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Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by lilacbarn@...

For those who use the Proxxon Rotary tools for drilling PCBs.


I am going to purchase the Proxxon 115/E to drill PCBs but do not know which drill stand to buy with it.

There are two that I can see online, the MB 140/S and the MB 200.


Has anyone got experience with either or both of these stands?

If so, which would you recommend and why?


The reason I ask is that I have been using a Dremel rotary tool with collets and carbide bits and the bits are always breaking. As a result I have used flexible HSS bits to avoid the expensive breakage of carbide but it is hard on these drill bits and can blunt them easily on one board (100 holes approx.)

I measured the runout on the Dremel and it was about 4/1000ths of an inch on the main collet holder, but on the drill shank in the collet it was a whopping 15/1000 ths!  No wonder!

Therefore I need a better tool!


Any advice would be welcome.

Geoff.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by Brett Polivka

Hi Geoff,

I have a MB 140/S that I use with a Micromot 50/EF, and it works fantastically with carbide bits. I don’t have any experience with the MB 200, so I can’t compare them.

I made a PCB drilling setup using a webcam and a custom base that bolts to the 140/S that will easily allow me to drill holes within 1mil accuracy, if not better. Between the 50/EF and the 140/S, there is so little runout that I’ve never broken a single carbide bit. I would highly recommend both of them.

If it would be helpful, I’d happily send some photos of my setup, or of the boards I’ve made with it.

Brett


On May 17, 2014, at 8:30 PM, lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


For those who use the Proxxon Rotary tools for drilling PCBs.


I am going to purchase the Proxxon 115/E to drill PCBs but do not know which drill stand to buy with it.

There are two that I can see online, the MB 140/S and the MB 200.


Has anyone got experience with either or both of these stands?

If so, which would you recommend and why?


The reason I ask is that I have been using a Dremel rotary tool with collets and carbide bits and the bits are always breaking. As a result I have used flexible HSS bits to avoid the expensive breakage of carbide but it is hard on these drill bits and can blunt them easily on one board (100 holes approx.)

I measured the runout on the Dremel and it was about 4/1000ths of an inch on the main collet holder, but on the drill shank in the collet it was a whopping 15/1000 ths!  No wonder!

Therefore I need a better tool!


Any advice would be welcome.

Geoff.



Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by Stefan Trethan

I use a homemade stand (pivoting design).
The drills break only due to operator error, runout is not a problem any more with the proxxon collets.

Actually I bought a 12V proxxon just for PCB drilling so I don't have to take the IB/E out of the stand for handheld work.
It struggles with 1/8th inch mounting holes, but the small ones are no problem.

I don't have either factory stand, but the MB 200 seems greatly superior.
The adjustable gib dovetail inspires confidence, while the 140 looks rather flimsy.
Although, apparently it can do the job (not sure if carbide drill):
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NW0XJ27_vRc>



ST

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:30 AM, lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


For those who use the Proxxon Rotary tools for drilling PCBs.


I am going to purchase the Proxxon 115/E to drill PCBs but do not know which drill stand to buy with it.

There are two that I can see online, the MB 140/S and the MB 200.


Has anyone got experience with either or both of these stands?

If so, which would you recommend and why?


The reason I ask is that I have been using a Dremel rotary tool with collets and carbide bits and the bits are always breaking. As a result I have used flexible HSS bits to avoid the expensive breakage of carbide but it is hard on these drill bits and can blunt them easily on one board (100 holes approx.)

I measured the runout on the Dremel and it was about 4/1000ths of an inch on the main collet holder, but on the drill shank in the collet it was a whopping 15/1000 ths!  No wonder!

Therefore I need a better tool!


Any advice would be welcome.

Geoff.




Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by brane2

Dne 18. 05. 2014 01:30, piše lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs]:
>
> For those who use the Proxxon Rotary tools for drilling PCBs.
>
>
> I am going to purchase the Proxxon 115/E to drill PCBs but do not know
> which drill stand to buy with it.
>
> There are two that I can see online, the MB 140/S and the MB 200.
>
I have a couple of MB140/S and they work perfect for me. I used it with
IB/E ( old model with aluminuim front), but I'm convinced it should work
nice with FBS also.

