alternative pcb !
2012-12-29 by pauldebono@rocketmail.com
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2012-12-29 by pauldebono@rocketmail.com
2012-12-29 by Harvey White
>Hi, all,CNC router with a rotating tool... (mechanical etching).
>
>Wishing you all a holy, prosperous and lots of innovations for the New Year !
>
>So far, I have seen Manhattan/Ugly style construction using a drill, Dremel cutter, superglue pads, etc.
>
>Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean islands and tracks ?
>
>Paul
2012-12-29 by r.d. terramir
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Harvey White <madyn@...>wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:31:10 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >Hi, all,
> >
> >Wishing you all a holy, prosperous and lots of innovations for the New
> Year !
> >
> >So far, I have seen Manhattan/Ugly style construction using a drill,
> Dremel cutter, superglue pads, etc.
> >
> >Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean
> islands and tracks ?
>
> CNC router with a rotating tool... (mechanical etching).
>
> Harvey
>
> >
> >Paul
>
>
>
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2012-12-30 by John
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pauldebono@..." <pawlud@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all,
>
> Wishing you all a holy, prosperous and lots of innovations for the New Year !
>
> So far, I have seen Manhattan/Ugly style construction using a drill, Dremel cutter, superglue pads, etc.
>
> Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean islands and tracks ?
>
> Paul
>
2012-12-30 by pauldebono@rocketmail.com
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, it is more ugly than Ugly Sttle, but glue the components to whatever you want and wire them up with solder thru #30 wire. It works!
> de John W8CCW
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "pauldebono@" <pawlud@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all,
> >
> > Wishing you all a holy, prosperous and lots of innovations for the New Year !
> >
> > So far, I have seen Manhattan/Ugly style construction using a drill, Dremel cutter, superglue pads, etc.
> >
> > Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean islands and tracks ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
2012-12-30 by Mitch Davis
> John,Hmm, different. Let me think outside the box...
> What I am actually looking for is a hand or power tool to scratch the surface of a copper clad board. But not a core drill, something different !
2012-12-30 by Rick Sparber
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:56 PM, pauldebono@... <pauldebono@...> wrote:
> John,
> What I am actually looking for is a hand or power tool to scratch the surface of a copper clad board. But not a core drill, something different !
Hmm, different. Let me think outside the box...
Some kind of punch? Or chisel? Something that buzzes like a tattoo needle? Something that etches with an arc? Some kind of hand tool you pull towards you that ploughs a furrow?
Mitch.
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2012-12-30 by AlienRelics
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Sparber" <rgsparber@...> wrote:
>
> Have you considered wax based rub on features? Then etch with your favorite acid.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Davis
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:04 AM
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: alternative pcb !
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:56 PM, pauldebono@... <pauldebono@...> wrote:
> > John,
> > What I am actually looking for is a hand or power tool to scratch the surface of a copper clad board. But not a core drill, something different !
>
> Hmm, different. Let me think outside the box...
>
> Some kind of punch? Or chisel? Something that buzzes like a tattoo needle? Something that etches with an arc? Some kind of hand tool you pull towards you that ploughs a furrow?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBsYahoo! Groups Links
>
2012-12-30 by Mitch Davis
> This all sounds more and more complex.Indeed. But some people are like that.
> What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or scratch-and-etch?Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
> Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
2012-12-30 by pauldebono@rocketmail.com
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
> > This all sounds more and more complex.
>
> Indeed. But some people are like that.
>
> > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or scratch-and-etch?
> > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
>
> Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
> machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
>
> Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
> you're trying to achieve :-)
>
> Mitch.
>
2012-12-30 by kc8pcj
--- In mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com, "John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, it is more ugly than Ugly Sttle, but glue the components to whatever you want and wire them up with solder thru #30 wire. It works!
> de John W8CCW
>
> --- In mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com, "pauldebono@" <pawlud@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all,
> >
> > Wishing you all a holy, prosperous and lots of innovations for the New Year !
> >
> > So far, I have seen Manhattan/Ugly style construction using a drill, Dremel cutter, superglue pads, etc.
> >
> > Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean islands and tracks ?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
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2012-12-30 by Harvey White
>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
>What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much complications ,drilling, designing etc.
>
>Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have seen them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
>
>Paul
>
>
>Probably the best that suits me is a ready made copper
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
>> > This all sounds more and more complex.
>>
>> Indeed. But some people are like that.
>>
>> > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or scratch-and-etch?
>> > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
>>
>> Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
>> machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
>>
>> Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
>> you're trying to achieve :-)
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>
2012-12-30 by Rick Sparber
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:16:03 -0000, you wrote:
>
>What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much
complications ,drilling, designing etc.
