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Bag it?

2012-08-21 by John

Well, I decided to make a simple proto type board, no fuss, no muss,
minimum effort.

Thomas Gootee put a imqage in the public domain around here somewhere.
Thanks!

The tray I usually use is a little short of the six inch board. I read
some where about etching in a plastic ZipLock bag for no mess, easy to
agitate, observe the process without opening it. Sounded great. The xyl
has some ZIPLOCK brand sandwich bags so I am on my way. I guess I see
too many TV commercials because it is slowly leaking on a side seam.
Good thing I am a pessimist and was wearing gloves, outside and working
on a glass dish...

de W8CCW John





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Re: Bag it?

2012-08-21 by Kevin Byrne

Pulsar Pro web sit talks about bagging the board. They have a pro way of laminateing. I doubt zip lock will stand up to etchant my self due to my experiences arround the house with bags. Good luck. I am building a heated, bubble tank for the future myself. Kevin

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Re: Bag it?

2012-08-21 by John

It worked well in spite of the seepage. As long as I wear gloves and work in a glass baking dish I think it will be standard operating procedure in my shop! I picked the board out of the bag with forceps and placed it on a paper towel to dry off the etchant. Very little waste, very easy cleanup. It is simple to examine the etching through the bag while it is in progress.

A side note: I used HP Presentation paper and soaked it off with warm water. It did not separate from the toner at all. I carefully peeled it off and lightly scrubbed it off with a nail brush. Enough of the paper stuck to the toner to give it a frosted look. It probably aided the process.

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
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> Well, I decided to make a simple proto type board, no fuss, no muss,
> minimum effort.
>
> Thomas Gootee put a imqage in the public domain around here somewhere.
> Thanks!
>
> The tray I usually use is a little short of the six inch board. I read
> some where about etching in a plastic ZipLock bag for no mess, easy to
> agitate, observe the process without opening it. Sounded great. The xyl
> has some ZIPLOCK brand sandwich bags so I am on my way. I guess I see
> too many TV commercials because it is slowly leaking on a side seam.
> Good thing I am a pessimist and was wearing gloves, outside and working
> on a glass dish...
>
> de W8CCW John
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?

2012-08-21 by Kevin Byrne

What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp. Design.
Best Kevin

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Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?





It worked well in spite of the seepage. As long as I wear gloves and work in a glass baking dish I think it will be standard operating procedure in my shop! I picked the board out of the bag with forceps and placed it on a paper towel to dry off the etchant. Very little waste, very easy cleanup. It is simple to examine the etching through the bag while it is in progress.

A side note: I used HP Presentation paper and soaked it off with warm water. It did not separate from the toner at all. I carefully peeled it off and lightly scrubbed it off with a nail brush. Enough of the paper stuck to the toner to give it a frosted look. It probably aided the process.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I decided to make a simple proto type board, no fuss, no muss,
> minimum effort.
>
> Thomas Gootee put a imqage in the public domain around here somewhere.
> Thanks!
>
> The tray I usually use is a little short of the six inch board. I read
> some where about etching in a plastic ZipLock bag for no mess, easy to
> agitate, observe the process without opening it. Sounded great. The xyl
> has some ZIPLOCK brand sandwich bags so I am on my way. I guess I see
> too many TV commercials because it is slowly leaking on a side seam.
> Good thing I am a pessimist and was wearing gloves, outside and working
> on a glass dish...
>
> de W8CCW John
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?

2012-08-21 by Stefan Trethan

That will be a wasted effort once you buy a laminator.
Ironing by hand is much more difficult to get consistently right.

You can make a laminator out of a laser printer or copy machine fuser
if you can figure out the mechanics and a temperature control.

ST

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Kevin Byrne <kbyrne10@...> wrote:
> What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp. Design.
> Best Kevin

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?

2012-08-21 by Kevin Byrne

Can that Printer devise be made with a HP brand lasar printer and if so where can I go to find help in figureing out costs, uses ect.?


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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?



That will be a wasted effort once you buy a laminator.
Ironing by hand is much more difficult to get consistently right.

You can make a laminator out of a laser printer or copy machine fuser
if you can figure out the mechanics and a temperature control.

ST

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Kevin Byrne <kbyrne10@...> wrote:
> What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp. Design.
> Best Kevin



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Re: Bag it?

2012-08-22 by John

The iron is from another hobby of mine, model airplanes. We use a small
iron to put on plastic covering. I run it very hot, well over 350F as
measured with my thermometer which is sold to put on the top of wood
burning stoves.

The thermometer costs less than $5 at hardware/home/improvement stores.

The iron is available from hobby shops or online Tower Hobbies or
Horizon Hobbies for a little over $20. The sole plate is replacable and
they will not take excessive force from the handle. When you can see
through the paper to the toner you have applied enough heat & pressure
to that spot. I held a steel ruler across half the sheet of
paper/pcboard sandwich until I got the first half done. It was not
neccessary to hold the paper for the second half, but I did the same
because I kept the work stationary. I did the ironing on a wood
workbench. An extra ruler is advised, it gets pretty hot. Too much
ironing makes the toner spread a little.

I will get the numbers from the HP paper and post them later.
I bought a GBC Laminator and so far it has not worked out. The one I
bought is limited to 0.040 throat capacity(1/32 PCboard required) and
all of the boards I had were 1/16" . Also, I felt the temperature was
too low. I will work on that problem later, but for now I just want a
few usable boards. I have not researched very far but measuring the hot
roll temperature accurately will be step one. I suspect a thermocouple
or two will be required. IR looked unstable and the temperature is too
high for IC's -- I think!)

