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[Homebrew_PCBs] A different PCB etching method proposal

[Homebrew_PCBs] A different PCB etching method proposal

2013-03-02 by earlannis

Hi All,

I'm Earl Hancock, relative newcomer to this listserve, and a hobby builder of PCB's.

Built my first board in 1954 physics class, groaned through the same process in 1962 but using ortho film for my image and sunlight to expose the sensitized silkscreen and thought this is as good as it could be. I see lots of folks building UV light boxes. You might consider free sunlight for a few minutes. It works real good on sunny days.

In the 90's we were building LF cave radios to reconcile our maps and drill holes into caves (yes, up to 600 feet deep). But in 2012 we discovered a new and wonderful way to make PCBs. Nothing we invented, but combined the work of many like-minded builders. Here is how we do it.

1) Laser toner, normal settings (Brother HL2270 DW ~$80) print your circuit onto…
2) Avery (or Oracal) white (any color works) Cast PVC (.003" vinyl on white paper) cut into 4x6" pieces. (very cheap, free). We have a friend who has a sign shop and his offal is plenty for our 4x6" needs. Goes through the printer like a charm.
3) Household iron set at highest setting.
4) FR4, 1/1, 1/16th inch, 4x6 inch boards (a buck apiece on eBay), stack the cleaned PCB, laser toner image on vinyl, a piece of clean white paper and iron for about 2 minutes.
5) Cool to the touch and peel vinyl and paper from PCB.
6) Use etchant (about 8oz) of 1 part Muriatic Acid (Home Depot ~$10/gal), 2 parts Hydrogen Peroxide (Walgreens ~$3/qt) at room temperature in a tray made of ½ of a gallon milk jug for about 3-4 minutes, depending on how many boards have been etched. Can be stored for 10-14 days. The solution remains clear but tinted green, allowing you to pull the board when unwanted copper is dissolved. Pour the waste liquid onto crushed limestone for Green and safe disposal. Use care with the acid. Protect back side of board with any spray paint.
7) Remove toner from board with most solvents, thinner, acetone etc.. You're done.

This whole process; from printer to drilling holes usually takes less than 40 minutes, is very cheap (less than $2 for a 2 sided board), very clean and produces excellent boards. No exotic tooling or ventilation, You may need to experiment with your wife's iron (pressure and timing) to achieve the toner transfer you desire (too much pressure/time may spread heavy deposits of toner causing shorts… we use the General Print setting).

We use 20 mil traces and 20 mil spacing with never a problem. If we make a mistake (or want to practice) in melting toner onto the board… wash it off and do over. Our .035 pads have holes to guide our hand held drill. Check your printer for dimensional accuracy. See photos in Earl H's album.

Others out there are doing surface mount stuff with 10 mil and getting good results.

If you want to know about the cave radios please do so off post,

Earl

Re: A different PCB etching method proposal

2013-03-03 by John

I just cannot get the nerve to run the vinyl through my HP 1102 Laser
printer. It does work well with HP Presentation paper.

John de W8CCW

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "earlannis" <earlannis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm Earl Hancock, relative newcomer to this listserve, and a hobby
builder of PCB's.
>
> Built my first board in 1954 physics class, groaned through the same
process in 1962 but using ortho film for my image and sunlight to expose
the sensitized silkscreen and thought this is as good as it could be. I
see lots of folks building UV light boxes. You might consider free
sunlight for a few minutes. It works real good on sunny days.
>
> In the 90's we were building LF cave radios to reconcile our maps and
drill holes into caves (yes, up to 600 feet deep). But in 2012 we
discovered a new and wonderful way to make PCBs. Nothing we invented,
but combined the work of many like-minded builders. Here is how we do
it.
>
> 1) Laser toner, normal settings (Brother HL2270 DW ~$80) print your
circuit onto…
> 2) Avery (or Oracal) white (any color works) Cast PVC (.003" vinyl on
white paper) cut into 4x6" pieces. (very cheap, free). We have a friend
who has a sign shop and his offal is plenty for our 4x6" needs. Goes
through the printer like a charm.
> 3) Household iron set at highest setting.
> 4) FR4, 1/1, 1/16th inch, 4x6 inch boards (a buck apiece on eBay),
stack the cleaned PCB, laser toner image on vinyl, a piece of clean
white paper and iron for about 2 minutes.
> 5) Cool to the touch and peel vinyl and paper from PCB.
> 6) Use etchant (about 8oz) of 1 part Muriatic Acid (Home Depot
~$10/gal), 2 parts Hydrogen Peroxide (Walgreens ~$3/qt) at room
temperature in a tray made of ½ of a gallon milk jug for about 3-4
minutes, depending on how many boards have been etched. Can be stored
for 10-14 days. The solution remains clear but tinted green, allowing
you to pull the board when unwanted copper is dissolved. Pour the waste
liquid onto crushed limestone for Green and safe disposal. Use care with
the acid. Protect back side of board with any spray paint.
> 7) Remove toner from board with most solvents, thinner, acetone etc..
You're done.
>
> This whole process; from printer to drilling holes usually takes less
than 40 minutes, is very cheap (less than $2 for a 2 sided board), very
clean and produces excellent boards. No exotic tooling or ventilation,
You may need to experiment with your wife's iron (pressure and timing)
to achieve the toner transfer you desire (too much pressure/time may
spread heavy deposits of toner causing shorts… we use the General
Print setting).
>
> We use 20 mil traces and 20 mil spacing with never a problem. If we
make a mistake (or want to practice) in melting toner onto the
board… wash it off and do over. Our .035 pads have holes to guide
our hand held drill. Check your printer for dimensional accuracy. See
photos in Earl H's album.
>
> Others out there are doing surface mount stuff with 10 mil and getting
good results.
>
> If you want to know about the cave radios please do so off post,
>
> Earl
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: A different PCB etching method proposal

2013-03-04 by <earlannis@...>

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:29:19 -0000
"John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
>
>
> I just cannot get the nerve to run the vinyl through my
>HP 1102 Laser
> printer. It does work well with HP Presentation paper.