I didn't know there is a new model and I had to check photos of the MB
200/S. It seems it has more robust part for drill rotation, but I never
found good use for that anyway.

On those occasion or two that I did need it, MB 140/S was more than
adequate. 140/S is nice, smooth and really precise. All eventual
tolerances can be eliminated with assigned screws, so that, when
tightened properly, it has no discernible play.

Can't tell you anything about 200/S.




>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by Peter Johansson


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, Stefan Trethan stefan_trethan@... wrote:

> I use a homemade stand (pivoting design).
> The drills break only due to operator error, runout is not a problem any more with the proxxon collets.

What was causing the bits to break?  Were you using non-proxxon collets?

I too just built a quick and dirty stand -- mostly to see if I could get away with using my Dremel before purchasing something like the proxxon.  I found this:


and much to my amazement it really worked.  Mine is neither terribly old, nor has it seen much use, but the runnout was horrid.

Based on the poor reviews of the Dremel stand, popped over to eBay and found a used linear bearing slide buy-it-now for $7 ($13 shipped). Then I threw this together with materials from my junk pile:


It is not pretty to look at, but the action is *very* smooth and so far I have yet to break a single 0.8mm carbide bit -- the smallest of what I purchased.  It is only on the milk crate because that was the most convenient way to secure it at the proper height for working while standing up.  (Sadly the weights are only ever used to calibrate one of my projects using a load cell.)

All in all it was a $13 gamble that paid off well.  I'll be re-working it with dust collection and better lighting soon.

-p.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by kbyrne10@...

I have a different solution that has been recomended to me as professional home hobbiest. On Jameco Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor
Jameco Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor
Electronic components distributor offering semiconductors, passives, interconnects, electromechanical, power supplies, test and measurement equipment. Lowest prices guaranteed. Same-day shipping. New products added every month.
View on www.jameco.com
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 there is a pro type  tool and stand for carbide bits expecially designed for
PCB drilling. This company is good and has a good reputation with a lot of other quality parts and accessories. The whole set up is cheeper than your Proxxon 115/E  I found on E-Bay. A idea to look into for you all. Kevin

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-18 by Peter Johansson

On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Brett Polivka brett@...  wrote:

I made a PCB drilling setup using a webcam and a custom base that bolts to the 140/S that will easily allow me to drill holes within 1mil accuracy, if not better. Between the 50/EF and the 140/S, there is so little runout that I’ve never broken a single carbide bit. I would highly recommend both of them.

Thanks so much for mentioning this.  My near vision went all to heck in the past few years and I've been having some serious trouble drilling my PCBs.  I know already that this is going to be a huge help, and I'll be making my own rig before I do any more drilling.

-p.

Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by lilacbarn@...

Thanks Brett, Stefan,'brane2' and Peter for the information provided.

It looks like I shall choose the MB 140/S as others are having success with it and I only want to use it in the vertical.

That video you pointed me to Stefan was impressive in terms of speed of hole drilling, but as you say there is no indication of whether it uses a carbide drill or not  ( it was the MB140/S in the video)


Stefan, do you use collets or a chuck for your carbide drills? I note the Proxxon can take either.


It would be good to see your homemade drill press. I have made a Photo album in this group entitled "PCB Drill Presses" where I have posted some photos of the one I made for my Dremel - copied from Delorie - link below.

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg
View on www.delorie.com
Preview by Yahoo

 

If you want to share, put some pics there and let us know.

Brett, I would be interested in seeing yours too if you want to put the photos there too.

I also put a photo of the collets that came with the Dremel - they seem to be the major cause of the problems I am having. You may notice in one of the pics that there is a broken carbide drill piece lying on the table. I used the remaining shank of the drill to measure the runout.  Even with great care and slow advance, I managed to break three carbide drills in about 4 holes - the runout was so bad with the Dremel  1/8 in collet.

Do any of you think I could fix the problem by buying the Proxxon collets and putting them in a Dremel?

Do they fit?  They are steel and have 3 segments.

