretty sure i got 12mil lines and spacing too.

I just use normal black spray paint. Not high temp stuff.
I drill the holes first on my cnc mill. With say 4 alignment holes. Then spray both sides.
Then I 'drill' the 4 alignment holes in a mdf wood base with my laser and insert locating pins in them.
Pcb goes over pins.
Laser TOP side design onto painted board
Flip board onto pins again
Laser Bottom
Check hole aligment with tracea etc....
Etch...

The only annoyance in Pcb making for mw now is the lack of thoughole plating!

And the fact that I have to use 2 machines
Hench why I just bought one of these off banggood to which I'll stick a pcb drill on a diy z axis so I can laser and drill without moving pcb
Not bad for $215

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-20 by Howard Chester

At 01:16 PM 19-09-16, you wrote:
>
>
>About a year ago I posted a querie about using a UV LED or low power
>UV Laser to activate the resist on pre coated PCB using a CNC Rig.
>At the time of posting a 400nM (40nM?) cost 45 English Pounds. the
>Laser module included a collminating Lens and a 5V active control
>circuit with a beam on/off 5V control/modulation input.
>As i had no response, i shelved the idea. The only possible drawback
>would be slowing down the step speed to enable the setting of the resist.
>Any thoughts on this concept/idea would appreaced
>chester



Hello Cristian
>Bungard (a German company) is doing that with a 120mW UV 420nm laser
>module, at a reasonable speed.
>That means it can be done and sold.
>You can see my calculation on the # 7204 / 2004 post in the Archive.

>They sell that module for around 1.000 Euro, what I consider too expensive.

>A normal UV laser diode outputs a square beam.
>To get it round you need to expand it with a lens, to pass that
>expanded beam through a round iris
>and to focus it with a normal lens.

>Collimating would be very useful, but focusing to 0.1mm diameter at a
certain distance will suffice.

>My question is: do you know a round output UV laser module of
>100-150mW of power?
>Let me know the link to your 45 GBP collimated laser module, please.
>Cristian


The mentioned laser module has been discontinued by RS Components.
Here is the data sheets folder that I accumalated.
check out the CNI 405nM Laser Diode, and go to the website to find a local supplier.
On the subject of lens collimating a possible solution would be to use a optic fiber from the laser to the tool head




RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-09-20 by Tony Smith

Both Cornelius & myself have what’s known as the $400-ish ‘eBay 40W laser’: https://www.google.com.au/search?q="ebay+40w+laser"&tbm=isch that have a bed size of roughly an A4 piece of paper, aka the 3020 laser (3020 = 30cm x 20cm).

 

I got my first one about 5 years ago, there’s plenty of info on the ‘net about these now.

 

I’ve also got the next size up which is the 50W version with a 700x500mm bed.

 

Both are CO2 lasers that output infrared light, these will cut organics (wood, plastic etc) but not metal.  They operate at the wrong frequency to cut metal, you need what’s called a YAG laser that has a shorter wavelength (still IR).

 

That’s why they’ll burn the paint, but not the copper.  One of my machine actually has mirrors made from copper in it, copper is very good at reflecting IR.

 

As mentioned depending on how much power you output, the paint will either vaporise exposing the metal underneath, or burn leaving a black mark on the metal, as per these links: currency: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.50.28.jpg, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.53.59.jpg, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31090134/Laser/2016-02-04%2008.51.42.jpg.

 

I did do some business card holders where I left them painted black and vaporised the paint, so shiny lettering on a black background, but I never took any photos of those.  That’s what you’d do for PCBs.

 

I doesn’t have to paint, lots of stuff will work but paint is cheap and easily available.

 

I don’t have any experience with UV or visible light laser diodes in the 2W range you often see people playing with.

 

Tony

 

 

 

when you say "burn it off with a laser'  what laser are you using?

maybe a cnc machine?

dave

 

On 9/19/2016 10:59 AM, 'Tony Smith' ajsmith1968@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:

 

You don’t need high temp paint, I think anything will work.  I recall reading a recommendation to use water-based polyurethane (clear top coat) as it apparently burns off without leaving a residue.  I’ll give that a try one of these days.

 

There’s no problem repainting the board after etching and using that as a solder mask, all depends in how enthusiastic you want to be.  You’d need to prepare another image so the laser can clear the pads.

 

One page (or maybe Youtube video) that I can’t find did talk about using the laser to drill the holes after etching.  The conclusion was that it wasn’t worth the effort as the holes were of poor quality.  Pretty sure that was in FR4.  And of course that’s another image you’ll need to prepare.

 

Surface mount means you don’t need many holes anyway, but a solder mask would still be handy.  You could burn the component layout into it as well.

 

Might need to try this one of these days.

 

Tony

 

 

 

From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:09 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?



Hang on... I don't think everyone understand the idea here, which is already working just fine for at least some members (who I would REALLY love to see pictures from, BTW Tony).

 

1. Clean PCB blank and spray with high temp black / dark paint.

2. Laser at low power / high speed to burn away paint around traces (isolation) or raster for removal of larger areas.

3. Etch.

4. Leave the paint / melt in place over the traces (as soldermask) and Laser again at higher power, to burn away paint / melt from solder pads. In fact... spray the etched board again with green paint (or whatever color) and laser that clear off the pads. 

5. If you etched out a hole in the center of each through hole pad, and have a high enough power laser, you might be able to laser cut your holes through the FR4. 

 

Now you have a nicely protected PCB. Don't tell me the paint can't manage the solder heat because there are very high temp paints. 

 

This REALLY sounds to me like something worth trying. 

 









Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Cermark Laser marking for PCB resist?

2016-10-04 by Steve Wiseman



On 18 September 2016 at 04:24, alienrelics@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Yikes! Melted glass. That might count it out as an etch resist, simply because I have no idea how you'd remove it without mechanically scraping it off.

A bit late here but..
Yes, if it's fused, it's a nightmare to remove. I use the stuff to mark text onto aluminium cases. 
I use a 25W CO2 (Synrad Fenix Flyer), and have to get the focus quite right or it doesn't fuse, so I suspect that lower powers aren't going to work. 
It's harder (when fused) than aluminium, so it doesn't scrub off with stainless scrubbies (without leaving a raised aluminium copy of the text, if you scrub long enough). On copper, I suspect it'll be worse. 

It's great, if expensive, for its intended purpose. I'll try some on copper next time I do a run, and see if it solders through, just in case.  Not sure it's gapless, though. 
(The conversation about paint, though - interesting!)

Steve