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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Anyone make PCB for others ?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-18 by Duane C. Johnson

herpsrwe wrote:

 > Hi All ,

 > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?

 > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
 > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
 > dozen and a half components.
 > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
 > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
 > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
 > been closed for a number of years.
 > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
 > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
 > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
 > order to enable me to construct one...
 > I would rather trust someone experienced...
 > Thanks in advance for your time,

Since you only want to make 1,
why not construct it using a plug board.

 > Bill

Duane

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Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-18 by tda7000

It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@...> wrote:
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>
> herpsrwe wrote:
> 
>  > Hi All ,
> 
>  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> 
>  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
>  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
>  > dozen and a half components.
>  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
>  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
>  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
>  > been closed for a number of years.
>  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
>  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
>  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
>  > order to enable me to construct one...
>  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
>  > Thanks in advance for your time,
> 
> Since you only want to make 1,
> why not construct it using a plug board.
> 
>  > Bill
> 
> Duane
> 
> -- 
>      Home of the $35 Solar Tracker      Receiver
>     http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm      [*]
>    Powered by             \  \     \        //|
>   Thermonuclear   Solar Energy from the Sun / |
> Energy (the SUN)           \  \     \  /  /  |
> Red Rock Energy             \  \     /   /   |
> Duane C. Johnson   Designer  \  \  /  \ /    |
> 1825 Florence St  Heliostat,Control,& Mounts |
> White Bear Lake, Minnesota    === \   / \    |
> USA      55110-3364                ===   \   |
> (651)426-4766        use Courier New Font \  |
> redrok@...     (my email: address)  \ |
> http://www.redrok.com  (Web site)          ===
>

Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-18 by herpsrwe

I apologise for my lack of electronics knowledge...
The reason I am here...

I am in the USA, in Massachusetts.

The circuit design is circa 1978. Through hole construction, I assume.
The number of layers, I have no clue, due to my lack of electronics knowledge.

Yes, I visited Express PCB ? website... I believe it was and viewed schematic creation software, PCB Design software... Prices, etc...
I had no desire to spend hundreds of hours working both programs in order to attempt to accomplish the feat. I admit, it is beyond my capabilities... I am a Metal Fabricator / Welder by trade... Not an electronics technician... I am a Communications Radio Operator at a hobbyist level... Not a radio technician. I was unable to get other's attention regarding this matter, in online radio groups...
It appears that this piece of radio equipment could be considered rare, as I was only able to find one other person with one, who is also missing the same related piece of equipment... I even had a supposed Dealer of the Factory Eqipment doubt the date of manufacture and the factory which produced it... He is mistaken, as I have one...
In the PHOTOS Section, I have placed the Schematic, the required Inductor ?, and it's description from the Manual, titled :
Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 Meter

Yes... Other methods of construction may be easier... If I had the electronics understanding... Sorry, I do not.
I began to search for components, and it seems I can still find them, although they are from 1978... I assume I would be using parts from that era of manufacture... Seems 1N67A  Diodes are not that plentiful though ??? No, I am not looking to re-engineer the circuit to use more modern parts... Far beyond my capabilities... I cannot even determine which construction methods the parts should be... Resistors... Carbon Composition, Carbon Film, Metal Oxide ???
Capacitors used ??? I HAVE NO CLUE...
The "Ferroxcube"ferrite form needed to wind the inductor is still available, although it now has a new part designation number, I have been informed...
Actually, perhaps more than ONE of these I would like made... I would like to offer the other person I found who also has a Meter, MINUS the Remote Sensor, a completed Sensor Circuit Board... I do not believe I will find more people, minus the Meter's Sensor, but who knows ???

Bill




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@...> wrote:
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>
> It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@> wrote:
> >
> > herpsrwe wrote:
> > 
> >  > Hi All ,
> > 
> >  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> > 
> >  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
> >  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
> >  > dozen and a half components.
> >  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
> >  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
> >  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
> >  > been closed for a number of years.
> >  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
> >  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
> >  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
> >  > order to enable me to construct one...
> >  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
> >  > Thanks in advance for your time,
> > 
> > Since you only want to make 1,
> > why not construct it using a plug board.
> > 
> >  > Bill
> > 
> > Duane
> > 
> > -- 
> >      Home of the $35 Solar Tracker      Receiver
> >     http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm      [*]
> >    Powered by             \  \     \        //|
> >   Thermonuclear   Solar Energy from the Sun / |
> > Energy (the SUN)           \  \     \  /  /  |
> > Red Rock Energy             \  \     /   /   |
> > Duane C. Johnson   Designer  \  \  /  \ /    |
> > 1825 Florence St  Heliostat,Control,& Mounts |
> > White Bear Lake, Minnesota    === \   / \    |
> > USA      55110-3364                ===   \   |
> > (651)426-4766        use Courier New Font \  |
> > redrok@     (my email: address)  \ |
> > http://www.redrok.com  (Web site)          ===
> >
>

Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-18 by AlienRelics

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@...> wrote:
>
> herpsrwe wrote:
> 
>  > Hi All ,
> 
>  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> 
>  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
>  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
>  > dozen and a half components.
....