If the collets do fit and add no extra runout, is 4 /1000 in measured on the collet nut likely to break carbide drill bits?


I notice the Proxxon is spec'd at 3/100 mm which is just slightly more than 1/1000th in. but it does not state if that is the motor/collet shaft or the total system of motor+collet+drill bit.


Stefan, Brett, have you ever measured your runout  (at the drill shank)?


Thanks to you all for your quick and helpful responses,

Geoff.


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by KeepIt SimpleStupid

I have the Proxxon drill press with a Dremel tool mounted.  If you look really hard, you can find adapters.  I happen to have a Dremel tool and when I looked at Dremel's drill press, it was a joke.

The most annoying thing with the Proxxon is the handle for the height adjust clamp won't stay where you put it and it hits the base at low distances.    I ordered some -008 "0-rings", but I think the -106 would be better.  There's other annoying stuff too.
 
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:37 PM, "lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Thanks Brett, Stefan,'brane2' and Peter for the information provided.
It looks like I shall choose the MB 140/S as others are having success with it and I only want to use it in the vertical.
That video you pointed me to Stefan was impressive in terms of speed of hole drilling, but as you say there is no indication of whether it uses a carbide drill or not  ( it was the MB140/S in the video)

Stefan, do you use collets or a chuck for your carbide drills? I note the Proxxon can take either.

It would be good to see your homemade drill press. I have made a Photo album in this group entitled "PCB Drill Presses" where I have posted some photos of the one I made for my Dremel - copied from Delorie - link below.
http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg
http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg
View on www.delorie.com
Preview by Yahoo
 
If you want to share, put some pics there and let us know.
Brett, I would be interested in seeing yours too if you want to put the photos there too.
I also put a photo of the collets that came with the Dremel - they seem to be the major cause of the problems I am having. You may notice in one of the pics that there is a broken carbide drill piece lying on the table. I used the remaining shank of the drill to measure the runout.  Even with great care and slow advance, I managed to break three carbide drills in about 4 holes - the runout was so bad with the Dremel  1/8 in collet.
Do any of you think I could fix the problem by buying the Proxxon collets and putting them in a Dremel?
Do they fit?  They are steel and have 3 segments.
If the collets do fit and add no extra runout, is 4 /1000 in measured on the collet nut likely to break carbide drill bits?

I notice the Proxxon is spec'd at 3/100 mm which is just slightly more than 1/1000th in. but it does not state if that is the motor/collet shaft or the total system of motor+collet+drill bit.

Stefan, Brett, have you ever measured your runout  (at the drill shank)?

Thanks to you all for your quick and helpful responses,
Geoff.



Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by Stefan Trethan

Only ever use collets for precision work.

The proxxon collets do not fit the dremel.

My homemade press is similar, but much wider for side stability and using thrust ball bearings to pivot the arm.

I've never measured the runout on the proxxon and can't find my dial indicator for some weeks now.
Need to get a new one.

The runout on the collet nut is useless, you would have to measure the bore with a lever type indicator.

I believe the dremel shaft may well be good enough, but the collets are really poor compared to the proxxon ones.

The dremel design has some advantages too, it is better for high side loads since the shaft is one piece while the proxxon is split at the motor.

ST


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:37 AM, lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks Brett, Stefan,'brane2' and Peter for the information provided.

It looks like I shall choose the MB 140/S as others are having success with it and I only want to use it in the vertical.

That video you pointed me to Stefan was impressive in terms of speed of hole drilling, but as you say there is no indication of whether it uses a carbide drill or not  ( it was the MB140/S in the video)


Stefan, do you use collets or a chuck for your carbide drills? I note the Proxxon can take either.


It would be good to see your homemade drill press. I have made a Photo album in this group entitled "PCB Drill Presses" where I have posted some photos of the one I made for my Dremel - copied from Delorie - link below.

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg

 

If you want to share, put some pics there and let us know.

Brett, I would be interested in seeing yours too if you want to put the photos there too.

