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[Homebrew_PCBs] conductive epoxy

2013-02-18 by Mark Lerman

Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
"print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
thoughts or comments?

Mark

<http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] conductive epoxy

2013-02-18 by r.d. terramir

a reprap type application maybe with a modified frostruder might be useful
for thinned out conductive epoxy like this and maybe use a pick and place
kinda thing and toaster the components on ;)
just a thought
my $.02
terramir

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Mark Lerman <mlerman@...> wrote:

>
> Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
> diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
> "print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
> epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
> development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
> Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
> information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
> thoughts or comments?
>
> Mark
>
> <
> http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm
> >
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] conductive epoxy

2013-03-03 by Mark Lerman

Final result:

After a difficult set of interactions with this definitely non
hobbyist friendly company (Master Bond), I was finally given the
price of this epoxy - $500 USD for 10 grams!! Needless to say, I'll
not be experimenting with this product. On to other things!

Mark


At 08:36 AM 2/18/2013, you wrote:

>Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
>diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
>"print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
>epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
>development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
>Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
>information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
>thoughts or comments?
>
>Mark
>
><http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] conductive epoxy

2013-03-03 by Jan Kok

Chemtronics CW2460<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CW2460/CW2460-ND/2098937>silver
epoxy is "only" $170 for 20 grams from DigiKey. It has a work life
of 60 minutes.

I've used MG Chemicals
8331-40G<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8331-40G/473-1142-ND/2805409>silver
epoxy ($97 for 40 grams or $51 for 14 grams from Mouser). It's good
stuff, but I wouldn't recommend it for this application because the work
life is much shorter.

You might be able to make your own conductive epoxy, using your choice of
epoxy (appropriate work time, probably want heat curable) and a conductive
powder, perhaps tin or carbon.

There are also conductive ink pens for about $50 a piece. Would save you
the trouble of coming up with an applicator nozzle.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Mark Lerman <mlerman@...> wrote:

>
> Final result:
>
> After a difficult set of interactions with this definitely non
> hobbyist friendly company (Master Bond), I was finally given the
> price of this epoxy - $500 USD for 10 grams!! Needless to say, I'll
> not be experimenting with this product. On to other things!
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 08:36 AM 2/18/2013, you wrote:
>
> >Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
> >diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
> >"print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
> >epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
> >development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
> >Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
> >information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
> >thoughts or comments?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> ><
> http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm
> >
>


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] conductive epoxy

2013-03-03 by Mark Lerman

The reason I liked the master Bond stuff is that it is 1 part epoxy,
unlimited working time because it heat cures at a low temperature. My
thought was to use a solder paste dispenser to lay down the tracks,
then place the parts on the uncured epoxy, then cure it to stick the parts on.

I think I'm going to make some of this conductive ink
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBlqPS8boLI>, also heat cured, and
try laying down tracks with it. I'm converting the Silhouette Cameo
vinyl cutter I bought (see Mike Sinclair's thread) to a 2 1/2 axis
cnc machine and I'll use a syringe type dispenser.

Even if this doesn't work out, I'll be able to use the cnc as a pcb drill.

Mark

At 12:30 PM 3/3/2013, you wrote:
>Chemtronics
>CW2460<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CW2460/CW2460-ND/2098937>silver
>epoxy is "only" $170 for 20 grams from DigiKey. It has a work life
>of 60 minutes.
>
>I've used MG Chemicals
>8331-40G<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8331-40G/473-1142-ND/2805409>silver
>epoxy ($97 for 40 grams or $51 for 14 grams from Mouser). It's good
>stuff, but I wouldn't recommend it for this application because the work
>life is much shorter.
>
>You might be able to make your own conductive epoxy, using your choice of
>epoxy (appropriate work time, probably want heat curable) and a conductive
>powder, perhaps tin or carbon.
>
>There are also conductive ink pens for about $50 a piece. Would save you
>the trouble of coming up with an applicator nozzle.
>
>On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Mark Lerman <mlerman@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Final result:
> >
> > After a difficult set of interactions with this definitely non
> > hobbyist friendly company (Master Bond), I was finally given the
> > price of this epoxy - $500 USD for 10 grams!! Needless to say, I'll
> > not be experimenting with this product. On to other things!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > At 08:36 AM 2/18/2013, you wrote:
> >
> > >Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
> > >diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
> > >"print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
> > >epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
> > >development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
> > >Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
> > >information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
> > >thoughts or comments?
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > ><
> >
> http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm
> > >
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>

Re: conductive epoxy

2013-03-04 by psykhon@...

To achieve enough conductivity, they use Silver primarily. Carbon based glues haves a resistance from few hundred ohms to several Kohms. Hence the price

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Jan Kok <jan.kok.5y@...> wrote:
>
> Chemtronics CW2460<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CW2460/CW2460-ND/2098937>silver
> epoxy is "only" $170 for 20 grams from DigiKey. It has a work life
> of 60 minutes.
>
> I've used MG Chemicals
> 8331-40G<http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8331-40G/473-1142-ND/2805409>silver
> epoxy ($97 for 40 grams or $51 for 14 grams from Mouser). It's good
> stuff, but I wouldn't recommend it for this application because the work
> life is much shorter.
>
> You might be able to make your own conductive epoxy, using your choice of
> epoxy (appropriate work time, probably want heat curable) and a conductive
> powder, perhaps tin or carbon.
>
> There are also conductive ink pens for about $50 a piece. Would save you
> the trouble of coming up with an applicator nozzle.
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Mark Lerman <mlerman@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Final result:
> >
> > After a difficult set of interactions with this definitely non
> > hobbyist friendly company (Master Bond), I was finally given the
> > price of this epoxy - $500 USD for 10 grams!! Needless to say, I'll
> > not be experimenting with this product. On to other things!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > At 08:36 AM 2/18/2013, you wrote:
> >
> > >Here's a link to a conductive epoxy that is one part and can be
> > >diluted with acetone. It is heat cured. So, theoretically one could
> > >"print" the circuit, stick the components on and cook it to cure the
> > >epoxy. It appears that it would work, but there would be considerable
> > >development time involved in designing the proper "applicator".
> > >Something like a solder paste applicator might do. I asked for more
> > >information, but master Bond is not really hobbyist friendly. Any
> > >thoughts or comments?
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > ><
> > http://www.masterbond.com/tds/supreme-10hts?utm_source=valentines&utm_medium=email&utm_content=pd-sup10hts&utm_campaign=vrsm
> > >
> >
>
>
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