> Since you only want to make 1,
> why not construct it using a plug board.
> 
>  > Bill
> 
> Duane
> 

I've seen the schematic, it is the sensor head for an SWR meter. If you mean a protoboard, those are not well suited to RF work due to the rather high capacitance between strips.

And I think he wants something permanent that he can place inside a box that he will construct.

I think what he's hoping for is someone who can, with the knowledge they already have, turn the schematics into real parts and a PCB. The schematics and drawings are in the Photos area of Electronics_101 under his Yahoo ID, herpsrwe. Click on "original size" to see them clearly.

Steve Greenfield AE7HD

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-18 by Harvey White

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:34:27 -0000, you wrote:

>I apologise for my lack of electronics knowledge...
>The reason I am here...
>
>I am in the USA, in Massachusetts.
>
>The circuit design is circa 1978. Through hole construction, I assume.
>The number of layers, I have no clue, due to my lack of electronics knowledge.

That dates it, and allows you to use more or less modern parts, except
for the tubes and sockets.
>
>Yes, I visited Express PCB ? website... I believe it was and viewed schematic creation software, PCB Design software... Prices, etc...
>I had no desire to spend hundreds of hours working both programs in order to attempt to accomplish the feat. I admit, it is beyond my capabilities... I am a Metal Fabricator / Welder by trade... Not an electronics technician... I am a Communications Radio Operator at a hobbyist level... Not a radio technician. I was unable to get other's attention regarding this matter, in online radio groups...

You are asking for something a bit substantial, in a way.

>It appears that this piece of radio equipment could be considered rare, as I was only able to find one other person with one, who is also missing the same related piece of equipment... I even had a supposed Dealer of the Factory Eqipment doubt the date of manufacture and the factory which produced it... He is mistaken, as I have one...
>In the PHOTOS Section, I have placed the Schematic, the required Inductor ?, and it's description from the Manual, titled :
>Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 Meter
>

OK, this is a standard VSWR meter.  Unless you have a specific need
for this absolute piece of equipment, any commercially available VSWR
meter that will cover the frequencies of interest will work.  I'm
assuming ham bands, and quite frankly, anything made for CB use would
probably work well enough as is.  You have a dual meter (forward
power/reflected power) SWR bridge.  Pretty standard.

>Yes... Other methods of construction may be easier... If I had the electronics understanding... Sorry, I do not.
>I began to search for components, and it seems I can still find them, although they are from 1978... I assume I would be using parts from that era of manufacture... Seems 1N67A  Diodes are not that plentiful though ??? No, I am not looking to re-engineer the circuit to use more modern parts... Far beyond my capabilities... I cannot even determine which construction methods the parts should be... Resistors... Carbon Composition, Carbon Film, Metal Oxide ???

Metal oxide are not needed, carbon composition is ok, so is carbon
film.

The diodes in particular, 1N67's are going to be hard to get in the
original form, and generally silicon or shottkey will probably work
well enough, but RF is not my strong point here.

You could get a copy of the Radio Amateur's Handbook, and hopefully
the ARRL still has construction articles, and likely a PC board
pattern for a more modern unit.

>Capacitors used ??? I HAVE NO CLUE...

You're in trouble here, since you don't seem to know the parts and how
they are used.

>The "Ferroxcube"ferrite form needed to wind the inductor is still available, although it now has a new part designation number, I have been informed...
>Actually, perhaps more than ONE of these I would like made... I would like to offer the other person I found who also has a Meter, MINUS the Remote Sensor, a completed Sensor Circuit Board... I do not believe I will find more people, minus the Meter's Sensor, but who knows ???

The remote sensor is a commercially available item, I suspect.  You're
looking to have the sensor made, but that might be available, if the
meter you have matches the meter the commercial unit uses.  I'm
assuming you want the original meter to work rather than something
newer.....