I also put a photo of the collets that came with the Dremel - they seem to be the major cause of the problems I am having. You may notice in one of the pics that there is a broken carbide drill piece lying on the table. I used the remaining shank of the drill to measure the runout.  Even with great care and slow advance, I managed to break three carbide drills in about 4 holes - the runout was so bad with the Dremel  1/8 in collet.

Do any of you think I could fix the problem by buying the Proxxon collets and putting them in a Dremel?

Do they fit?  They are steel and have 3 segments.

If the collets do fit and add no extra runout, is 4 /1000 in measured on the collet nut likely to break carbide drill bits?


I notice the Proxxon is spec'd at 3/100 mm which is just slightly more than 1/1000th in. but it does not state if that is the motor/collet shaft or the total system of motor+collet+drill bit.


Stefan, Brett, have you ever measured your runout  (at the drill shank)?


Thanks to you all for your quick and helpful responses,

Geoff.





Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by Kevin Byrne

I have a catalog from the company. Page # 146, part # 26702 & part # 26711. One is drill, the other is stand. Prices are $37.95 Drill & $25.95 stand. That will be US dollars plus shipping. Contact Phone 1-800-831-4242. E-mail Jameco Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor Kevin
Jameco Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor
Electronic components distributor offering semiconductors, passives, interconnects, electromechanical, power supplies, test and measurement equipment. Lowest prices guaranteed. Same-day shipping. New products added every month.
View on www.Jameco.com.
Preview by Yahoo
 
On Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:36 PM, "Peter Johansson rockets4kids@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM, kbyrne10@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> I have a different solution that has been recomended to me as professional home hobbiest. On Jameco Electronics - Electronic Components Distributor

Do you have a product number or a direct link to the product?

-p.



Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by lilacbarn@...

Thanks Kiss,

I saw that note about the height adjust handle on a U-Tube video comparing the Dremel stand versus the Proxxon MB140/S. Elastic bands or o-rings sounds like a solution.


I would be interested to hear your "other annoying stuff".


Sorry what's the "-106" to which you refer.


Geoff.

Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by lilacbarn@...

Kevin, thanks for the details from the Jameco distributor.

Those prices sound "too good to be true"!

or is it a case of "you get what you pay for"?


The spec sheet for the mini drill indicates that is of far east origin and has no detail on mechanical specs.

Also, the collets on the spec sheet look like the same 4 segment Al. type as the Dremel so I doubt they could meet any runout targets needed for carbide drill bits. Again no info.

The spec sheet for the stand/press is from the same company (Goldsun Electronics), has even less information than the mini drill and looks very makeshift.

As an engineer, I would not touch these products with a bargepole!


Geoff

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by Stefan Trethan

That toggle thing really is a fail.
Just replace it with a socket head bolt (yes it will be metric), or at least cut the rod off and take it out.

Yes the rubber band will sort it out, but I would just hate looking at it all the time.

If you need to mount your drill without a tool just use a star shape or tri-lobe knob.
I also really like those clamp bolts which can be locked in any orientation (like, up for heaven's sake!) with a spring loaded clutch:
<http://1.2.3.11/bmi/pregler-kg.de/images/categories/kipp/KI06460.jpg>


ST


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:07 PM, lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks Kiss,

I saw that note about the height adjust handle on a U-Tube video comparing the Dremel stand versus the Proxxon MB140/S. Elastic bands or o-rings sounds like a solution.


I would be interested to hear your "other annoying stuff".


Sorry what's the "-106" to which you refer.


Geoff.


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by DJ Delorie

"lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> It would be good to see your homemade drill press. I have made a Photo
> album in this group entitled "PCB Drill Presses" where I have posted
> some photos of the one I made for my Dremel - copied from Delorie -
> link below.
>
> http://www.delorie.com/pcb/dremel-stand/img_1201.jpg

I'm still kinda amazed how well that drill stand works, too.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by Peter Johansson




On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM, lilacbarn@... wrote:

> Kevin, thanks for the details from the Jameco distributor.
>
> Those prices sound "too good to be true"!
>
> or is it a case of "you get what you pay for"?
>
>
> The spec sheet for the mini drill indicates that is of far east origin and has no detail on mechanical specs.
>
> Also, the collets on the spec sheet look like the same 4 segment Al. type as the Dremel so I doubt they could meet any runout targets needed for carbide drill bits. Again no info.
>
> The spec sheet for the stand/press is from the same company (Goldsun Electronics), has even less information than the mini drill and looks very makeshift.
>
> As an engineer, I would not touch these products with a bargepole!

