Homebrew_PCBs

Hi to all.

I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but never actually got the time to try it.

Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing ( http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt ( http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )

It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for signal protocol driving the head.

So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.

Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?

I've seen a lot of "technical" articles like that one. At first blush it
looks pretty exciting, but ends up very short on specifics. And search
though you may, you will never find any. Essentially it amounts to chumming
the water to attract web traffic. Another symptom of the sad state of the
world.
--
Phil M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "brane212" <brankob@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:49 AM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
email ?


> Hi to all.
>
> I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but
> never actually got the time to try it.
>
> Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing (
> http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and
> found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt (
> http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )
>
> It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for
> signal protocol driving the head.
>
> So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.
>
> Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Well then, it's time to finally open a printer or two and hang a scope
on the printhead ;o)

I believe you're mistaken about Volkan - he is not smoke and mirrors
and I'm pretty certain he did exactly what he said he did.
Unfortunately I do not know his email.

Mark


At 01:46 PM 7/18/2013, you wrote:

>I've seen a lot of "technical" articles like that one. At first blush it
>looks pretty exciting, but ends up very short on specifics. And search
>though you may, you will never find any. Essentially it amounts to chumming
>the water to attract web traffic. Another symptom of the sad state of the
>world.
>--
>Phil M.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "brane212" <brankob@...>
>To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:49 AM
>Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
>email ?
>
>
> > Hi to all.
> >
> > I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but
> > never actually got the time to try it.
> >
> > Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and
> > found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )
> >
> > It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for
> > signal protocol driving the head.
> >
> > So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.
> >
> > Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> > Photos:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I second Mark Lerman's comment!

There was a lot of activity and interaction with Volkan at that time. I see
almost 400 of his emails.



His email address used to be Volkan Sahin v_sahin@...



Bertho



From: Mark Lerman Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 17:07



I believe you're mistaken about Volkan - he is not smoke and mirrors
and I'm pretty certain he did exactly what he said he did.
Unfortunately I do not know his email.

Mark

At 01:46 PM 7/18/2013, you wrote:

>I've seen a lot of "technical" articles like that one. At first blush it
>looks pretty exciting, but ends up very short on specifics. And search
>though you may, you will never find any. Essentially it amounts to chumming
>the water to attract web traffic. Another symptom of the sad state of the
>world.
>--
>Phil M.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "brane212" <brankob@... <mailto:brankob%40s5tehnika.net> >
>To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>
>
>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:49 AM
>Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
>email ?
>
>
> > Hi to all.
> >
> > I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but
> > never actually got the time to try it.
> >
> > Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and
> > found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )
> >
> > It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for
> > signal protocol driving the head.
> >
> > So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.
> >
> > Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> > Photos:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I didn't say he didn't do it. I said he's not sharing it in that article,
which essentially says only that he did it, not really how. In other words,
if he is sharing his knowledge, it's not in that article. Which begs the
question: why write the article? Unless he shares the details there is no
reason any of us should care. It can serve no purpose but to attract web
traffic, or maybe add weight to a resume'. Maybe you got all inspired to go
out and duplicate his efforts on your own, but I didn't.
--
Phil M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lerman" <mlerman@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
email ?


>I believe you're mistaken about Volkan - he is not smoke and mirrors
> and I'm pretty certain he did exactly what he said he did.
> Unfortunately I do not know his email.
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 01:46 PM 7/18/2013, you wrote:
>>I've seen a lot of "technical" articles like that one. At first blush it
>>looks pretty exciting, but ends up very short on specifics. And search
>>though you may, you will never find any. Essentially it amounts to
>>chumming
>>the water to attract web traffic. Another symptom of the sad state of the
>>world.
>>--
>>Phil M.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "brane212" <brankob@...>
>>To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:49 AM
>>Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
>>email ?
>>
>>
>> > Hi to all.
>> >
>> > I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but
>> > never actually got the time to try it.
>> >
>> > Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing (
>> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and
>> > found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt (
>> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )
>> >
>> > It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for
>> > signal protocol driving the head.
>> >
>> > So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.
>> >
>> > Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
>> > Photos:
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------
>>
>>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
>>Photos:
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

> reason any of us should care. It can serve no purpose but to attract web
> traffic, or maybe add weight to a resume'.