Harvey
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>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@...> wrote:
>>
>> It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...
>> 
>> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@> wrote:
>> >
>> > herpsrwe wrote:
>> > 
>> >  > Hi All ,
>> > 
>> >  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
>> > 
>> >  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
>> >  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
>> >  > dozen and a half components.
>> >  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
>> >  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
>> >  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
>> >  > been closed for a number of years.
>> >  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
>> >  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
>> >  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
>> >  > order to enable me to construct one...
>> >  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
>> >  > Thanks in advance for your time,
>> > 
>> > Since you only want to make 1,
>> > why not construct it using a plug board.
>> > 
>> >  > Bill
>> > 
>> > Duane
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> >      Home of the $35 Solar Tracker      Receiver
>> >     http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm      [*]
>> >    Powered by             \  \     \        //|
>> >   Thermonuclear   Solar Energy from the Sun / |
>> > Energy (the SUN)           \  \     \  /  /  |
>> > Red Rock Energy             \  \     /   /   |
>> > Duane C. Johnson   Designer  \  \  /  \ /    |
>> > 1825 Florence St  Heliostat,Control,& Mounts |
>> > White Bear Lake, Minnesota    === \   / \    |
>> > USA      55110-3364                ===   \   |
>> > (651)426-4766        use Courier New Font \  |
>> > redrok@     (my email: address)  \ |
>> > http://www.redrok.com  (Web site)          ===
>> >
>>
>

Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-19 by herpsrwe

Tram / Diamond Corporation closed many years ago...
Parts are no longer available for the Meter or the Sensor...

Yes, I wish to have this particular meter functioning, to go along with mt Tram D201A 11 Meter 40 Channel AM / SSB Tube Type Transceiver.
Bot the radio and meter are from the same era and the same manufacturer. I am not a collector, so to speak... Just the radio I have had since new in 1978, so sentimental value and adding to the nostalgia was my intention...

I do not believe this is a standard type meter, at all... It is an automatic meter, requiring no work of the operator, turning a knob.
It actually has a United States Patent of it's own which can be read here : http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4249127.html

The Meter's Sensor was labeled " HFS-1 " by the factory and the Meter labeled ASM-1. The Meter will not work without the Sensor and vice versa...

Perhaps I am asking for too much... But none the less, it does not hurt to ask... Or does it ? 
The only thing I am hurting is my pride, having to embarass myself to ask. 

One has to start somewhere in any endeavor...

Bill

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:34:27 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I apologise for my lack of electronics knowledge...
> >The reason I am here...
> >
> >I am in the USA, in Massachusetts.
> >
> >The circuit design is circa 1978. Through hole construction, I assume.
> >The number of layers, I have no clue, due to my lack of electronics knowledge.
> 
> That dates it, and allows you to use more or less modern parts, except
> for the tubes and sockets.
> >
> >Yes, I visited Express PCB ? website... I believe it was and viewed schematic creation software, PCB Design software... Prices, etc...
> >I had no desire to spend hundreds of hours working both programs in order to attempt to accomplish the feat. I admit, it is beyond my capabilities... I am a Metal Fabricator / Welder by trade... Not an electronics technician... I am a Communications Radio Operator at a hobbyist level... Not a radio technician. I was unable to get other's attention regarding this matter, in online radio groups...
> 
> You are asking for something a bit substantial, in a way.
> 
> >It appears that this piece of radio equipment could be considered rare, as I was only able to find one other person with one, who is also missing the same related piece of equipment... I even had a supposed Dealer of the Factory Eqipment doubt the date of manufacture and the factory which produced it... He is mistaken, as I have one...
> >In the PHOTOS Section, I have placed the Schematic, the required Inductor ?, and it's description from the Manual, titled :
> >Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 Meter
> >
> 
> OK, this is a standard VSWR meter.  Unless you have a specific need
> for this absolute piece of equipment, any commercially available VSWR
> meter that will cover the frequencies of interest will work.  I'm
> assuming ham bands, and quite frankly, anything made for CB use would
> probably work well enough as is.  You have a dual meter (forward
> power/reflected power) SWR bridge.  Pretty standard.
> 
> >Yes... Other methods of construction may be easier... If I had the electronics understanding... Sorry, I do not.
> >I began to search for components, and it seems I can still find them, although they are from 1978... I assume I would be using parts from that era of manufacture... Seems 1N67A  Diodes are not that plentiful though ??? No, I am not looking to re-engineer the circuit to use more modern parts... Far beyond my capabilities... I cannot even determine which construction methods the parts should be... Resistors... Carbon Composition, Carbon Film, Metal Oxide ???
> 
> Metal oxide are not needed, carbon composition is ok, so is carbon
> film.
> 
> The diodes in particular, 1N67's are going to be hard to get in the
> original form, and generally silicon or shottkey will probably work
> well enough, but RF is not my strong point here.
> 
> You could get a copy of the Radio Amateur's Handbook, and hopefully
> the ARRL still has construction articles, and likely a PC board
> pattern for a more modern unit.
> 
> >Capacitors used ??? I HAVE NO CLUE...
> 
> You're in trouble here, since you don't seem to know the parts and how
> they are used.
> 
> >The "Ferroxcube"ferrite form needed to wind the inductor is still available, although it now has a new part designation number, I have been informed...
> >Actually, perhaps more than ONE of these I would like made... I would like to offer the other person I found who also has a Meter, MINUS the Remote Sensor, a completed Sensor Circuit Board... I do not believe I will find more people, minus the Meter's Sensor, but who knows ???
> 
> The remote sensor is a commercially available item, I suspect.  You're
> looking to have the sensor made, but that might be available, if the
> meter you have matches the meter the commercial unit uses.  I'm
> assuming you want the original meter to work rather than something
> newer.....
> 
> Harvey
> 
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@> wrote:
> >>
> >> It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...
> >> 
> >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > herpsrwe wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >  > Hi All ,
> >> > 
> >> >  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> >> > 
> >> >  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
> >> >  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
> >> >  > dozen and a half components.
> >> >  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
> >> >  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
> >> >  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
> >> >  > been closed for a number of years.
> >> >  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
> >> >  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
> >> >  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
> >> >  > order to enable me to construct one...
> >> >  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
> >> >  > Thanks in advance for your time,
> >> > 
> >> > Since you only want to make 1,
> >> > why not construct it using a plug board.
> >> > 
> >> >  > Bill
> >> > 
> >> > Duane
> >> > 
> >> > -- 
> >> >      Home of the $35 Solar Tracker      Receiver
> >> >     http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm      [*]
> >> >    Powered by             \  \     \        //|
> >> >   Thermonuclear   Solar Energy from the Sun / |
> >> > Energy (the SUN)           \  \     \  /  /  |
> >> > Red Rock Energy             \  \     /   /   |
> >> > Duane C. Johnson   Designer  \  \  /  \ /    |
> >> > 1825 Florence St  Heliostat,Control,& Mounts |
> >> > White Bear Lake, Minnesota    === \   / \    |
> >> > USA      55110-3364                ===   \   |
> >> > (651)426-4766        use Courier New Font \  |
> >> > redrok@     (my email: address)  \ |
> >> > http://www.redrok.com  (Web site)          ===
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-19 by smilingcat90254

