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help request: disappointing etch resist development

help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by mattmoose1969@...

Hi all,

I am experiencing a problem when developing a UV-sensitive PCB type AA16, made by CIF, available from RS Components as stock number 159-6057.

I mentioned this in my last post to this group, and have now made an exposure test from 1-10mins just to see more what's going on.

My problem is that it is difficult to remove all of the exposed etch resist layer reliably, at almost every exposure level. I'm using Sodium Metasilicate universal developer, RS stock number 690-849, in a hand-agitated plastic developing tray.

After removing the board's protective film, I notice there is a pattern like wood grain which is visible in the unexposed etch resist layer, which runs across the width of the board.

This pattern remains visible throughout the development, even after 10 minutes of constant agitation at 20'C.

I agitate the board as much as possible while developing it, then rinse the board thoroughly.

Here's a flatbed scan of the developed, but un-etched, boards:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/lr6uay (sorry, scan cropped the bottom board a bit)


And after etching:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/6xi3gw

 

I wonder whether there is a compatibility issue between the etch resist layer and my choice of developer? Do manufacturers tend to specify a preferred type of developer that works best with their boards?

When I etch the developed board, the remaining grain pattern creates lots of fine hair-like copper traces which interfere with the design.

So, I would be very grateful for any and all suggestions, comments and questions.

Kind regards,
Matt

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by Leon Heller

On 29/08/2014 12:25, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am experiencing a problem when developing a UV-sensitive PCB type
> AA16, made by CIF, available from RS Components as stock number 159-6057.
>
> I mentioned this in my last post to this group, and have now made an
> exposure test from 1-10mins just to see more what's going on.
>
> My problem is that it is difficult to remove all of the exposed etch
> resist layer reliably, at almost every exposure level. I'm using Sodium
> Metasilicate universal developer, RS stock number 690-849, in a
> hand-agitated plastic developing tray.

How are you making the transparency? Does it have enough contrast?

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by Leon Heller

On 29/08/2014 12:49, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> Hi Leon,
>
> I'm laser printing the artwork onto 90gsm tracing paper, as recommended
> by someone who has done a lot more of this than I have.


It might not have enough contrast, try using LaserStar film. I think
it's available from RS, or you can get it from Mega Electronics (UK).

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by James

I put your images on imgur, that sendspace tried to download some exe to me the first time, dodgy as..

  http://imgur.com/0kyPB0W

what weight of tracing paper are you using?  It looks almost like it's crinkling or non-uniformity in the paper coming through.  The heaver weight, the more "stable", I use 110gsm (but I also use Dry Film resist, not pre-coated boards).

Also how are you clamping the artwork to the board, and what sort of light-source are you using.





On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Leon Heller leon355@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

On 29/08/2014 12:49, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> Hi Leon,
>
> I'm laser printing the artwork onto 90gsm tracing paper, as recommended
> by someone who has done a lot more of this than I have.

It might not have enough contrast, try using LaserStar film. I think
it's available from RS, or you can get it from Mega Electronics (UK).


Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by mattmoose1969@...

Hi, sorry you downloaded an .exe somehow, the Sendspace link usually just works. Thanks for copying the image files elsewhere, very kind.

The paper is 90gsm as I said, and no it's not crinkling. The crinkly pattern is absolutely a function of how the etch resist is deposited. The issure really seems to be etch resist's own non-uniformity. I tried transparent film before, and the same effect results. The patterning does not tie up with either type of transparent material that I've used.

For now, I'm tightly taping the transparency to the board, with the artwork side against the photo resist side to avoid diffusion. I'm using a Mega LV202E 2-lamp exposure box, I'm pre-heating the lamps for 5 mins before use, and the foam-lined lid squashes the job flat against the glass.

Thanks,
Matt

>>>>>>>>

---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <bitsyboffin@...> wrote :

I put your images on imgur, that sendspace tried to download some exe to me the first time, dodgy as..

  http://imgur.com/0kyPB0W

what weight of tracing paper are you using?  It looks almost like it's crinkling or non-uniformity in the paper coming through.  The heaver weight, the more "stable", I use 110gsm (but I also use Dry Film resist, not pre-coated boards).

Also how are you clamping the artwork to the board, and what sort of light-source are you using.


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by mattmoose1969@...

Hi Leon,

I'm using the developer at around 21'C, and I believe that its working temperature needs to be 20-25'C.

Thanks,
Matt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <leon355@...> wrote :

On 29/08/2014 12:25, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am experiencing a problem when developing a UV-sensitive PCB type
> AA16, made by CIF, available from RS Components as stock number 159-6057.

I should have added - how hot is the solution?

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by mattmoose1969@...

I'll order some LsaerStar film and see if anything improves!

Thanks,
Matt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <leon355@...> wrote :

On 29/08/2014 12:49, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:
> Hi Leon,
>
> I'm laser printing the artwork onto 90gsm tracing paper, as recommended
> by someone who has done a lot more of this than I have.


It might not have enough contrast, try using LaserStar film. I think
it's available from RS, or you can get it from Mega Electronics (UK).

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-08-29 by Boman33

At the edge of your board outside the final area place a small piece of aluminum foil.  That way you have a spot without any exposure at all.  Similarly cut a small notch in your artwork or have one side smaller than the PCB.  That way you get an area with 100% exposure without any loss through the  artwork.  Those two areas will work as a process reference and they have 100% contrast.  If they are good, then the issues are with the artwork.

Bertho

 

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On 29/08/2014 12:49, mattmoose1969@... [Homebrew_PCBs] wrote:

> Hi Leon,
>
> I'm laser printing the artwork onto 90gsm tracing paper, as recommended
> by someone who has done a lot more of this than I have.

It might not have enough contrast, try using LaserStar film. I think
it's available from RS, or you can get it from Mega Electronics (UK).

Leon
--
Leon Heller

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] help request: disappointing etch resist development

2014-09-01 by mattmoose1969@...

Hi Bertho,

Thanks for your suggestion, that makes total sense. I'll give it a go next.

Regards
Matt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <boman33@...> wrote :

At the edge of your board outside the final area place a small piece of aluminum foil.  That way you have a spot without any exposure at all.  Similarly cut a small notch in your artwork or have one side smaller than the PCB.  That way you get an area with 100% exposure without any loss through the  artwork.  Those two areas will work as a process reference and they have 100% contrast.  If they are good, then the issues are with the artwork.

Bertho