>
>Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated
anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so
they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have seen
them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around a
drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The technique was
to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them, isolate this hole with
the tool (as needed) and then bridge from island to island with the parts.
You've probably seen that one and decided it's not what you want. A similar
approach would be to use a dremel as a router, make a small template that is
large enough to manage, and has various patterns in it, then use the dremel
as a router to remove the copper around that island. Never seen anyone do
this, but it would have an advantage that you could make templates of your
favorite circuits with a sheet of scrap aluminum, isolate as needed, (no
through holes required) and have essentially the same layout each time.
you'd have to be somewhat careful with the depth setting, but a small
fixture could be made to allow you fast setup.
Harvey
2012-12-31 by r.d. terramir
>--
> What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much
> complications ,drilling, designing etc.
>
> Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated
> anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so
> they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have
> seen them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
>
> Paul
>
>
> Probably the best that suits me is a ready made copper
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
> > > This all sounds more and more complex.
> >
> > Indeed. But some people are like that.
> >
> > > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or
> scratch-and-etch?
> > > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
> >
> > Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
> > machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
> >
> > Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
> > you're trying to achieve :-)
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
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>
>
>
>
2012-12-31 by KeepIt SimpleStupid
--- On Sun, 12/30/12, pauldebono@... <pauldebono@...> wrote:
From: pauldebono@... <pauldebono@...>
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: alternative pcb !
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 4:56 AM
John,
What I am actually looking for is a hand or power tool to scratch the surface of a copper clad board. But not a core drill, something different !
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2012-12-31 by D. Daniel McGlothin
> What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without muchI think you said something earlier about Manhatten-style construction.
> complications ,drilling, designing etc.
>
> Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small
> isolated anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with
> no holes, so they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main
> concern. I have seen them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
>
2012-12-31 by Mitch Davis
>Someone just heartily recommended this device to me:
> Has anyone came across some other innovative way to cutting clean islands
> and tracks ?
2012-12-31 by Andrew Hakman
>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island aroundI've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>island to island with the parts.
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harvey White <madyn@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:16:03 -0000, you wrote:
>
> >
> >What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much
> complications ,drilling, designing etc.
> >
> >Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated
> anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so
> they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have seen
> them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
>
> There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
> a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
> technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
> isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
> island to island with the parts.
>
> You've probably seen that one and decided it's not what you want. A
> similar approach would be to use a dremel as a router, make a small
> template that is large enough to manage, and has various patterns in
> it, then use the dremel as a router to remove the copper around that
> island. Never seen anyone do this, but it would have an advantage
> that you could make templates of your favorite circuits with a sheet
> of scrap aluminum, isolate as needed, (no through holes required) and
> have essentially the same layout each time.
>
> you'd have to be somewhat careful with the depth setting, but a small
> fixture could be made to allow you fast setup.
>
> Harvey
>
>
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >Probably the best that suits me is a ready made copper
> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
> >> > This all sounds more and more complex.
> >>
> >> Indeed. But some people are like that.
> >>
> >> > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or
> scratch-and-etch?
> >> > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
> >>
> >> Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
> >> machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
> >>
> >> Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
> >> you're trying to achieve :-)
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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2012-12-31 by Norm
>> There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island aroundTry this one:
>> a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>> technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>> isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>> island to island with the parts.
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> ------------------------------------
2012-12-31 by Pict
>>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island aroundI think you are thinking of Veroboard and a tool like this to break the
>>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>>island to island with the parts.
>
>I've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
>with copper tracks that run from one edge to the other, and you separate
>the rows into smaller sections with the little hole saw, but I've never
>seen the tool. Have any info on it?
2012-12-31 by Derward Myrick
----- Original Message -----
From: pauldebono@...
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: alternative pcb !
What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much complications ,drilling, designing etc.
Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have seen them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
Paul
Probably the best that suits me is a ready made copper
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
> > This all sounds more and more complex.
>
> Indeed. But some people are like that.
>
> > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or scratch-and-etch?
> > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
>
> Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
> machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
>
> Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
> you're trying to achieve :-)
>
> Mitch.
>
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2012-12-31 by Andrew Hakman
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Pict <pict@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
>
>
> On 31/12/2012 22:56, "Andrew Hakman" <andrew.hakman@...> wrote:
>
> >>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
> >>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
> >>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
> >>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
> >>island to island with the parts.
> >
> >I've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
> >with copper tracks that run from one edge to the other, and you separate
> >the rows into smaller sections with the little hole saw, but I've never
> >seen the tool. Have any info on it?