Okay I'll bite. :) Hope your manly ego isn't hurt... Me female.

If the design is from 1978 for HAM radio most likely the board is two sided. Very unlikely that it is a multi-layer board.

What is it exactly are you wanting? Replacement sensor? or meter of some kind? SWR meter, PWR meter ??? 27Mhz region (hey this is  CB band). or is it something else AM %modulation?? 

If you can give me some idea, I can ask more questions to narrow down what you really need or want or help you with figuring out what needs fixing. 

sincerely,

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "herpsrwe" <herpsrwe@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Tram / Diamond Corporation closed many years ago...
> Parts are no longer available for the Meter or the Sensor...
> 
> Yes, I wish to have this particular meter functioning, to go along with mt Tram D201A 11 Meter 40 Channel AM / SSB Tube Type Transceiver.
> Bot the radio and meter are from the same era and the same manufacturer. I am not a collector, so to speak... Just the radio I have had since new in 1978, so sentimental value and adding to the nostalgia was my intention...
> 
> I do not believe this is a standard type meter, at all... It is an automatic meter, requiring no work of the operator, turning a knob.
> It actually has a United States Patent of it's own which can be read here : http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4249127.html
> 
> The Meter's Sensor was labeled " HFS-1 " by the factory and the Meter labeled ASM-1. The Meter will not work without the Sensor and vice versa...
> 
> Perhaps I am asking for too much... But none the less, it does not hurt to ask... Or does it ? 
> The only thing I am hurting is my pride, having to embarass myself to ask. 
> 
> One has to start somewhere in any endeavor...
> 
> Bill
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:34:27 -0000, you wrote:
> > 
> > >I apologise for my lack of electronics knowledge...
> > >The reason I am here...
> > >
> > >I am in the USA, in Massachusetts.
> > >
> > >The circuit design is circa 1978. Through hole construction, I assume.
> > >The number of layers, I have no clue, due to my lack of electronics knowledge.
> > 
> > That dates it, and allows you to use more or less modern parts, except
> > for the tubes and sockets.
> > >
> > >Yes, I visited Express PCB ? website... I believe it was and viewed schematic creation software, PCB Design software... Prices, etc...
> > >I had no desire to spend hundreds of hours working both programs in order to attempt to accomplish the feat. I admit, it is beyond my capabilities... I am a Metal Fabricator / Welder by trade... Not an electronics technician... I am a Communications Radio Operator at a hobbyist level... Not a radio technician. I was unable to get other's attention regarding this matter, in online radio groups...
> > 
> > You are asking for something a bit substantial, in a way.
> > 
> > >It appears that this piece of radio equipment could be considered rare, as I was only able to find one other person with one, who is also missing the same related piece of equipment... I even had a supposed Dealer of the Factory Eqipment doubt the date of manufacture and the factory which produced it... He is mistaken, as I have one...
> > >In the PHOTOS Section, I have placed the Schematic, the required Inductor ?, and it's description from the Manual, titled :
> > >Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 Meter
> > >
> > 
> > OK, this is a standard VSWR meter.  Unless you have a specific need
> > for this absolute piece of equipment, any commercially available VSWR
> > meter that will cover the frequencies of interest will work.  I'm
> > assuming ham bands, and quite frankly, anything made for CB use would
> > probably work well enough as is.  You have a dual meter (forward
> > power/reflected power) SWR bridge.  Pretty standard.
> > 
> > >Yes... Other methods of construction may be easier... If I had the electronics understanding... Sorry, I do not.
> > >I began to search for components, and it seems I can still find them, although they are from 1978... I assume I would be using parts from that era of manufacture... Seems 1N67A  Diodes are not that plentiful though ??? No, I am not looking to re-engineer the circuit to use more modern parts... Far beyond my capabilities... I cannot even determine which construction methods the parts should be... Resistors... Carbon Composition, Carbon Film, Metal Oxide ???