I wonder the exact same things myself.  I have seen plenty of pictures of drills in this style, but never any reviews of their performance.

FWIW, I've seen used Proxxon gear on the Amazon store for just a few dollars more and they even have free shipping.  They might actually come out cheaper to your door and are a known quality product.  Had I known this before I went down the road of trying use my Dremel, I think I would have gone that route in a heartbeat.

-p.

Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-19 by lilacbarn@...

The drill stand works really well. 

I just put a few blocks of wood/shims under the PCB or workpiece to bring it up to within a few mm from the bit then push down gently on the top cantilever (not the bottom or the Dremel pops out of the top)

It is just that the Dremel and its collets are very inaccurate for this type of work. Probably great for hand held grinding and the like.


Well done DJ!  Thanks for your great website!

Geoff.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by DJ Delorie

"lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
writes:
> It is just that the Dremel and its collets are very inaccurate for
> this type of work. Probably great for hand held grinding and the like.

Yeah, common complaint. For my CNC machine I went with an air
micro-die-grinder instead, much less runout.
http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2604.html

But even with the dremel's runout, the only times I broke drill bits was
when I dropped them or did something stupid with them. I never broke
one by drilling, although getting the hole in the right spot was
sometimes tricky, even with drill helpers.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by Kevin Byrne

Thank you Geoff. I am not a pro but I know that company as good to deal with.
Specs like you state I do not know. I will look into this further as I need a good set up for home hobby type work only. Kevin
On Monday, May 19, 2014 11:24 AM, "lilacbarn@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Kevin, thanks for the details from the Jameco distributor.
Those prices sound "too good to be true"!
or is it a case of "you get what you pay for"?

The spec sheet for the mini drill indicates that is of far east origin and has no detail on mechanical specs.
Also, the collets on the spec sheet look like the same 4 segment Al. type as the Dremel so I doubt they could meet any runout targets needed for carbide drill bits. Again no info.
The spec sheet for the stand/press is from the same company (Goldsun Electronics), has even less information than the mini drill and looks very makeshift.
As an engineer, I would not touch these products with a bargepole!

Geoff


Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by wb8nbs@...

The newer (meaning less than 40 years old) Dremel drill press stands are pretty sloppy. I would avoid the 210 and newer. I have one that works well, a model 225, photo in the album "My drill presses". Vintage is unknown but it is fitted for 260, 270 or 280 models only. I had a 280 in it but found excessive runout in the tool bearings and went with a 270. Odd because the 280 was supposed to have better bearings.  Runout itself will not break the drill bit (will make a larger hole though) but slop in the press mounting combined with runout will allow the tool to move and break the bit.

The other press in album photos is a watchmakers tool I got at a flea market. It's pedigree is unknown but has very little runout.  Much slower speed than a Dremel of course. I did break a drill bit with it while drilling Abe Lincoln's eye out of a new penny. The bit snagged and broke when it exited the bottom side.  These are genericlly known as "sensitive drill press" and you can set up an ebay watch for that phrase.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by KeepIt SimpleStupid

Lots of reviews are on Amazon: Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Proxxon 28606 MICROMOT Drill Stand MB 140/ S including mine on November 10, 2013

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So,the guys in the hardware store will look at you funny when you ask for ID, OD, and CS,  The Industrial supply place will probably end up charging you more because you calling it by the consumer name.



Thanks Kiss,
I saw that note about the height adjust handle on a U-Tube video comparing the Dremel stand versus the Proxxon MB140/S. Elastic bands or o-rings sounds like a solution.

I would be interested to hear your "other annoying stuff".

Sorry what's the "-106" to which you refer.

Geoff.
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Thanks Kiss,
I saw that note about the height adjust handle on a U-Tube video comparing the Dremel stand versus the Proxxon MB140/S. Elastic bands or o-rings sounds like a solution.