Christ, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

Massmind isn't Volkan's website; there's no links back to his website or
resume or Facebook page; and the article is incomplete because, like most
people, he got tired of writing about some obscure protocol exactly one
other person in the world cares about.

But yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Blame Obama or Bush or Nixon or whomever
was Prez when he wrote that.

Tony

Volkan posted some info in the files area here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/files/Epson_inkjet_Volkan/

And in the Inkjet PCB Construction group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Inkjet_PCB_Construction/files/Flat_bed_inkjet/

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, brane2 <brankob@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think it would be so hard to do it.
>
> Basic principle should be discernible from available data.Remaining
> holes can be filled with data acquired during operation of the printer.
>

Well, you're sort of pissing right now. My comments are not a reflection on
Volkan, but probably on Massmind. Massmind is not in the technology business
as the casual observer might assume, but in the advertising business. Web
advertisers need traffic. To get traffic they need content. One of the ways
they get it is to operate discussion groups like this one. Another way is to
steal content from people who create actual value, such as Volkan. But
because advertisers often know nothing about the content they hype, they
don't know if an article is finished or complete, valuable or hogwash. So
you end up with crap like we saw at the end of that link. Google makes
$billions stealing copyrighted text from printed books, but if you copy a
DVD you risk the FBI or (get this, better yet...) Homeland Security (WTF?!?)
busting down your door and fining you up to $250K or tossing your keester in
jail. Read the warnings. But maybe you're right. If only I spent more time
playing video games, watching cable TV and texting on my phone, then I might
be truly happy. Yes, everything is just swell. Now where's that KoolAid?
--
Phil M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
email ?


>> reason any of us should care. It can serve no purpose but to attract web
>> traffic, or maybe add weight to a resume'.
>
>
> Christ, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
>
> Massmind isn't Volkan's website; there's no links back to his website or
> resume or Facebook page; and the article is incomplete because, like most
> people, he got tired of writing about some obscure protocol exactly one
> other person in the world cares about.
>
> But yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Blame Obama or Bush or Nixon or whomever
> was Prez when he wrote that.
>
> Tony
>
>

Oh, for fucks sake.

Massmind.org is run by James Newton, who's also member of this list. He can
chime in to tell you exactly how much money he makes from that site.

Here's a hint:

C2013 These pages are served without commercial sponsorship. (No popup ads,
etc...).Bandwidth abuse increases hosting cost forcing sponsorship or
shutdown. This server aggressively defends against automated copying for any
reason including offline viewing, duplication, etc...

That's on the bottom of every friggin' page.

It's essentially a site where he dumps crap he finds interesting, and
welcomes others to dump their interesting crap there as well.

He also runs piclist.com as well, same idea.

Tony

> Well, you're sort of pissing right now. My comments are not a reflection

on

> Volkan, but probably on Massmind. Massmind is not in the technology
> business as the casual observer might assume, but in the advertising
> business. Web advertisers need traffic. To get traffic they need content.

One

> of the ways they get it is to operate discussion groups like this one.

Another

> way is to steal content from people who create actual value, such as

Volkan.

> But because advertisers often know nothing about the content they hype,
> they don't know if an article is finished or complete, valuable or

hogwash. So

> you end up with crap like we saw at the end of that link. Google makes
> $billions stealing copyrighted text from printed books, but if you copy a

DVD

> you risk the FBI or (get this, better yet...) Homeland Security (WTF?!?)

busting

> down your door and fining you up to $250K or tossing your keester in jail.
> Read the warnings. But maybe you're right. If only I spent more time

playing

> video games, watching cable TV and texting on my phone, then I might be
> truly happy. Yes, everything is just swell. Now where's that KoolAid?
> --
> Phil M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan
> sahib's email ?
>
>
> >> reason any of us should care. It can serve no purpose but to attract
> >> web traffic, or maybe add weight to a resume'.
> >
> >
> > Christ, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
> >
> > Massmind isn't Volkan's website; there's no links back to his website
> > or resume or Facebook page; and the article is incomplete because,
> > like most people, he got tired of writing about some obscure protocol
> > exactly one other person in the world cares about.
> >
> > But yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Blame Obama or Bush or Nixon or
> > whomever was Prez when he wrote that.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and

Photos:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I don't think it would be so hard to do it.