> > 
> > Metal oxide are not needed, carbon composition is ok, so is carbon
> > film.
> > 
> > The diodes in particular, 1N67's are going to be hard to get in the
> > original form, and generally silicon or shottkey will probably work
> > well enough, but RF is not my strong point here.
> > 
> > You could get a copy of the Radio Amateur's Handbook, and hopefully
> > the ARRL still has construction articles, and likely a PC board
> > pattern for a more modern unit.
> > 
> > >Capacitors used ??? I HAVE NO CLUE...
> > 
> > You're in trouble here, since you don't seem to know the parts and how
> > they are used.
> > 
> > >The "Ferroxcube"ferrite form needed to wind the inductor is still available, although it now has a new part designation number, I have been informed...
> > >Actually, perhaps more than ONE of these I would like made... I would like to offer the other person I found who also has a Meter, MINUS the Remote Sensor, a completed Sensor Circuit Board... I do not believe I will find more people, minus the Meter's Sensor, but who knows ???
> > 
> > The remote sensor is a commercially available item, I suspect.  You're
> > looking to have the sensor made, but that might be available, if the
> > meter you have matches the meter the commercial unit uses.  I'm
> > assuming you want the original meter to work rather than something
> > newer.....
> > 
> > Harvey
> > 
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...
> > >> 
> > >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > herpsrwe wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> >  > Hi All ,
> > >> > 
> > >> >  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> > >> > 
> > >> >  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
> > >> >  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
> > >> >  > dozen and a half components.
> > >> >  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
> > >> >  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
> > >> >  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
> > >> >  > been closed for a number of years.
> > >> >  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
> > >> >  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
> > >> >  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
> > >> >  > order to enable me to construct one...
> > >> >  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
> > >> >  > Thanks in advance for your time,
> > >> > 
> > >> > Since you only want to make 1,
> > >> > why not construct it using a plug board.
> > >> > 
> > >> >  > Bill
> > >> > 
> > >> > Duane
> > >> > 
> > >> > -- 
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-19 by Kevin Impson

Hi Bill,

My father was a analog man and as such I learned analog before digital... he always said, "If you know how to do it in analog, then you know it." After that I learn Comm/Telecom and Digital together. Had my 'extra' class license at age 16. I have built, bought, fixed, and rebuilt and repaired multiple type's of radio gear.

So, if you want email the schematics and whatever else you have and I'll see what I can do for you.

Send it off list to wizard "at" cyberwave "dot" us

Kevin I.




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 From: herpsrwe <herpsrwe@...>
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?
 

  
Tram / Diamond Corporation closed many years ago...
Parts are no longer available for the Meter or the Sensor...

Yes, I wish to have this particular meter functioning, to go along with mt Tram D201A 11 Meter 40 Channel AM / SSB Tube Type Transceiver.
Bot the radio and meter are from the same era and the same manufacturer. I am not a collector, so to speak... Just the radio I have had since new in 1978, so sentimental value and adding to the nostalgia was my intention...

I do not believe this is a standard type meter, at all... It is an automatic meter, requiring no work of the operator, turning a knob.
It actually has a United States Patent of it's own which can be read here : http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4249127.html

The Meter's Sensor was labeled " HFS-1 " by the factory and the Meter labeled ASM-1. The Meter will not work without the Sensor and vice versa...

Perhaps I am asking for too much... But none the less, it does not hurt to ask... Or does it ? 
The only thing I am hurting is my pride, having to embarass myself to ask. 

One has to start somewhere in any endeavor...