I would be interested to hear your "other annoying stuff".

Sorry what's the "-106" to which you refer.

Geoff.
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:35 AM, "wb8nbs@... [Homebrew_PCBs]" <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
The newer (meaning less than 40 years old) Dremel drill press stands are pretty sloppy. I would avoid the 210 and newer. I have one that works well, a model 225, photo in the album "My drill presses". Vintage is unknown but it is fitted for 260, 270 or 280 models only. I had a 280 in it but found excessive runout in the tool bearings and went with a 270. Odd because the 280 was supposed to have better bearings.  Runout itself will not break the drill bit (will make a larger hole though) but slop in the press mounting combined with runout will allow the tool to move and break the bit.

The other press in album photos is a watchmakers tool I got at a flea market. It's pedigree is unknown but has very little runout.  Much slower speed than a Dremel of course. I did break a drill bit with it while drilling Abe Lincoln's eye out of a new penny. The bit snagged and broke when it exited the bottom side.  These are genericlly known as "sensitive drill press" and you can set up an ebay watch for that phrase.


Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by alienrelics@...

I think you just gave us an address on your network.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <stefan_trethan@...> wrote :

That toggle thing really is a fail.
Just replace it with a socket head bolt (yes it will be metric), or at least cut the rod off and take it out.

Yes the rubber band will sort it out, but I would just hate looking at it all the time.

If you need to mount your drill without a tool just use a star shape or tri-lobe knob.
I also really like those clamp bolts which can be locked in any orientation (like, up for heaven's sake!) with a spring loaded clutch:
<http://1.2.3.11/bmi/pregler-kg.de/images/categories/kipp/KI06460.jpg>


ST

Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by lilacbarn@...

Thanks to all on this thread/conversation/topic for their help and pointers.


Drill, press and collets all now on order.  I expect better than my homemade press and Dremel - Let's see!


Geoff.

Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by arvidj@...

On a whim I bought the Jameco drill press frame but did not buy the motor. After putting it together I think it would have the same inability to provide support for the associated motor as the Dremel has inability to provide support for the Dremel. And yes, I do have the Dremel stand also.

In short, a classic FAIL in my book despite the nice Jameco video that would suggest otherwise.

Arvid

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-20 by Stefan Trethan

No, some fool in germany who doesn't like DNS.
Just a random google photo find, just go ahead and imagine the picture if the link doesn't work for you.

ST

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:07 PM, alienrelics@... [Homebrew_PCBs] <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I think you just gave us an address on your network.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD


---In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, <stefan_trethan@...> wrote :


That toggle thing really is a fail.
Just replace it with a socket head bolt (yes it will be metric), or at least cut the rod off and take it out.

Yes the rubber band will sort it out, but I would just hate looking at it all the time.

If you need to mount your drill without a tool just use a star shape or tri-lobe knob.
I also really like those clamp bolts which can be locked in any orientation (like, up for heaven's sake!) with a spring loaded clutch:
<http://1.2.3.11/bmi/pregler-kg.de/images/categories/kipp/KI06460.jpg>


ST




Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-21 by lilacbarn@...

Thanks Kiss (R..).

I have now read your comments (and the others) on "other annoying stuff" at Amazon.com.  Interesting - wish I had searched harder!

Some will not affect me the way I want to use the press but I note some others that may do - or could do as I learn to use it for more things.

Interestingly, none of the comments show on the Amazon.CA site where I was searching. I had to "pretend" to be an American to see them. They do not seem to amalgamate the comments from around the world about a particular product.

Prices are very different on that side of the border!


Thanks again for your in-depth review and pointers and the sharing of your expertise.


Geoff.


Re: Which Drill stand for Proxxon FBS 115/E?

2014-05-21 by wb8nbs@...

The pulleys are steel. Surplus and cheap.  I had that small Bodine motor and just had to figure out how to belt it up to the drill press.  The idlers are angled just enough to account for the difference in diameter between the motor pulley and the press pulley. Went through a few sheets of graph paper figuring that out. I have the original round leather belt glued and working now, but in the photo its using a length of neoprene fish tank air hose which worked well.