>
> I think you are thinking of Veroboard and a tool like this to break the
> tracksŠ
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300816579317
>
> A small drill bit works almost as well. This tool does not create an
> island of copper, it clears the copper strip away around the hole and
> breaks the strip into two sections.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
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2013-01-01 by Harvey White
>>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island aroundI had one somewhere, I think that OK electronics made it. It cut an
>>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>>island to island with the parts.
>
>I've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
>with copper tracks that run from one edge to the other, and you separate
>the rows into smaller sections with the little hole saw, but I've never
>seen the tool. Have any info on it?
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harvey White <madyn@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:16:03 -0000, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >What I am after, is an innovative way to build a circuit, without much
>> complications ,drilling, designing etc.
>> >
>> >Probably my best choice is a ready made copper board with small isolated
>> anchoring islands, similar to a type of vero board, but with no holes, so
>> they are stronger ! They are very good for RF, my main concern. I have seen
>> them somewhere, so I will start hunting !!
>>
>> There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
>> a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>> technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>> isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>> island to island with the parts.
>>
>> You've probably seen that one and decided it's not what you want. A
>> similar approach would be to use a dremel as a router, make a small
>> template that is large enough to manage, and has various patterns in
>> it, then use the dremel as a router to remove the copper around that
>> island. Never seen anyone do this, but it would have an advantage
>> that you could make templates of your favorite circuits with a sheet
>> of scrap aluminum, isolate as needed, (no through holes required) and
>> have essentially the same layout each time.
>>
>> you'd have to be somewhat careful with the depth setting, but a small
>> fixture could be made to allow you fast setup.
>>
>> Harvey
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >Probably the best that suits me is a ready made copper
>> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:11 AM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:
>> >> > This all sounds more and more complex.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. But some people are like that.
>> >>
>> >> > What is wrong with toner transfer, direct inkjet resist, or
>> scratch-and-etch?
>> >> > Or isolation milling in a CNC mill?
>> >>
>> >> Nothing at all (but he didn't ask about them, he asked about hand or
>> >> machine tools for scratching the surface of a copper board).
>> >>
>> >> Paul, you'd probably get better ideas if you shared with us what
>> >> you're trying to achieve :-)
>> >>
>> >> Mitch.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
2013-01-01 by Harvey White
>On 12/31/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Hakman wrote:That would be it. The number is even familiar.
>>> There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
>>> a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>>> technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>>> isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>>> island to island with the parts.
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> ------------------------------------
>Try this one:
>
>http://www.vectorelect.com/Catpdf/New%20Page%2075-78.pdf
>
>Norm
>W6NIM
2013-01-01 by Harvey White
>Actually, the one I saw was the small hole saw version - there was anActually, there were several methods of assembly. Wirewrap used #30
>island of copper left around the hole, and then a cut out ring around that.
>I guess either method would work, but interesting to see the tool that does
>that.
>
>I've also not seen anyone mention wirewrap in this thread. That's another
>alternative - just get coperless predrilled board, and use wirewrap. I've
>actually done a couple projects with wirewrap, and I was using a completely
>manual wrapping tool (looks like a jewelr's screwdriver), and it was pretty
>good. With a wrapping gun (which i have now), it would be even faster, but
>haven't built anything complicated enough to warrant wirewrapping in a
>while now. I also have a commercial Sony radio from the 70's that's
>wirewrapped, and soldered. Guess at that time, manual labor was more
>economical than PCB manufacturing.
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Pict <pict@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/12/2012 22:56, "Andrew Hakman" <andrew.hakman@...> wrote:
>>
>> >>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
>> >>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>> >>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>> >>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>> >>island to island with the parts.
>> >
>> >I've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
>> >with copper tracks that run from one edge to the other, and you separate
>> >the rows into smaller sections with the little hole saw, but I've never
>> >seen the tool. Have any info on it?
>>
>> I think you are thinking of Veroboard and a tool like this to break the
>> tracks
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300816579317
>>
>> A small drill bit works almost as well. This tool does not create an
>> island of copper, it clears the copper strip away around the hole and
>> breaks the strip into two sections.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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2013-01-01 by KeepIt SimpleStupid
--- On Mon, 12/31/12, Andrew Hakman <andrew.hakman@...> wrote:
From: Andrew Hakman <andrew.hakman@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: alternative pcb !
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 31, 2012, 1:56 PM
>There used to be a small tool that was used to create an island around
>a drill hole. it was effectively a micro sized hole saw. The
>technique was to drill holes in copper clad where you wanted them,
>isolate this hole with the tool (as needed) and then bridge from
>island to island with the parts.
I've seen boards built with this. Usually the pre-drilled proto board, but
with copper tracks that run from one edge to the other, and you separate
the rows into smaller sections with the little hole saw, but I've never
seen the tool. Have any info on it?
<snip>
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