Bill

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:34:27 -0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I apologise for my lack of electronics knowledge...
> >The reason I am here...
> >
> >I am in the USA, in Massachusetts.
> >
> >The circuit design is circa 1978. Through hole construction, I assume.
> >The number of layers, I have no clue, due to my lack of electronics knowledge.
> 
> That dates it, and allows you to use more or less modern parts, except
> for the tubes and sockets.
> >
> >Yes, I visited Express PCB ? website... I believe it was and viewed schematic creation software, PCB Design software... Prices, etc...
> >I had no desire to spend hundreds of hours working both programs in order to attempt to accomplish the feat. I admit, it is beyond my capabilities... I am a Metal Fabricator / Welder by trade... Not an electronics technician... I am a Communications Radio Operator at a hobbyist level... Not a radio technician. I was unable to get other's attention regarding this matter, in online radio groups...
> 
> You are asking for something a bit substantial, in a way.
> 
> >It appears that this piece of radio equipment could be considered rare, as I was only able to find one other person with one, who is also missing the same related piece of equipment... I even had a supposed Dealer of the Factory Eqipment doubt the date of manufacture and the factory which produced it... He is mistaken, as I have one...
> >In the PHOTOS Section, I have placed the Schematic, the required Inductor ?, and it's description from the Manual, titled :
> >Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 Meter
> >
> 
> OK, this is a standard VSWR meter.  Unless you have a specific need
> for this absolute piece of equipment, any commercially available VSWR
> meter that will cover the frequencies of interest will work.  I'm
> assuming ham bands, and quite frankly, anything made for CB use would
> probably work well enough as is.  You have a dual meter (forward
> power/reflected power) SWR bridge.  Pretty standard.
> 
> >Yes... Other methods of construction may be easier... If I had the electronics understanding... Sorry, I do not.
> >I began to search for components, and it seems I can still find them, although they are from 1978... I assume I would be using parts from that era of manufacture... Seems 1N67A  Diodes are not that plentiful though ??? No, I am not looking to re-engineer the circuit to use more modern parts... Far beyond my capabilities... I cannot even determine which construction methods the parts should be... Resistors... Carbon Composition, Carbon Film, Metal Oxide ???
> 
> Metal oxide are not needed, carbon composition is ok, so is carbon
> film.
> 
> The diodes in particular, 1N67's are going to be hard to get in the
> original form, and generally silicon or shottkey will probably work
> well enough, but RF is not my strong point here.
> 
> You could get a copy of the Radio Amateur's Handbook, and hopefully
> the ARRL still has construction articles, and likely a PC board
> pattern for a more modern unit.
> 
> >Capacitors used ??? I HAVE NO CLUE...
> 
> You're in trouble here, since you don't seem to know the parts and how
> they are used.
> 
> >The "Ferroxcube"ferrite form needed to wind the inductor is still available, although it now has a new part designation number, I have been informed...
> >Actually, perhaps more than ONE of these I would like made... I would like to offer the other person I found who also has a Meter, MINUS the Remote Sensor, a completed Sensor Circuit Board... I do not believe I will find more people, minus the Meter's Sensor, but who knows ???
> 
> The remote sensor is a commercially available item, I suspect.  You're
> looking to have the sensor made, but that might be available, if the
> meter you have matches the meter the commercial unit uses.  I'm
> assuming you want the original meter to work rather than something
> newer.....
> 
> Harvey
> 
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "tda7000" <Tda7000@> wrote:
> >>
> >> It would probably help if you gave more information, like what country you are in and more details of the PCB you want, how many layers, what kind of components (TH or SMD) etc...
> >> 
> >> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Duane C. Johnson" <redrok@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > herpsrwe wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >  > Hi All ,
> >> > 
> >> >  > Does anyone here make PCB Boards for others ?
> >> > 
> >> >  > I have a one time need for a PCB for a piece of vintage
> >> >  > radio communications equipment. The PCB would contain a
> >> >  > dozen and a half components.
> >> >  > If anyone wishes to discuss it, contact me and I will
> >> >  > provide the schematic I was able to obtain.
> >> >  > The item was manufactured in 1978 and the factory has
> >> >  > been closed for a number of years.
> >> >  > It took me months scattered throughout the internet to
> >> >  > obtain the information necessary to construct one...
> >> >  > I do not wish to spend years to gain the knowledge in
> >> >  > order to enable me to construct one...
> >> >  > I would rather trust someone experienced...
> >> >  > Thanks in advance for your time,
> >> > 
> >> > Since you only want to make 1,
> >> > why not construct it using a plug board.
> >> > 
> >> >  > Bill
> >> > 
> >> > Duane
> >> > 
> >> > -- 
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Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by herpsrwe

Thanks.

I am looking for a good woman who cooks, cleans and has electronic test gear. Please send photos of test gear.