Basic principle should be discernible from available data.Remaining
holes can be filled with data acquired during operation of the printer.

OMG!!!

I almost forgot- we're all a bunch of altruists here in the ether.
Grovel, grovel, etc.

Yahoo just made it more difficult again to log in.
Being as this was just barely worth the effort anyway...
No point responding unless you're into mental masturbation.
</yahoo>

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, for fucks sake.
>
> Massmind.org is run by James Newton, who's also member of this list. He can
> chime in to tell you exactly how much money he makes from that site.
>
> Here's a hint:
>
> C2013 These pages are served without commercial sponsorship. (No popup ads,
> etc...).Bandwidth abuse increases hosting cost forcing sponsorship or
> shutdown. This server aggressively defends against automated copying for any
> reason including offline viewing, duplication, etc...
>
> That's on the bottom of every friggin' page.
>
> It's essentially a site where he dumps crap he finds interesting, and
> welcomes others to dump their interesting crap there as well.
>
> He also runs piclist.com as well, same idea.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> > Well, you're sort of pissing right now. My comments are not a reflection
> on
> > Volkan, but probably on Massmind. Massmind is not in the technology
> > business as the casual observer might assume, but in the advertising
> > business. Web advertisers need traffic. To get traffic they need content.
> One
> > of the ways they get it is to operate discussion groups like this one.
> Another
> > way is to steal content from people who create actual value, such as
> Volkan.
> > But because advertisers often know nothing about the content they hype,
> > they don't know if an article is finished or complete, valuable or
> hogwash. So
> > you end up with crap like we saw at the end of that link. Google makes
> > $billions stealing copyrighted text from printed books, but if you copy a
> DVD
> > you risk the FBI or (get this, better yet...) Homeland Security (WTF?!?)
> busting
> > down your door and fining you up to $250K or tossing your keester in jail.
> > Read the warnings. But maybe you're right. If only I spent more time
> playing
> > video games, watching cable TV and texting on my phone, then I might be
> > truly happy. Yes, everything is just swell. Now where's that KoolAid?
> > --
> > Phil M.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Smith" <ajsmith1968@...>
> > To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:59 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan
> > sahib's email ?
> >
> >
> > >> reason any of us should care. It can serve no purpose but to attract
> > >> web traffic, or maybe add weight to a resume'.
> > >
> > >
> > > Christ, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
> > >
> > > Massmind isn't Volkan's website; there's no links back to his website
> > > or resume or Facebook page; and the article is incomplete because,
> > > like most people, he got tired of writing about some obscure protocol
> > > exactly one other person in the world cares about.
> > >
> > > But yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Blame Obama or Bush or Nixon or
> > > whomever was Prez when he wrote that.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> Photos:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

The irony of that post is overwhelming. Sarcastic comments about altruism, coming on the heals of angry blustering about how all of someone else's work should be handed over NOW or you're a jerk!

Phil removed himself just before I put him on moderated status. Or removed him. I'm not sure which I'd have done.

James Newton has collected information gleaned from these groups with my blessing and my thanks. Stuff that otherwise gets lost in the massive archive of past messages here.

For inkjet PCB resist printing, I set up a separate group because there is so much still to cover. The address is in this group's Home Page description.

Oh, and can we please not swear? This is an all-ages group. All it takes is for one or two people to complain and Yahoo can classify us as a pr0n group, a classification which is nearly impossible to have changed.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD
moderator

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "phil_mattison" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> OMG!!!
>
> I almost forgot- we're all a bunch of altruists here in the ether.
> Grovel, grovel, etc.
>
> Yahoo just made it more difficult again to log in.
> Being as this was just barely worth the effort anyway...
> No point responding unless you're into mental masturbation.
> </yahoo>
>

Hey Guys.

I understand that dear Phil has already flushed himself, so I'll address this to anyone in the group who might be wondering.