I have no quarrel with the Pulsar products. I bought a kit from DigiKey
and the initial problem was that I waste too much paper in the printing
process. My printer will print on 3x5 index cards ok but cutting to
that size still wastes a fair amount of paper. 4x6 gives the same 4 to a
page efficiency. I also plan to return to trying photo paper. There is a
lot of convience with cost & availability.

It did not take me long to figure out that if I am going to Home Brew a
prototype board I don't drill any more holes than I have to.

Also, If the Radio Shack ProtoType boards were not of such poor quality
I would use at least a few of them. It takes a lot of skill to make
them work and the intended market is entry level. I suppose that is what
happens when the office staffers spec the technology products.

For now, this experiment is going well, but not well enough to keep me
from building an Arduino one a Plug ProtoType Board if I have the time
this afternoon!

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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Byrne <kbyrne10@...> wrote:
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> What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on
the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to
master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp.
Design.
> Best Kevin
>
> ________________________________
>

John Ferrell W8CCW@... <mailto:W8CCW@...>




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?

2012-08-22 by Kevin Byrne

That Pulsar was Advertised at a number of places like Web sites. I am a retired RC pilot and never considered that thought.I woman's iron will not work for me with bigger than the base of iron boards. Consider for your self looking into U-Tube for a minute. Put Positive developement into search, buy a 100w heat lamp bulb, two pieces of glass,
tupper ware at dollar store & make up fixture for 100w bulb to suit 12inches. over glass in dark room. Once you have all pieces of this price goes down. Just store away from kids due to glass being easy to break, sharp also. Look at Epson paper also.Might work with your devise and save you money over shop quality paper just like at work vers. home. Best Kevin


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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?




The iron is from another hobby of mine, model airplanes. We use a small
iron to put on plastic covering. I run it very hot, well over 350F as
measured with my thermometer which is sold to put on the top of wood
burning stoves.

The thermometer costs less than $5 at hardware/home/improvement stores.

The iron is available from hobby shops or online Tower Hobbies or
Horizon Hobbies for a little over $20. The sole plate is replacable and
they will not take excessive force from the handle. When you can see
through the paper to the toner you have applied enough heat & pressure
to that spot. I held a steel ruler across half the sheet of
paper/pcboard sandwich until I got the first half done. It was not
neccessary to hold the paper for the second half, but I did the same
because I kept the work stationary. I did the ironing on a wood
workbench. An extra ruler is advised, it gets pretty hot. Too much
ironing makes the toner spread a little.

I will get the numbers from the HP paper and post them later.
I bought a GBC Laminator and so far it has not worked out. The one I
bought is limited to 0.040 throat capacity(1/32 PCboard required) and
all of the boards I had were 1/16" . Also, I felt the temperature was
too low. I will work on that problem later, but for now I just want a
few usable boards. I have not researched very far but measuring the hot
roll temperature accurately will be step one. I suspect a thermocouple
or two will be required. IR looked unstable and the temperature is too
high for IC's -- I think!)

I have no quarrel with the Pulsar products. I bought a kit from DigiKey
and the initial problem was that I waste too much paper in the printing
process. My printer will print on 3x5 index cards ok but cutting to
that size still wastes a fair amount of paper. 4x6 gives the same 4 to a
page efficiency. I also plan to return to trying photo paper. There is a
lot of convience with cost & availability.

It did not take me long to figure out that if I am going to Home Brew a
prototype board I don't drill any more holes than I have to.

Also, If the Radio Shack ProtoType boards were not of such poor quality
I would use at least a few of them. It takes a lot of skill to make
them work and the intended market is entry level. I suppose that is what
happens when the office staffers spec the technology products.

For now, this experiment is going well, but not well enough to keep me
from building an Arduino one a Plug ProtoType Board if I have the time
this afternoon!

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Byrne <kbyrne10@...> wrote:
>
> What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on
the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to
master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp.
Design.
> Best Kevin
>
> ________________________________
>

John Ferrell W8CCW@... <mailto:W8CCW@...>

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Re: Bag it?

2012-08-25 by John

I have not been successful in finding the HP Number, it was on the paper wrap. It looks like I bought 500 sheets and I remember about $15 ay Office Depot. There are some choices and I would have selected the package marked "Presentation" and "Laser". The number may not have been the same as what was mentioned earlier on this site.


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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Byrne <kbyrne10@...> wrote:
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> What kind or iron did you use, how much heat and what is the number on the box of HP paper if I may ask a question? . I am some one trying to master iron on method before I invest in a laminator of Pulsar Pro Corp. Design.
> Best Kevin
>
> ________________________________
> From: John <jferrell13@...>
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:39 AM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Bag it?

Re: Bag it?

2012-09-02 by John

I found the brouchure that was included in the package. It says:

HP Color Laser Presentation Paper, 8.5 x 11", 32 lb.

The package I bought was 250 sheets. I do not see any unique part
number.



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> I have not been successful in finding the HP Number, it was on the
paper wrap. It looks like I bought 500 sheets and I remember about $15
ay Office Depot. There are some choices and I would have selected the
package marked "Presentation" and "Laser". The number may not have been
the same as what was mentioned earlier on this site.

Re: Bag it?

2012-09-02 by John

I found the brouchure that was included in the package. It says:

HP Color Laser Presentation Paper, 8.5 x 11", 32 lb.

The package I bought was 250 sheets. I do not see any unique part
number.



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--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jferrell13@...> wrote:
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> I have not been successful in finding the HP Number, it was on the
paper wrap. It looks like I bought 500 sheets and I remember about $15
ay Office Depot. There are some choices and I would have selected the
package marked "Presentation" and "Laser". The number may not have been
the same as what was mentioned earlier on this site.