As stated in a previous post, I placed a photo I gathered on the internet, a Schematic, the required Inductor, and a Page from the Manual in the PHOTOS Section titled Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 SWR / RF Meter.
I purchased the Meter and the Sensor was not present. I need to construct a Sensor. The factory has been closed for many years and parts no longer available. The equipment got seperated at an Estate Sale, as often is the case. I know there are 2 Sensors out there somewhere, as I was contacted by another fellow who read my post in another online group also has, just the Meter. The Meter will not function without the Sensor and vice versa. The Sensor was labeled HFS-1 at the factory.
People say the Meter is just a standard meter... I cannot agree as it has it's own United States Patent.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4249127.html


Bill    Massachusetts, USA


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "smilingcat90254" <smilingcat@...> wrote:
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>
> Okay I'll bite. :) Hope your manly ego isn't hurt... Me female.
> 
> If the design is from 1978 for HAM radio most likely the board is two sided. Very unlikely that it is a multi-layer board.
> 
> What is it exactly are you wanting? Replacement sensor? or meter of some kind? SWR meter, PWR meter ??? 27Mhz region (hey this is  CB band). or is it something else AM %modulation?? 
> 
> If you can give me some idea, I can ask more questions to narrow down what you really need or want or help you with figuring out what needs fixing. 
> 
> sincerely,
> 
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by Peter Johansson

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM, herpsrwe <herpsrwe@...> wrote:


> As stated in a previous post, I placed a photo I gathered on the internet,
> a Schematic, the required Inductor, and a Page from the Manual in the
> PHOTOS Section titled Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 SWR / RF Meter.


Is there something special about this piece of equipment?  Do you have a
particular need for vintage equipment?

You could probably purchase a new meter for less than it would cost to get
this one working and calibrated.

-p.


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Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by smilingcat90254

I went to the photo page. The schematic is what you are calling to be the sensor I take it. Most everything is straight forward except for the toroidal inductor. drawings and photos are not readable enough for me to figure out exactly. 

The big problem is with the toroidal core. Material and dimension matters!! You may not be able to acquire the core. Did it call for Ferroxcube core? If it is, the company is still around and doing quite well. Can't make the part number or its construction on page 3. Yo may not be able to order directly but you should be able to find it at digikey.con or mouser.com Also check with your ham group/forum.

The circuit is simple enough that you could get a perforated prototype board with pads (http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8029/V2025-ND/1886431). Then mount the component, solder the components, and do a point to point solder connection.

Two other parts which are going to be a problem are the two feedthru caps at the bottom. The trimmer capacitor shouldn't be too hard to obtain. The trimming capacitor on the upper left hand side is probably a mica based. Again ask around on your Ham group/forum on where to get such a thing. Modern electronics have moved away from using such a thing. New designs use active filters, more precise, stable and easier to tune.

You definitely don't need a PCB made for this. The frequency also doesn't require to have a controlled impedance, so no worries there on how you wire the thing up (umm as long as you don't loop your hookup wires)

Go to Ferroxcube and see if they still have the core. If they have it, just follow the instruction on the inductor note, build it exactly, then wire it up according to the schematic on the first page.

Once you build it, you will need to tune it (adjust the trimming caps), and calibrate it.

The circuit is fairly standard, so you might be able to find similar thing in ARRL handbook. It's got tone of good stuff.

sincerely,


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Peter Johansson <rockets4kids@...> wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM, herpsrwe <herpsrwe@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > As stated in a previous post, I placed a photo I gathered on the internet,
> > a Schematic, the required Inductor, and a Page from the Manual in the
> > PHOTOS Section titled Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 SWR / RF Meter.
> 
> 
> Is there something special about this piece of equipment?  Do you have a
> particular need for vintage equipment?
> 
> You could probably purchase a new meter for less than it would cost to get
> this one working and calibrated.
> 
> -p.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by Norm

There is nothing magic about this circuit!  It is a duplicate of the one 
in *_QST_*, December, 1969 pg. 11, or the 1970 *_Radio Amateur's 
Handbook_*, pp. 557-558 - which also gives the calibration procedure.  
I've built several of these over the years - used just any ferrite 
toroid core available that would pass the co-ax through the center - 
you're going to have to calibrate it anyway.  Any trimmer cap will work 
- ceramic, mica or air dielectric - just keep it small and use the 
shortest possible leads.  Diodes? 1N34 from Radio Shack will work - in 
fact they're called for in the reference articles.  If you can't find 
the feedthru caps, pass a wire through a hole in the shielding, and 
bypass on the side away from the RF section.  The only reason to 
slavishly follow the pictures is if you are doing a restoration for 
complete authenticity.  Put the works inside a box that resembles the 
original, and who (besides yourself) will know the difference?

The magazine or  book should be available from larger libraries - maybe 
on eBay - or from members of your local radio club.  If you are 
desperate, contact me off-list  and I'll e-mail you the two pages.

Norm
W6NIM


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by Norm

Closer inspection - they're not EXACT duplicates - minor circuit 
modifications one way or the other, but they both work on the same 
principle.  Comments below still apply.