John,

When I run the (Avery A9 900 SUPERCAST OPAQUE 12 YEAR CAST
FILMS) paper through the printer it comes out with crisp
toner images on the (white, colored or transparent) vinyl.
There is no discoloration, shrinkage or wrinkling on the
stuff. After ironing the toner (with the paper backing
still attached) onto the PCB there is a gold/grey stain
left on the vinyl from the copper, and I have wanted to
run it through the printer again just to see if I could
reuse it again several times. But it is so cheap (24" wide
x 30 feet @ $62)that it isn't worth the time to
experiment.

As I said earlier I get all my 4"x6" material from the
offal of a sign shop. Almost ANY sign shop would let you
have all you need. There are many brands and my friend
suggested that the peel-off shelving vinyl would probably
work. I have NOT tried that.

Anyway, it is fantastic to peel the vinyl away from the
copper and have a perfect image, ready to etch. If you
haven't tried the Muriatic acid - Hydrogen Peroxide
etchant you will be delighted. It's cheap, clear... you
can watch the copper being dissolved... at room
temperature... and no bad fumes. Reusable for awhile and
easy to dispose.

Happy PCBs,

Earl

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: A different PCB etching method proposal

2013-03-05 by Charlie Taylor

isnt this just ths toner transfer method?

maybe i am missong something but isnt this the same
method as is widley used?
On Mar 4, 2013 10:26 PM, <earlannis@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:29:19 -0000
> "John" jferrell13@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just cannot get the nerve to run the vinyl through my
> >HP 1102 Laser
> > printer. It does work well with HP Presentation paper.
>
> John,
>
> When I run the (Avery A9 900 SUPERCAST OPAQUE 12 YEAR CAST
> FILMS) paper through the printer it comes out with crisp
> toner images on the (white, colored or transparent) vinyl.
> There is no discoloration, shrinkage or wrinkling on the
> stuff. After ironing the toner (with the paper backing
> still attached) onto the PCB there is a gold/grey stain
> left on the vinyl from the copper, and I have wanted to
> run it through the printer again just to see if I could
> reuse it again several times. But it is so cheap (24" wide
> x 30 feet @ $62)that it isn't worth the time to
> experiment.
>
> As I said earlier I get all my 4"x6" material from the
> offal of a sign shop. Almost ANY sign shop would let you
> have all you need. There are many brands and my friend
> suggested that the peel-off shelving vinyl would probably
> work. I have NOT tried that.
>
> Anyway, it is fantastic to peel the vinyl away from the
> copper and have a perfect image, ready to etch. If you
> haven't tried the Muriatic acid - Hydrogen Peroxide
> etchant you will be delighted. It's cheap, clear... you
> can watch the copper being dissolved... at room
> temperature... and no bad fumes. Reusable for awhile and
> easy to dispose.
>
> Happy PCBs,
>
> Earl
>
>
>


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: A different PCB etching method proposal

2013-03-05 by Harvey White

On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 00:24:02 +0000, you wrote:

>isnt this just ths toner transfer method?

True, the difference is the transfer medium. Pulsar paper (perhaps
the standard) costs about $1.50 per 8.5 x 11 sheet. Free leavings
from a sign shop.... priceless.

If it works as well, something to consider, since all you need are
pieces somewhat larger than your board design.

Harvey

>
>maybe i am missong something but isnt this the same
>method as is widley used?
>On Mar 4, 2013 10:26 PM, <earlannis@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:29:19 -0000
>> "John" jferrell13@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I just cannot get the nerve to run the vinyl through my
>> >HP 1102 Laser
>> > printer. It does work well with HP Presentation paper.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> When I run the (Avery A9 900 SUPERCAST OPAQUE 12 YEAR CAST
>> FILMS) paper through the printer it comes out with crisp
>> toner images on the (white, colored or transparent) vinyl.
>> There is no discoloration, shrinkage or wrinkling on the
>> stuff. After ironing the toner (with the paper backing
>> still attached) onto the PCB there is a gold/grey stain
>> left on the vinyl from the copper, and I have wanted to
>> run it through the printer again just to see if I could
>> reuse it again several times. But it is so cheap (24" wide
>> x 30 feet @ $62)that it isn't worth the time to
>> experiment.
>>
>> As I said earlier I get all my 4"x6" material from the
>> offal of a sign shop. Almost ANY sign shop would let you
>> have all you need. There are many brands and my friend
>> suggested that the peel-off shelving vinyl would probably
>> work. I have NOT tried that.
>>
>> Anyway, it is fantastic to peel the vinyl away from the
>> copper and have a perfect image, ready to etch. If you
>> haven't tried the Muriatic acid - Hydrogen Peroxide
>> etchant you will be delighted. It's cheap, clear... you
>> can watch the copper being dissolved... at room
>> temperature... and no bad fumes. Reusable for awhile and
>> easy to dispose.
>>
>> Happy PCBs,
>>
>> Earl
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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