1. The ads on the site still just bairly cover my hosting colocation cost. I'm looking into going to a google compute site but I'm not sure the cost would be less and I know nada about LAMPS (always been a M$ man). The ad revenue has declined pretty steadily over the years (as Americans turn from making to buying, and "makers" buy more pre-made modules instead of actually building circuits and programming firmware themselves). If the trend continues, the site will have to move to something cheaper (read: slower, less capable) or shut down in about a year. And when I say "shut down" I mean taking it back so it's just my private dumping ground for things I think are neat. The only way out of that (that I see) is to add some content in areas that are of interest to more people. Or to add a lot of content in areas that are of interest to a few people. Or to sell more products that people like you develop and make. (I sell stepper motor drivers make by Roman in .au, Luc in .be, and I'm getting ready to release a motion controller made by Peter in .ca. Notice the lack of .us in there? What happened to .us?). Please let me know if you have ideas.

2. If I missed something in Volkans documentation, I am genuinly sorry about that. I'd LOVE it if someone would point out where the missing bit is so I can add it. But I've looked back through his posts here and I don't believe I did miss anything. There is a form on the bottom of every page where people can post a comment. So if you know something and want to share it, have at.

3. Sometimes I find it hard to see the world in a positive light, just like Phil. It's difficult to present a happy face to the world all the time. And it's easy to make negative assumptions about people. I don't blame Phil. One thing that has helped me is something my dad told me: "Never attribute to malice, that which can adequately
be explained by incompetence." ,o)

Best wishes.
James Newton (Your incompetent FAQ maintainer)

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Phil@..." <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen a lot of "technical" articles like that one. At first blush it
> looks pretty exciting, but ends up very short on specifics. And search
> though you may, you will never find any. Essentially it amounts to chumming
> the water to attract web traffic. Another symptom of the sad state of the
> world.
> --
> Phil M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brane212" <brankob@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:49 AM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's
> email ?
>
>
> > Hi to all.
> >
> > I thought about hacking the EPSON printhead protocol for long time, but
> > never actually got the time to try it.
> >
> > Just yesterday I was chekcing around news in DIY-inkjet printing (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/directinkjetresist.htm )and
> > found link to Volkan Sahin's apparently successfull attempt (
> > http://techref.massmind.org/techref/pcb/etch/custom-vs.htm )
> >
> > It was interesting read, but I couldn't undestand his explanation for
> > signal protocol driving the head.
> >
> > So I'm looking around for his email to contact him directly.
> >
> > Or maybe someone here could shed additional info on this ?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and
> > Photos:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

James, I just discover your site from this thread and is great.

now into business, I don't know if you are looking for a just webhost or a
dedicated server.

for dedicated server I could suggest LINODE, they offer virtual servers
that can upgrade (and downgrade) according your needs, and accomplish two
main keys: 99.99% uptime and enough cheap.

and if you need help with setup I know several freelance sysadmins that are
cheap too (at least at present currency change ;) )


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Hi All,

Wow what is going on..
I want to clarify a few things,

-I have no connection with Massmind but I think James did a great job and put everything in one web page. If you don't like it, you don't need to visit his web, you can find similar information here in Yahoo group.
-May be some of us will remember, I couldn't make source code public because of some IP issues. We tried to initiate an open source inkjet project but we couldn't create enough interest and it didn't go anywhere.
-I tried to share all my experimental results related to inkjet printing, laser direct imaging/printing, drum plotter, dry film in this group as much as I can. You can think that it is not complete but please keep in mind that it takes a lot of effort/time to fully document each step.To make it complete, I think, it is the responsibility of the each person in the group. How it is possible? Simple, by asking questions related to missing points.

Regards,
Volkan








________________________________
From: AlienRelics <alienrelics@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Driving EPSON printeahd drectly- volkan sahib's email ?




Volkan posted some info in the files area here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/files/Epson_inkjet_Volkan/

And in the Inkjet PCB Construction group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Inkjet_PCB_Construction/files/Flat_bed_inkjet/

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, brane2 <brankob@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think it would be so hard to do it.
>
> Basic principle should be discernible from available data.Remaining
> holes can be filled with data acquired during operation of the printer.
>




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