Norm
W6NIM

On 11/19/2012 11:37 PM, Norm wrote:
>
> There is nothing magic about this circuit! It is a duplicate of the one
> in *_QST_*, December, 1969 pg. 11, or the 1970 *_Radio Amateur's
> Handbook_*, pp. 557-558 - which also gives the calibration procedure.
> I've built several of these over the years - used just any ferrite
> toroid core available that would pass the co-ax through the center -
> you're going to have to calibrate it anyway. Any trimmer cap will work
> - ceramic, mica or air dielectric - just keep it small and use the
> shortest possible leads. Diodes? 1N34 from Radio Shack will work - in
> fact they're called for in the reference articles. If you can't find
> the feedthru caps, pass a wire through a hole in the shielding, and
> bypass on the side away from the RF section. The only reason to
> slavishly follow the pictures is if you are doing a restoration for
> complete authenticity. Put the works inside a box that resembles the
> original, and who (besides yourself) will know the difference?
>
> The magazine or book should be available from larger libraries - maybe
> on eBay - or from members of your local radio club. If you are
> desperate, contact me off-list and I'll e-mail you the two pages.
>
> Norm
> W6NIM
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by Duane C. Johnson

Norm wrote:
> QST_*, December, 1969 pg. 11,

More clues:
D. /DeMaw/, \ufffd/In-Line RF Power Metering/,\ufffd QST, Dec 1969

http://www.g0kla.com/600WAmp/600wAmp.php

Duane

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Anyone make PCB for others ?

2012-11-20 by D. Daniel McGlothin

Bill,

In looking for something else, I found this $8 kit.  It will do all that 
your Tram sensor did, except work for the 200 or 2000 watts.  I 
recommend that you get this, build it, and then use it to test/exercise 
your indicator.  Then you can decide if you want to "restore" the 
complete SWR meter.

http://www.kitsandparts.com/bridge.php

The two connections between the remote sensor and the indicator are the 
FWD (Forward) and REV (also called REF or reflected) signals. As the 
indicator device is at heart a voltmeter, you can test this kit with a 
simple voltmeter, then connect it to your indicator device as see how 
that works.

It should let you know if the larger project of building the 2000 watt 
capable sensor is of interest or of necessity.

Daniel KB3MUN




On 11/20/2012 00:35, smilingcat90254 wrote:
>
> I went to the photo page. The schematic is what you are calling to be 
> the sensor I take it. Most everything is straight forward except for 
> the toroidal inductor. drawings and photos are not readable enough for 
> me to figure out exactly.
>
> The big problem is with the toroidal core. Material and dimension 
> matters!! You may not be able to acquire the core. Did it call for 
> Ferroxcube core? If it is, the company is still around and doing quite 
> well. Can't make the part number or its construction on page 3. Yo may 
> not be able to order directly but you should be able to find it at 
> digikey.con or mouser.com Also check with your ham group/forum.
>
> The circuit is simple enough that you could get a perforated prototype 
> board with pads 
> (http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8029/V2025-ND/1886431). Then 
> mount the component, solder the components, and do a point to point 
> solder connection.
>
> Two other parts which are going to be a problem are the two feedthru 
> caps at the bottom. The trimmer capacitor shouldn't be too hard to 
> obtain. The trimming capacitor on the upper left hand side is probably 
> a mica based. Again ask around on your Ham group/forum on where to get 
> such a thing. Modern electronics have moved away from using such a 
> thing. New designs use active filters, more precise, stable and easier 
> to tune.
>
> You definitely don't need a PCB made for this. The frequency also 
> doesn't require to have a controlled impedance, so no worries there on 
> how you wire the thing up (umm as long as you don't loop your hookup 
> wires)
>
> Go to Ferroxcube and see if they still have the core. If they have it, 
> just follow the instruction on the inductor note, build it exactly, 
> then wire it up according to the schematic on the first page.
>
> Once you build it, you will need to tune it (adjust the trimming 
> caps), and calibrate it.
>
> The circuit is fairly standard, so you might be able to find similar 
> thing in ARRL handbook. It's got tone of good stuff.
>
> sincerely,
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, Peter Johansson 
> <rockets4kids@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM, herpsrwe <herpsrwe@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > As stated in a previous post, I placed a photo I gathered on the 
> internet,
> > > a Schematic, the required Inductor, and a Page from the Manual in the
> > > PHOTOS Section titled Tram / Diamond Corp ASM-1 SWR / RF Meter.
> >
> >
> > Is there something special about this piece of equipment? Do you have a
> > particular need for vintage equipment?
> >
> > You could probably purchase a new meter for less than it would cost 
> to get
> > this one working and calibrated.
> >
> > -p.
>



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